The MMA thread

Ponzinibbio is really good and has been flying under the radar for a while. 5 in a row for him now.

What a rough night for the home crowd. Jeez.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Wasn't a great fight, but you are wrong about calvillo

Only her 6th pro fight and she has shown a lot of variation in the 3 UFC outings I have seen her in
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Truth be told was playing xbix while watching but it looked like the Scot was getting the better of the other girl besides the two sub attempts at the end of Rd 1/3
 
Thought was a fun night of fights yesterday maybe helped that it was on at a decent time for us in the UK as well but did enjoy it.

The Ward KO was odd and he is ridiculously out of his depth. Artem is obviously in the UFC for being Conor's mate but at least he has some kind of ability (albeit not that standard of UFC fighters) but Ward was horrendous even before the weird KO. Rountree looked good vs. Craig who again I'd say isn't UFC quality at all really.

Cavillo probably the most impressive on the card as expected. She probably won 2 rounds to 1 and not 3-0 but I can see why some scored it like that. Jojo moaning in the Octagon at the end it looked like was weird but she does moan about most things from what I've seen in the past.
 
Silly Gunni, should have said something.

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That second one in the clip looks terrible. It looks like he's genuinely trying to poke him in the eye to feck his vision up, doesn't even look close to being accidental.
 
To bad about Gunni. That's what sports is like. Probably just not good/smart enough to be a champion.
 
Looks like Brock is back and fighting in December.
holy crap, we could have Conor and Brock on the same card
 
Jones tossing an unconscious Machida to the ground is an iconic moment in UFC.
I remember prime Machida when nobody could figure him out and then Jon does that to him.
 
Anyone watching the contender series on Tuesdays?

the kid signed this week looks like an interesting prospect.

too bad Thanh Le didn't make the cut
 
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Raoul said:
Mighty Mouse vs The Borg at UFC 215

(also Nunes/Shevchenko)

https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/7/...nunes-vs-valentina-shevchenko-set-for-ufc-215
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:lol:

That'll do terrible numbers surely Dana's way of pissing both DJ and Nunes off. Then again he'll say he proved himself right about DJ if it does awful numbers and make out DJ vs. TJ would of done millions of buys.

I agree with the UFC sentiment that smaller fighters can struggle to draw but they REALLY need to promote them better across the board. Except Conor and Jones they've got no current fighters who are capable of doing big numbers.
 
Mighty Mouse's biggest problem(s) are: 1) He's too good, and unless he plays heel, his fights are all forgone conclusions with nobody really caring if he wins or loses, but all knowing he's going to win anyway. 2) He has no rivals or bitter enemies, so no narrative can be built to hype a fight with him and another party who is popular in his own right.

Him fighting TJ would be forced and awkward and a little bit unfair given he'll have to fight at an unnatural weight that might not be representative of him or his ability if he loses the natural assets that benefit and enable him to be so dominant in his own class.

It's not so much that the smaller fighters are harder to promote, it's that the bigger personalities who are larger than life, are rarely to be found in divisions where fighters are so much more reliant on technical excellence to get by.
 
Fortitude said:
Mighty Mouse's biggest problem(s) are: 1) He's too good, and unless he plays heel, his fights are all forgone conclusions with nobody really caring if he wins or loses, but all knowing he's going to win anyway. 2) He has no rivals or bitter enemies, so no narrative can be built to hype a fight with him and another party who is popular in his own right.

Him fighting TJ would be forced and awkward and a little bit unfair given he'll have to fight at an unnatural weight that might not be representative of him or his ability if he loses the natural assets that benefit and enable him to be so dominant in his own class.

It's not so much that the smaller fighters are harder to promote, it's that the bigger personalities who are larger than life, are rarely to be found in divisions where fighters are so much more reliant on technical excellence to get by.
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Yeah true. The dilemma is it's basically become a 1 man division, no one at his current weight will beat him, the most interesting fight was TJ coming down to fight him but it hasn't happened yet and it genuinely would be an interesting story they could potentially sell as it's one of the best ever vs. an ex champion, it would be a close fight. Ray Borg isn't beating DJ (he'll probably miss weight) so no one is arsed about the fight or the division. Out of all the current contenders minus TJ the best fighter in the division is Benavidez and he's beat him twice.

The TJ stuff would of been TJ coming down in weight as well not him going up. He struggled vs. Cruz years ago with the size difference in that division.

I think smaller fighters can have personalities, Garbrandt, TJ and Cruz all have them and are only 1 division higher, in boxing the likes of Frampton, Rigo, Lomachenko all have them and are known. Even DJ has one with his gaming stuff albeit it's a bit niche. You're always getting boring fighters not all of them will be entertaining personalities but the UFC does need to expand a bit on the promotion of their fighters. Conor isn't going to be around forever.

I think that MMA still being relatively "new" in terms of a mainstream sport doesn't help him at the moment. You'll still have the traditional original fans who heavyweight and higher weight classes will always be king and the lower weight classes will get underappreciated. Boxing has the advantage of it being around for so long that mentality has gone now.
 
Oggmonster said:
Yeah true. The dilemma is it's basically become a 1 man division, no one at his current weight will beat him, the most interesting fight was TJ coming down to fight him but it hasn't happened yet and it genuinely would be an interesting story they could potentially sell as it's one of the best ever vs. an ex champion, it would be a close fight. Ray Borg isn't beating DJ (he'll probably miss weight) so no one is arsed about the fight or the division. Out of all the current contenders minus TJ the best fighter in the division is Benavidez and he's beat him twice.

The TJ stuff would of been TJ coming down in weight as well not him going up. He struggled vs. Cruz years ago with the size difference in that division.

I think smaller fighters can have personalities, Garbrandt, TJ and Cruz all have them and are only 1 division higher, in boxing the likes of Frampton, Rigo, Lomachenko all have them and are known. Even DJ has one with his gaming stuff albeit it's a bit niche. You're always getting boring fighters not all of them will be entertaining personalities but the UFC does need to expand a bit on the promotion of their fighters. Conor isn't going to be around forever.

I think that MMA still being relatively "new" in terms of a mainstream sport doesn't help him at the moment. You'll still have the traditional original fans who heavyweight and higher weight classes will always be king and the lower weight classes will get underappreciated. Boxing has the advantage of it being around for so long that mentality has gone now.
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Oops, my bad! Shows how much I'm following the story. I suppose it's then not fair on TJ as he's fighting underweight, then. Not a fan of cross-weight stuff unless the person going up or down is intending to stay there.

Oh there's no doubt the smaller guys can have personality, but I think it gets more infrequent as the fighters get smaller and more technical. I've got nothing concrete to support that, but my thinking is that it's a lot of KO kings who are the fighters presented with the most edge and talk the most smack about somebody they're fighting about to be K.O'd etc. and you get a lot less knockout artists in the lighter classes.

It took Silva being done and Jones falling from grace for MM to be acknowledged as a p4p contender, and I always thought that was because the threats he faced, apart from Dodson, carried so little threat of taking his head off that what he was doing wasn't appreciated in the same way. Silva and Jones faced fighters who could end the fight in an instant, and that is a fight-seller in and of itself. They can't work that angle at all for MM and it has gone against him in terms of acknowledgment and selling his fights for a long time. I'm sure if Jones wins vs Cormier, he'll once again be announced as p4p king without a moment's hesitation. Not saying he is or is not that, just that it won't even be with a pause for thought of what MM has done, that he is.
 
Surprised Almeida/Rivera isn't the co-main on this card, should be a great fight.

Very torn on the main event. Big fan of Gastelum since TUF, probably my favourite middleweight. At the same time I think Weidman is ridiculously unlucky to be on a three fight losing streak and love how he's been fighting the absolute best of the best in the division. Actually feels like one of the most 50/50 fights in a long time, really tough to call.
 
feck me

Natal admitted he had to look up his wiki page when he was offered the fight. He surely knows who he is now
 
Weidman needs to calm the feck down post fight. One win doesn't suddenly propel you to number one contender... who does he think he is? Connor McGregor?
 
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