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Cucuy: 8 straight victories
Khabib: only 2 victories during the same time

i mean come on!! both are gonna be great fights, but Cucuy is the deserving title challenger, simple as.

Well if Cucuy beats RDA and Khabib beats Alvarez, then the two of them could square off next in what would be a bigger fight than any other alternative. I think that's what will happen.
 
Well if Cucuy beats RDA and Khabib beats Alvarez, then the two of them could square off next in what would be a bigger fight than any other alternative. I think that's what will happen.
I think Khabib will beat Alvarez, will out-grapple him and get a UD. RDA will punch Tony's lights out I reckon.
 
Interesting question on the MMA Beat:

Arguably the three most divisive champions right now are Cormier (Jon Jones, boos etc.), Mighty Mouse (boring) and Woodley (greedy, fake champion etc.). These are also the only three black champions right now.

Coincidence? Or do black athletes get perceived/treated in a different way? Is Woodley asking for the money fight really any more different than, say, all the people who are looking for the McGregor fight?
 
Interesting question on the MMA Beat:

Arguably the three most divisive champions right now are Cormier (Jon Jones, boos etc.), Mighty Mouse (boring) and Woodley (greedy, fake champion etc.). These are also the only three black champions right now.

Coincidence? Or do black athletes get perceived/treated in a different way? Is Woodley asking for the money fight really any more different than, say, all the people who are looking for the McGregor fight?

Definitely a coincidence. Look at Bisping, you could easily replace what he is doing against Henderson with what Woodley is attempting against GSP - both are running scared from their respective #1 contenders out of sheer greed and a cynical attempt to prolong their belt runs against less than ideal opponents.

As for Cormier, his arch nemesis is also black, so I don't think that makes much sense.

MM is considered uninteresting because he has cleared out his division and doesn't have any competition.
 
jon jones is black, and if he were still the champ, everybody would be worshipping him. I don't think skin color has anything to do with it.

MM is awesome. His division is boring. He can ask to fight anyone in the world, i would support it.

Cormier is fecking awesome, but when he fall for this mental games with JJ, he looks like an idiot. Great fighter and sport commentator, but terrible for mind games.

Woodley has been champ for less than a week and he is already asking for money fights... and not only that, but calling out retired athletes. What a clown.

Conor at least cleaned up his division and went for a title challenge to an upper division. The plan fails miserable because of RDA, but that fight had me quite interested. I agree he should have never been allowed to fight Nate Diaz though.

Bisping is another one. I really like him and its hard for me to admit but he shouldn't be fighting Hendo too. BUT, at least we could argue its his price for being a company man for over a decade.

In my opinion, they need to stop with this money fights non sense. UFC should raise their basic salary or something... its almost as if everyone making it to the top this days, is fecking broke.

once in a while a fight between champions of different divisions wouldn't be as bad in my opinion, with both belts on the table.

ps. el Pantera vs Bruce Leeroy this weekend! pumped for that one... el pantera is too good (so is leeroy, expect fight of the night at least). Ill be rooting for Yair.
 
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Hi Brits, have fun staying up til 5am to watch this. :lol:

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/8/4/12383476/michael-bisping-vs-dan-henderson-2-agreed-for-ufc-204

So what happens if Henderson, who is retiring after the fight, wins ? Who gets the belt ?

probably the winner of Weidman vs Rockhold 2... although i would like Anderson Silva fighting for it. :eek:

edit. i forgot Jacare... throw him in the mix then. special event... 4 fighters fighting for the belt, only one coming out alive of it.
 
Interesting question on the MMA Beat:

Arguably the three most divisive champions right now are Cormier (Jon Jones, boos etc.), Mighty Mouse (boring) and Woodley (greedy, fake champion etc.). These are also the only three black champions right now.

Coincidence? Or do black athletes get perceived/treated in a different way? Is Woodley asking for the money fight really any more different than, say, all the people who are looking for the McGregor fight?
I definitely think its a coincidence. People loved Bones and Anderson Silva, both black champions. People would love for Black Beast, Barboza, Jacare etc. to be champions. As for the three they mentioned:

Woodley: Sat out for over a year and got the nod over Maia and Wonderboy, who definitely were ahead of him in the title run. Then wins it and instantly denies Wonderboy a shot, to call out two fighters who aren't active. I get he's trying to take the money fights to provide for his family, but UFC fans don't care about his family, they care about seeing the best fights.

DC: He's in a losing battle. Despite what he does, people will always remember that he lost to Bones and then got the title because Bones was suspended, making him the "paper" champ. Of course, none of this is his fault but that's the way the cookie crumbled on this occasion.

Mighty Mouse: I don't think anyone dislikes him, it's more to do with the fact that there's no competition in his division because he's head and shoulders above the opposition. In this case, the only way to drum up interest is to promote, but he's reluctant to do the WWE style trash talking. Therefore, there's no hype for his fights. I'm sure once he retires, people will look back at him fondly for being one of the greatest P4P fighters.
 
Hi Brits, have fun staying up til 5am to watch this. :lol:

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/8/4/12383476/michael-bisping-vs-dan-henderson-2-agreed-for-ufc-204

So what happens if Henderson, who is retiring after the fight, wins ? Who gets the belt ?

The fight being on late is stupid for so many reasons. It'll just kick off in the crowd with people going on the piss before the event, getting bladdered and thinking they're MMA fighters. People won't be able to get home easily afterwards with all the transport not running at that time. When Hatton did it it was meant to be a bit of a disaster apparently there was people asleep in the crowd etc. The prelims will be empty cos no one will want to pay the arena prices and just go out in town instead.

This fight is the perfect opportunity to satisfy a European market to be honest. Does anyone in the US give a shit about it? (Honest question...I think you alluded to no one being that arsed a while ago, could be wrong though) so why not put it on at a sensible time in the UK and a bit earlier in US? Even 11pm in UK will be about 5-6pm in the US so it's hardly some stupid time. If anything it's actually quite a good time to watch an event!

Just seems a bit harsh on us who will be paying to go to it really and bit poor from the UFC.
 
Not seen this mentioned/posted but Stann made it sound like a step in the right direction regarding judging.
 
Anyone know why McGregor is still favourite over Diaz? Almost definitely gonna back Diaz seeing as his odds are better than evens with some bookmakers, thought I'd double check with people who actually know about the sport first
 
The fight being on late is stupid for so many reasons. It'll just kick off in the crowd with people going on the piss before the event, getting bladdered and thinking they're MMA fighters. People won't be able to get home easily afterwards with all the transport not running at that time. When Hatton did it it was meant to be a bit of a disaster apparently there was people asleep in the crowd etc. The prelims will be empty cos no one will want to pay the arena prices and just go out in town instead.

This fight is the perfect opportunity to satisfy a European market to be honest. Does anyone in the US give a shit about it? (Honest question...I think you alluded to no one being that arsed a while ago, could be wrong though) so why not put it on at a sensible time in the UK and a bit earlier in US? Even 11pm in UK will be about 5-6pm in the US so it's hardly some stupid time. If anything it's actually quite a good time to watch an event!

Just seems a bit harsh on us who will be paying to go to it really and bit poor from the UFC.

They could've done it at a different time if it were a regular non-PPV event that's televised in Fox in the US, but since Bisping wanted his big pay day by way of PPV points, it has to be at a time where people are actually going to buy it in the US.
 
Anyone know why McGregor is still favourite over Diaz? Almost definitely gonna back Diaz seeing as his odds are better than evens with some bookmakers, thought I'd double check with people who actually know about the sport first

Whilst it sounds stupid in hindsight Conor probably won Round 1 and was doing ok in Round 2 til he got caught. I'd guess a lot of people have bet on him to win this (especially in UK and Ireland) and it would be a huge risk to not have him at very short odds to win.

They could've done it at a different time if it were a regular non-PPV event that's televised in Fox in the US, but since Bisping wanted his big pay day by way of PPV points, it has to be at a time where people are actually going to buy it in the US.

Yeah true forgot about the PPV points. Apparently he's due to fight at about 3am they reckon...suppose it's a good end to a night out if nothing else!
 
Anyone know why McGregor is still favourite over Diaz? Almost definitely gonna back Diaz seeing as his odds are better than evens with some bookmakers, thought I'd double check with people who actually know about the sport first
McGregor can win if he plays smart and stops trying to knock out Diaz. Diaz can easily win if he takes McG down but knowing him, he won't do that as he prefers to stand and bang. McGregor can win this on decision if he plays smart and does what he did in round 1 of their last fight minus the hail mary "KO" punches.
 
UFC have uploaded the full fight today:



What's interesting watching it back in good quality is that is whilst McGregor is winning the fight in Round 1 and up until getting rocked in Round 2 he isn't really dominating it like the narrative has been suggested since.

I think it's a big test for McGregor and his team in the 2nd fight how they approach it cos the punches never really do much damage except the blood. Diaz never really looks in trouble.
 
It's a tall ask for Conor. Diaz has only ever been finished once and Conor didn't like his power in return one bit. Not really sure how he's planning to win if he can't finish him.
 
UFC have uploaded the full fight today:



What's interesting watching it back in good quality is that is whilst McGregor is winning the fight in Round 1 and up until getting rocked in Round 2 he isn't really dominating it like the narrative has been suggested since.

I think it's a big test for McGregor and his team in the 2nd fight how they approach it cos the punches never really do much damage except the blood. Diaz never really looks in trouble.


Conor easily won round 1 and was doing well in 2. That said, I have to question his overall fight game, which seems lopsidedly weighted towards his boxing but with limited mastery of the rest of MMA. Nate on the other hand is a deceptively effective boxer, but also has a great jiujitsu ground game. With a full camp, he will have a pretty good advantage going into the rematch. Conor will also come out strong to disprove the reasons it fell apart last time.
 
Has McGregor ever gone passed the second round?
 
It's a tall ask for Conor. Diaz has only ever been finished once and Conor didn't like his power in return one bit. Not really sure how he's planning to win if he can't finish him.
It's Diaz. Keep the distance and focus on leg kicks.
 
Obviously Connor first has to be in better condition than last time. He also has to have a better game plan. He showed in the last fight that he can do damage to Nate, he's just going to have to be smarter about it. Maybe accept that he isn't going to be able to blitz the bigger, longer fighter and instead pace himself more, utilise the reach advantage he has on kicks to slow Nate down and gradually start picking Nate off with smart shots.

Aside from all the personality stuff involved, this is going to be a very interesting fight from a tactical point of view. The last fight basically handed McGregor a big puzzle to solve for the rematch. It'll be interesting to see how he and his coaches think their way around it.
 
Conor easily won round 1 and was doing well in 2. That said, I have to question his overall fight game, which seems lopsidedly weighted towards his boxing but with limited mastery of the rest of MMA. Nate on the other hand is a deceptively effective boxer, but also has a great jiujitsu ground game. With a full camp, he will have a pretty good advantage going into the rematch. Conor will also come out strong to disprove the reasons it fell apart last time.

Yeah he definitely won it, I remember watching at the time though thinking it was a domination and it wasn't. It's a convincing round but in hindsight nothing is really hurting Diaz (or so it seems.)

I just think Diaz is a bad match up for Conor really. His biggest asset is his striking and it didn't seem to do that much really.

Has McGregor ever gone passed the second round?

Holloway with a torn ligament as well and with Holloway now on some streak it's a pretty well thought of win. But that's the only time I think.
 
Yeah he definitely won it, I remember watching at the time though thinking it was a domination and it wasn't. It's a convincing round but in hindsight nothing is really hurting Diaz (or so it seems.)

I just think Diaz is a bad match up for Conor really. His biggest asset is his striking and it didn't seem to do that much really.



Holloway with a torn ligament as well and with Holloway now on some streak it's a pretty well thought of win. But that's the only time I think.

Fair to say he has it all to prove in terms of his stamina?
 
Fair to say he has it all to prove in terms of his stamina?

Yeah probably a fair comment in terms of fighting but I don't really think cardio is a huge issue for him, he's a very fit person from all accounts.

I think whilst people may say Conor was coming up with excuses he did make a lot of sense post fight. He moved up weight which will worsen his cardio and I think they did just mismanage the situation really. Getting punched a lot wouldn't help either though.

I think any fighter expecting to outlast a Diaz on cardio though won't win as their fitness is up there with the best in the UFC. That's why I think it's a bad match up, he'll struggle to knock him out and I can't see it going the distance really unless Nate wins on a decision.
 
It's Diaz. Keep the distance and focus on leg kicks.

That really isn't Conor's game though. I don't see him fighting like that, even if it may be the smartest way. He wasted a lot of energy in the last fight on shitty spinning kicks, so hopefully he'll cut them out.
 
In some ways it's a bad match up. However, you'll also struggle to find a fighter as accomplished as Diaz on the ground who would be as reluctant to actually use that weapon against McGregor. Most fighters would probably target that area specifically, whereas Diaz will likely be happy to keep it standing until someone is hurt bad enough to take it to the ground (as McGregor did last time).
 
That really isn't Conor's game though. I don't see him fighting like that, even if it may be the smartest way. He wasted a lot of energy in the last fight on shitty spinning kicks, so hopefully he'll cut them out.
I think you're wrong. McGregor will be desperate for the win and will do whatever he can to get it and if that's keeping distance with leg kicks then do be it. Then he'll say he was being "efficient" with his energy.
 
So you can no longer purchase Pay-Per-View events on Fight Pass in Ireland, you have to get a BT Sport subscription now. Ridiculous, not one bit happy.
 
So you can no longer purchase Pay-Per-View events on Fight Pass in Ireland, you have to get a BT Sport subscription now. Ridiculous, not one bit happy.

All free if you have eir broadband. You can even still have Sky tv, just type in your sky viewing card on the eir site and all the BT sports as well as eir sports (formally Setanta sports) are fired straight up on your TV. Unreal deal altogether.
 
So you can no longer purchase Pay-Per-View events on Fight Pass in Ireland, you have to get a BT Sport subscription now. Ridiculous, not one bit happy.
Well if you buy one Ppv a month it works out similar to your BT sub, plus you get loads of football. I've had BT since day 1. It's good


Or as TBP says it's free with Eir broadband
 
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