Cormier actually beat Rumble twice and that too it was one sided both times. Due to his oblique kicks, reach advantage and excellent wrestling (think DC and Jones are equally good at wrestling), Jones should be able to win against Rumble.
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Brian Stann has just quit as a commentator. Not sure if that means Rogan has to get of his arse and start doing more events again or what.
Rogan is only ever going to dial it back further. He won't do extra.
Haven't seen kenny florian much, so maybe he will return to replace Stann
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Jon Jones stripped off title for testing positive for steroids.
Lifetime ban should be given to him. How many times is he going to cheat?
Lifetime ban should be given to him. How many times is he going to cheat?
Ah what the feck Jesus christ
Jones has finally ruined his legacy
FFS
Getting pretty embarrassing for the sport now.
Would be interesting to see what the story is. Apparently the title goes back to DC again. I'm done with the LHW division.
..."yet"
Ffs, its annoying and yeah, puts a big asterisk next to him now.
Ffs, its annoying and yeah, puts a big asterisk next to him now.
What an outrageous dickhead Jones truly is. I feel awful for Cormier, dirided as a paper champ for over a year and then kicked upside his head on the world stage, only to find out his nemesis was still a cheating scumbag. Jones has finally done it this time. He's surely finished.
Let's wait and see what the 2nd test shows.
Also, I doubt Jones wouldn't have been able to kick Cormier upside the head in either case. Cormier simply walked into that.
Even without the roids, I think Jones still takes down Cormier....her certainly walked into that kick.
I think you underestimate how much of an impact steroids have on athletic performance. Now consider that the conservative play is to cycle off well before the event so there is no chance of testing positive in competition. This was an in competition positive test. He's not only running on the super charged latent gains, but he has the NOS in his system during the fight. We're talking a massive increase in performance, sometimes as much as 25% in terms of raw strength.
It allows him to fight more aggressively, pushing a much harder pace. Now consider that DC was winning the last half of each round before he got head kick KO'd, and many people had him winning the fight based on aggression, controlling the pace of the fight and landing the more meaningful power shots/winning the end part of each round.
I'd confidently say that if Jones was juiced as the first test suggests, DC walks through un-enhanced Jones.
Yes I know all about steroids. I think you're jumping to all sorts of conclusions with virtually no information. And if you watched the fight, it was very close until Jones caught DC with the leg kick, which lets face it, has feck all to do with steroids as everyone knows Jones has had the ability to leg kick people in the head for many years. DC just fecked up, which of course will be tarnished with this result.
Damn....this would've been amazing.
Look at Vitor though. When he was juiced up he was kicking people's heads off on his way to a title fight. When USADA came in the head kick's disappeared. I don't disagree that Jones has that weapon in his locker but I think being juiced has such an impact on the fight as a whole that it's not fair to say he would have kicked him in the head anyway. It's a totally different fight without it, so who knows what would happen. All we know is that Jones is a cheater (assuming the second test confirms it) and denied everyone that fair fight.
Vitor was on TRT and it was obvious by looking at his physique that he was benefiting from it, which is why they got rid of the TRT exemption. I saw no such similarities with Jones - neither his physique, muscle mass, or aggression. He was basically the Jones everyone has known over the years. I'm also a bit suspicious that he was alleged to have taken Turinabol, which is a pretty old school steroid that was popular in eastern europe many decades ago. Interested to see how the 2nd test goes before dusting off the old pitchfork.
He was eating ice cream the week of the fight and rockin a 6 pack. How has it had no effect on his physique? And maybe the person he's been over the years has been down to steroids? Maybe he tried to come off them vs OSP, realised that he's ordinary, then went back to the juice?
Genetics, choice of training, intensity and diet all still have to come together to look like Vitor. Plenty of fighters look like shite when they get busted for steroid use. As far as a aggression goes, how do you know we haven't seen him fighting off any gear?
Lets not act like this is Jones' first indiscretion either. He's a piece if sh!t, period. He keeps proving it over and over again, and if he was eastern European, he'd have booted out years ago and looking for fights on Rizin.
Tainted supplement, I'm 99% sure of it. He can't possibly have actually knowingly cheated, given all the shit before, can he?
I remember listening to this and laughing and now it seems it could be true, Sonnen is a great story teller.
Beggars belief.
There's no way what he tested positive for is in a supplement of any kind it's an old steroid (I'm surprised he's stupid enough to take it) and it was taken orally. He knew what it was.
It's a shame really that he popped but it doesn't really surprise me. I'm not of the belief that ALL the top MMA athletes are on steroids but I'm pretty sure plenty of them are. Jon is just stupid enough to get caught (twice.) JDS popped last week as well and there's obviously been an increase since the USADA era.
It's a massive blow for the UFC really, in the last 12 months they've now seemingly lost Rousey and Jones, they'll lose McGregor in the next couple year (maybe this weekend) and this weekend is probably some of the biggest exposure they'll ever get in this timeframe their second biggest draw has failed a drug test. It's poor for them really.
Cormier has been spot on from day one about Jones. It's also why I didn't buy a single word of his interview after that fight, his praise and nice words for DC sounded like a load of fake shit to try to portray himself as a changed and good man yet incredibly people brought into it yet again, continue to cheer him and for some bizarre reason boo a legit fighter like Cormier.
That division is completely fecked right now.
That division is completely fecked right now.
I can't fecking believe this.
EDIT: One of Jones' coaches thinks this is a set-up https://www.facebook.com/franklestermma/posts/10212233237540598
EDIT: One of Jones' coaches thinks this is a set-up https://www.facebook.com/franklestermma/posts/10212233237540598
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It was Wenger with his hitman/chef at it again 
Look a few posts up.
Just read about Jones... ffs
Now that we know it was between the weigh in and fight night, why would he take a steroid then? it really does sound strange.
If he tested clean through his whole camp and that was the only flag I would be pretty suspicious. Potential setup?
If he tested clean through his whole camp and that was the only flag I would be pretty suspicious. Potential setup?
i hope so
but probably not
this shite puts such a dampner on the sport for me.
I know some dont like the hype and some of the WWE style build ups. I love all that shit
But its this rubbish that will probably make me totally fall out with the sport eventually
Just even up the playing field by letting everyone juice. I bet the majority is using something anyway.
He probably messed up his cycle. I fail to believe someone would set him up, why would they?
Seems Jones just gets a bizarre pass for most things, I like watching him fight but looking from the outside in he seems either a stupid person or just reckless and ignorant to any kind of consequence.
MMA has a problem with PEDs there's no doubt about that but at least they're seemingly trying to clean up the sport somewhat. Doping will happen in all sports it's just going to be swept under the rug in others.
I use the logic plenty of them are doing it to be honest, even when people pop you never tend to get many of them overly critical of the person. A lot of the times they say it's unfortunate etc more than straight up criticise the opponent.
Yeah all these drug failures are really damaging the sport, same as Athletics. You just can't take a fight seriously if they're just going to get stripped weeks later and given back to the guy that lost.
Not sure what the answer is but maybe they need to be stronger on drugs cheats. If Jones can make a massive payday, be banned for 2 years then come back and steamroll somebody else, rinse and repeat it's not really a problem for him. I really do hope this is a mistake, but surely this should be the last straw for him no matter how good he is.
I think Chael Sonnen makes the best point when it comes to these things. He said he find it frustrating that people put such a negative spin on things and just criticize him about the stuff he failed for, rather than being positive and congratulating the fact there was so much stuff he got away with.