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Pogue Mahone said:


So Conor's not apologising to fecking anyone. Will the people in this thread who doubted his talent be doing what he's refusing to do? :smirk:
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Nah instead of giving him any credit for even a day they'll whinge about held up divisions and how he takes the piss of everyone. What makes it even better is that he has made history and they'll probably dismiss it.

He's easily beat Alvarez and Aldo in big title fights, the guy deserves all the credit in the world. Great fighter, great night.
 
JP77 said:
Looking forward to McGregor now holding up a second division while avoiding credible challengers, fun times. Let's not get silly claiming he's one of the best ever either.

Good show, Joanna continues to look unbelievable and Thompson's heart was incredible. Gutted for Weidman.
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Bitter? Who exactly has he avoided?
 
Name Changed said:
Bitter? Who exactly has he avoided?
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He's not fighting Khabib, Ferguson or Aldo next week so is holding up divisions and avoiding challengers.

Avoiding challengers like Aldo, the pound for pound number 1 and unbeaten in 10 years. Or Alvarez the ex LW champion..
 
Name Changed said:
Bitter? Who exactly has he avoided?
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Why would I be bitter? There's nothing to be bitter about. I could have worded it better too. McGregor will go down in history, what I meant was that for me he hasn't proven he's among the absolute best fighters ever, for me at least. Can he? Time will tell. For me he's only beaten one truly top class opponent and that's Aldo, which just so happens to be the one fight where there's question marks over it due to the way it finished and the questions left over whether he could beat Aldo again.

McGregor is a very good fighter with potential to be great, I still want to see him against the likes of Ferguson, Khabib (wrestling vs. the striking), Aldo and so on.

Some of the people in this thread are an embarssment with their reactions at times to anybody who dares to question McGregor in any slight way. Check my history, I've never shit on McGregor, if anything it's worst in here from his fans who claim people are baiting and bitter whenever he's questioned. Sorry but I have zero desire to see this man hold up a second division. He refused to fight Aldo again and avoided credible challenger Edgar at 145 (IMO he beats Edgar). It wouldn't surprise me if he now refuses to fight Khabib and Ferguson at 155, two much more credible challengers than Alvarez who I stick by saying was a makeshift champion. I said this when this fight was made, it wouldn't surprise me one single bit if they both get passed up on and they make Diaz/McGregor 3 for the title.

Not everybody is bitter or a McGregor hater just for having a different opinion.
 
JP77 said:
Why would I be bitter? There's nothing to be bitter about. I could have worded it better too. McGregor will go down in history, what I meant was that for me he hasn't proven he's among the absolute best fighters ever, for me at least. Can he? Time will tell. For me he's only beaten one truly top class opponent and that's Aldo, which just so happens to be the one fight where there's question marks over it due to the way it finished and the questions left over whether he could beat Aldo again.

McGregor is a very good fighter with potential to be great, I still want to see him against the likes of Ferguson, Khabib (wrestling vs. the striking), Aldo and so on.

Some of the people in this thread are an embarssment with their reactions at times to anybody who dares to question McGregor in any slight way. Check my history, I've never shit on McGregor, if anything it's worst in here from his fans who claim people are baiting and bitter whenever he's questioned. Sorry but I have zero desire to see this man hold up a second division. He refused to fight Aldo again and avoided credible challenger Edgar at 145 (IMO he beats Edgar). It wouldn't surprise me if he now refuses to fight Khabib and Ferguson at 155, two much more credible challengers than Alvarez who I stick by saying was a makeshift champion. I said this when this fight was made, it wouldn't surprise me one single bit if they both get passed up on and they make Diaz/McGregor 3 for the title.

Not everybody is bitter or a McGregor hater just for having a different opinion.
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This McGregor stuff goes round in circles. You say you're not bitter or a McGregor hater or whatever and that's fine I believe you. However you then call people in an embarassment for liking him and thinking he's a great fighter? Part of debate is to offer an opinion and people will counter it.

People will question the Aldo decision but he still beat him, he still beat Mendes and he still beat Alvarez. All 3 are good fighters (1 is arguably one of the best ever.) I don't see why people are criticising Alvarez after the fact he isa legitimate good fighter. He beat RDA, Pettis and Melendez who are all ex world champions, he beat Chandler who would be highly ranked in the UFC roster. Maybe McGregor is just better than them all?

I don't think it's fair to say he avoids people either, he has never avoided any fight without a legitimate reason to do so. Who wouldn't fight for the LW championship and the chance to be a 2 weight world champion over a fight with Aldo? I think every fighter (including Aldo if roles were reversed) would do the same, it's cementing a legacy and he did that.

Can you clarify a make shift champion as well? Again it's not McGregor's problem who holds the belts, he beat and dominated RDA and was the rightful champion. Khabib was injured for about 2 years so was rightfully no where near the title scene as well.

I agree with your last statement for what it's worth. But can this thread not have a conversation about McGregor without either calling people embarrassments/johnny come latelys/clueless or whatever and equally calling people who may dislike him bitter? I'm guilty of it myself so will hold my hands up. But equally people who like McGregor are going to be happy as fans.
 
He has also fought at 3 different weight classes in 1 year. That is damn impressive and I could be wrong on this but I dont think many fighters have done that?
 
Oggmonster said:
This McGregor stuff goes round in circles. You say you're not bitter or a McGregor hater or whatever and that's fine I believe you. However you then call people in an embarassment for liking him and thinking he's a great fighter? Part of debate is to offer an opinion and people will counter it.

People will question the Aldo decision but he still beat him, he still beat Mendes and he still beat Alvarez. All 3 are good fighters (1 is arguably one of the best ever.) I don't see why people are criticising Alvarez after the fact he isa legitimate good fighter. He beat RDA, Pettis and Melendez who are all ex world champions, he beat Chandler who would be highly ranked in the UFC roster. Maybe McGregor is just better than them all?

I don't think it's fair to say he avoids people either, he has never avoided any fight without a legitimate reason to do so. Who wouldn't fight for the LW championship and the chance to be a 2 weight world champion over a fight with Aldo? I think every fighter (including Aldo if roles were reversed) would do the same, it's cementing a legacy and he did that.

Can you clarify a make shift champion as well? Again it's not McGregor's problem who holds the belts, he beat and dominated RDA and was the rightful champion. Khabib was injured for about 2 years so was rightfully no where near the title scene as well.

I agree with your last statement for what it's worth. But can this thread not have a conversation about McGregor without either calling people embarrassments/johnny come latelys/clueless or whatever and equally calling people who may dislike him bitter? I'm guilty of it myself so will hold my hands up. But equally people who like McGregor are going to be happy as fans.
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I'm not calling anybody an embarrassment for liking him or thinking he's a great fighter. I said that in regards to people calling others bitter or haters anytime they say anything about McGregor, to me that's just petty. I've got no reason to hate McGregor. I blow hot and cold on the guy all the time, sometimes I love what he does while at other times he annoys the shit out of me, I'd never let any of that cloud my judgement on him as a fighter though.

I want to see this guy go in there against the likes of fighters I mentioned so that he's challenged on the absolute best level. If this guy goes in there and does this to the likes of Khabib, Ferguson, Aldo again then how can you argue against him being an absolute great? You can't. Until he does that though I can't help but have certain question marks over him when it comes to putting him alongside a GSP or a Jones for example, guys who cleared out divisions in the most dominant way. I stick by what I said, he's beaten one truly great fighter in Aldo and I wanted to see them go at it again considering how it finishes with a flash KO inside 10 or so seconds. Alvarez and Diaz are good fighters, I don't see either as great fighters though. I said what I said about Alvarez as I still feel both Ferguson and Khabib would have beaten him, I felt like it was just a matter of time before he lost the title because he's not an elite fighter. That's not a dig at McGregor saying that, he went out there and dismantled Alvarez in brilliant style and earned the title.

Again, time will tell. McGregor might fight some of the guys above, he might defend the 155 title a few times, who knows. 155 has two legit contenders though, as the champion it'd be crazy if he doesn't fight one of those next unless he goes back down to 145, which I don't think he ever will again.
 
JP77 said:
I'm not calling anybody an embarrassment for liking him or thinking he's a great fighter. I said that in regards to people calling others bitter or haters anytime they say anything about McGregor, to me that's just petty. I've got no reason to hate McGregor. I blow hot and cold on the guy all the time, sometimes I love what he does while at other times he annoys the shit out of me, I'd never let any of that cloud my judgement on him as a fighter though.

I want to see this guy go in there against the likes of fighters I mentioned so that he's challenged on the absolute best level. If this guy goes in there and does this to the likes of Khabib, Ferguson, Aldo again then how can you argue against him being an absolute great? You can't. Until he does that though I can't help but have certain question marks over him when it comes to putting him alongside a GSP or a Jones for example, guys who cleared out divisions in the most dominant way. I stick by what I said, he's beaten one truly great fighter in Aldo and I wanted to see them go at it again considering how it finishes with a flash KO inside 10 or so seconds. Alvarez and Diaz are good fighters, I don't see either as great fighters though. I said what I said about Alvarez as I still feel both Ferguson and Khabib would have beaten him, I felt like it was just a matter of time before he lost the title because he's not an elite fighter. That's not a dig at McGregor saying that, he went out there and dismantled Alvarez in brilliant style and earned the title.

Again, time will tell. McGregor might fight some of the guys above, he might defend the 155 title a few times, who knows. 155 has two legit contenders though, as the champion it'd be crazy if he doesn't fight one of those next unless he goes back down to 145, which I don't think he ever will again.
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I don't disagree but go back a few pages (or more now the fight has happened) and people were getting their back up anytime someone dared be a fan of McGregor. The term "johnny come lately" came out loads, part time fans etc and are bad for the sport just because they had the audacity to look forward to a fight and not worry about MMA or UFC politics. There's absolutely nothing wrong with disliking McGregor the guy will divide opinion but to divide opinion people will like him and I'd argue in this thread people who like him are looking down on more so than people who don't who people largely just took the piss of a bit. A few pages back if youl iked him you were basically implied to be clueless about MMA.

Who knows who he fights next? He literally just won the title. Surely we can wait to see who he fights. I don't think he's up there with Jones or GSP either for what it's worth but I do think he's a very good fighter who seems to constantly be dismissed by detractors cos they don't like him as a person. Knocking Aldo out in 13 seconds is no easy job, beating Eddie Alvarez (who has beat some very good LW fighters) the way he did isn't easy. Sure he's hyped up by the UFC cos he puts money in their back pocket but he does back up what he does and he is a hugely entertaining fighter whilst doing it.

I hope he fights one of Khabib or Ferguson next. Aldo would be nice but I think he has potential for better fights at LW to be honest. I think Ferguson and Khabib are very interesting style fights. I doubted Khabib before tonight due to lack of many quality opponents but he looked very good tonight, if he stays fit then it will be interesting. It's hard though cos Ferguson really does deserve that shot.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Re "avoiding" fights. Has any other champion fought as regularly as McGregor has since he recovered from his knee surgery? I actually have no idea about the answer but he does seem to fight a lot more frequently than most.
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Not really, he's a very active fighter for someone who is his level. Anderson Silva used to fight pretty regularly but the gaps were (slightly) longer in between fights.
 
Where does this put McGregor on the all time list? He has only lost one fight since joining the UFC and it was to a much heavier guy. Also bear in mind that he was all over Diaz with his striking prior to gassing. I would suggest he has never been in much trouble in terms of damage taken since joining the UFC. In the Diaz fight he panicked and went for the takedown and the only other fighter to give him some trouble was Mendes, but again I don't think he was really in massive trouble in that fight.

This is a guy who took out the P4P number one in 13 seconds and then Alvarez in complete style. I am a huge McGregor fan but I must admit I did think he may struggle due to the additional size of the guy he was facing but I was completely wrong.

Also those who point out to his lack of ground game, to me in the Alvarez and Diaz fights his takedown defence has been really impressive. Anderson Silva is often seen as the greatest of all time and he was very much a stand up fighter, remember him getting dominated by Sonnen in their first fight, and Sonnen is hardly an elite level fighter (although I personally really like him). To me Conor doesn't really get the credit he deserves
 
For example. If any other champion except McGregor was doing what McGregor did, holding a whole division clogged (mind you Edgar, Aldo, Holloway are all legitimate contenders) without making a single title defense but instead fighting in higher weight classes without putting his belt on the line in process (yes his belt was not on the line, just RDA/Alvarez belt) do you think any other champion in UFC would get away with it without being stripped?
 
Fracture90 said:
For example. If any other champion except McGregor was doing what McGregor did, holding a whole division clogged (mind you Edgar, Aldo, Holloway are all legitimate contenders) without making a single title defense but instead fighting in higher weight classes without putting his belt on the line in process (yes his belt was not on the line, just RDA/Alvarez belt) do you think any other champion in UFC would get away with it without being stripped?
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No of course not

But none of them create a fraction of the revenue.

He is in this position where he can call the shots.
 
What a great card, that lived up to the hype. The pre-lims were great too (as has been mentioned, it could have been transferred to a main card and nobody would have complained).

Mcgregor made that easier than I thought he would. Thought he would win but not as convincingly as he did. I do think that loss to Nate was great for him though (as silly as it sounds).
 
Fracture90 said:
Than people can't really say he's one of the greatest if the same rules don't apply for everyone, right?
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I don't think he is greatest off all time.

I don't think anyone has said that. But he will have to go down as one of the greats. Sorry that's just the way it is.

He is a great fighter though who is more famous and has made more money for MMA than any fighter ever. He has also (with the help of Ronda) made the sport far more well known than it ever was.

He is the first ever dual champion and has finished nearly every opppnent Whilst been very active. I don't think he has ever dodged anyone. He simply looks for the money fight each time.

Also a rags to riches story if there ever was one. His UFC debut, less than 4 years ago and he didn't own a car and was on social welfare. It's nuts

When he is gone, and if I was him I wouldn't be staying around too much longer, he will have left an incredible significant legacy and inspired potential new fighters from all over the world.

It's not bad going I suppose.
 
Conor is a beast, just seems to be on a different level to everyone else. Looks so relaxed, which draws the fighters in then just knocks down.

UFC should just give him whatever he wants now, he has earned it
 
He's been getting what he wants for donkeys. Like Brock did. People who elevate the company to another level are catered for.

]Surely, the only fight you are getting in spring is Diaz 3. The absolute only fight I can see above it, money wise, which at this point is all that matters, is the daddy of all fights, with GSP.
 
Randall Flagg said:
I don't think he is greatest off all time.

I don't think anyone has said that. But he will have to go down as one of the greats. Sorry that's just the way it is.

He is a great fighter though who is more famous and has made more money for MMA than any fighter ever. He has also (with the help of Ronda) made the sport far more well known than it ever was.

He is the first ever dual champion and has finished nearly every opppnent Whilst been very active. I don't think he has ever dodged anyone. He simply looks for the money fight each time.

Also a rags to riches story if there ever was one. His UFC debut, less than 4 years ago and he didn't own a car and was on social welfare. It's nuts

When he is gone, and if I was him I wouldn't be staying around too much longer, he will have left an incredible significant legacy and inspired potential new fighters from all over the world.

It's not bad going I suppose.
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Apparently hes the 3rd, after BJ penn, and Randy Couture. But thats the narrative Dana , Rogan and all the rest are saying just to lie and hype things up
 
roykeane19 said:
Apparently hes the 3rd, after BJ penn, and Randy Couture. But thats the narrative Dana , Rogan and all the rest are saying just to lie and hype things up
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:lol:
Sorry buddy you got it wrong

Both Penn and Randy won two different titles at different times

Conor is the first dual champion, to hold them simultaneously
 
Still pissed at Eddie the underground cnut. I don't care who won, just wanted a good fight but instead got to see the equivalent of Barcelona vs. Tranmere
 
It's kinda funny, two days ago, Avarez was a nightmare matchup for him, would easily grapple him, dominate him and show him what's what about overstepping his boundaries into a division where he wasn't the big dog.

Today he's a "makeweight champion".

That left does really make everything go out the window.
 
Earthquake said:
It's kinda funny, two days ago, Avarez was a nightmare matchup for him, would easily grapple him, dominate him and show him what's what about overstepping his boundaries into a division where he wasn't the big dog.

Today he's a "makeweight champion".

That left does really make everything go out the window.
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Who said that about Eddie? I think he's a good old school brawler but very fortunate to be in the position he was in. I think the entire top 5 could beat him. had never looked great in the ufc.

Saw his post fight interview just now, dude looks broken. must be hard after all the trash talk. least intimidating fighter, easiest fight in the division, no Santa Claus blah blah blah :lol:
 
Just watched Khabib vs Johnson - incredible that it didn't finish sooner. Khabib was having free shots at him left right and center.

Machine.
 
So Conor's two big announcements is he's going to be a Dad and perhaps more significant to the UFC, he wants to own a part of the company. Seems fair enough given that he has carried the water for the over the past 18 months.
 
Sylar said:
What a great card, that lived up to the hype. The pre-lims were great too (as has been mentioned, it could have been transferred to a main card and nobody would have complained).

Mcgregor made that easier than I thought he would. Thought he would win but not as convincingly as he did. I do think that loss to Nate was great for him though (as silly as it sounds).
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Not that silly i agree, i think that loss opened his eyes. He underestimated Diaz first time around, since that fight he seems to have did work on his cardio and takedown defence. Last night and the second Diaz fight he also looked more patient, instead of going in all guns for the KO like he has in the past.
 
What a card! Thoroughly impressive from McGregor. He looked so sharp and that left hand... :eek:

Having said that, Alvarez was such a disappointment. He was so tentative to do anything after that first knockdown.
 
Schmiznurf said:
Alvarez looked scared the entire fight.
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The pressure and just the whole event in general was too much for him. He even said himself that he never followed the gameplan. Eddie didn't look up to it and once that first left hand landed it was just a matter of time
 
I really hope they do set up a card at the Santiago Bernabeu with Conor headlining. I would definitely go to watch that!
 
Anyone think there's a chance that could be the last time we see McGregor in the cage? Doesn't seem like he's much to gain by continuing to fight, especially if he gets a stake in the company he and his whole family will be more than set for life.
 
2cents said:
Anyone think there's a chance that could be the last time we see McGregor in the cage? Doesn't seem like he's much to gain by continuing to fight, especially if he gets a stake in the company he and his whole family will be more than set for life.
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Why would they give him a stake and say he doesn't have to still fight??
 
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