Simple way to beat Nate Diaz, kick the shit out if his leg until he can barely stand on it.
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Hmmm, if only it was that simple eh? I imagine if you kicked the leg of anyone til they could no longer walk you'd win a fight. Don't think it's exclusive to Nate Diaz...
Dos Anjos did it with relative ease.
Nate uas a front foot heavy boxing stance. Makes it much easier to kick his leg and much harder for him to check them.
The revisionism of how the first fight between the two went down is incredible.
Conor is being made to sound like some bum who wasn't in the fight and there's absolutely no mention of him getting overconfident and trying to then put on a show for the crowd having foolishly thought he'd put Nate away.
Conor is being made to sound like some bum who wasn't in the fight and there's absolutely no mention of him getting overconfident and trying to then put on a show for the crowd having foolishly thought he'd put Nate away.
Because it never happened.
Conor git tired and Diaz caught him in the second. At no point was Diaz in trouble in that fight.
He wasn't in trouble, but up until that combo in the second, he was losing.
Conor's hubris destroyed him well before Nate did.
He thought he had the fight won after the first two minutes of hitting Nate at will, went head-hunting and showboating, which completely gassed him and slowed him to a crawl, and then could not recover from the deep waters he himself jumped head first in to.
There's that, and the power of a heavier man finally tagging him and bringing forth the revelation he was in serious trouble and couldn't be taking many of those punches, but by then, it was way too late to change anything.
Conor's approach proved absolutely ruinous.
You make out anyone could get in there and just kick his legs til he loses. If that was the case why does he have 19 wins? The line "simple" is a pretty narrow minded way at looking at something especially as brutal as MMA. Nothing would be simple against top level athletes really.
Just kick him in the leg once every round then run away for the rest of the fight. Simples.
Jones v DC 2 - at UFC 200. How do we feel about this ?
Wasn't the main event talked up as some brilliant event we'd all be shocked by? Can't say many people will be to shocked by that 1! It's a better fighter than Diaz vs. McGregor in fairness just a bit of an anti climax really for what could of been I guess. Unloess they announce another 1 as well.
Biggest and most relevant fight they could put on. A main event that actually makes sense...
The build up should be good too.
The build up should be good too.
I prefer this as this rematch has a purpose. Apparently Kleenex will sponsor the post fight presser.
Yeah Jones/DC 2 is probably the biggest non-Conor or Rousey type fight Dana could conjure up and since both of them seem to legitimately not like each other, it should have a bit of the same Conor circus feel to the build up.
It is a simple tactic all things considered. Kick the guys leg and avoid the boxing. Basically hit and run all match and maybe get a couple takedowns as he put weight on his back foot, if you have the wrestling to not get submitted.
Relatively speaking if you have the tools to pull off that tactic you should be able to bate Nate Diaz most of the time. Just so happens a lot of guys don't have that skillset and its hard for a guy like Mcgregor to do it.
I'm just flabbergasted at how Nate has apparently talked himself out of a million dollar pay day by not wanting to take a replacement for Conor. The Diaz Brothers are absolute train wrecks when it comes to thinking strategically about their careers.
McGregor would've got him a lot more money then any other fight. May want to wait around for him and fight at 201/202
I doubt that since Dana just said at this past weekend's post fight presser, that Conor would fight the winner of Aldo-Edgar, which would in effect squeeze Nate out of the Conor and big payday picture. Unless Nate agreed to fight GSP in NY or something like that, which would make it worth his while to wait. Short of that, it was a mindbendingly stupid thing to not take Dana's offer for a Conor replacement fight at 200. He likely just pissed away well over a $1m.
He must have thought they had leverage so they would have to bring Conor back if Diaz refused a replacement.
Fighting a man he can beat for a big pay day then onto a title shot sounds good. Losing to a replacement and a probable Conor rematch would have been a disaster.
Conor won't fight either of them. Dana is just playing hard ball with him because Conor pissed him off. He won't risk Mcgregor seriously retiring over a matchup.
This makes more sense. If Nate agreed to fight Conor at 201 or 202 then all is still well.
He has emphatically stated on numerous occasions in the past week that Conor will defend his belt against the winner of Aldo-Edgar. Otherwise there is no point in calling it an interim belt when Aldo-Edgar fight at 200.
I don't think Nate cares that much about money or his career projectory. He just wants to fight.
I dunno. He has said after the McGregor fights he wants money fights now.
I'd guess he thinks he will still get McGregor another time and make similar money, as has been said if he fought and lost then his stock lowers. If McGregor fights Edgar or Aldo then he probably fancies his chances of winning and therefore McGregor coming off a win still as champion is a big fight still regardless of the 200 number.
Happy it's finally happening at 200.
I think some people expected something a bit too unrealistic or over the top for 200, seen some complain about the card but for me that's a damn awesome card with more to potentially come.
* UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Daniel Cormier vs. Jon Jones - Fantastic rematch for the LHW title. The build up to the first fight was some of the best build up I've ever seen. Legit bad blood between the two.
* Jose Aldo vs. Frankie Edgar – for the interim UFC featherweight title - Aldo finally returns in what could be a cracking fight.
* UFC Women’s Bamtanweight Champion Miesha Tate vs. Amanda Nunes - Tate wins this IMO but very likely a really good fight.
* Travis Browne vs. Cain Velasquez - How can you not love this one? Browne is an absolute beast and it wasn't long ago people were calling Cain the P4P best. Could and should be explosive.
* Kelvin Gastelum vs. Johny Hendricks - Gastelum is still only 24 and has looked fantastic since TUF. Only two split decision losses to Magny and Woodley. Since the loss to GSP, Hendricks has been up and down. Huge fight for both men.
* Derek Brunson vs. Gegard Mousasi - 3 TKO finishes in a row for Brunson.
* Joe Lauzon vs. Diego Sanchez - Seriously, don't even try to tell me this isn't going to be a ridiculous fight. Expect an absolute war and blood everywhere.
* Enrique Martin vs. Sage Northcutt - Can Northcutt get back to winning ways after his first loss?
* Takanori Gomi vs. Jim Miller - Could be a fun little fight sitting on the prelims.
* Cat Zingano vs. Julianna Pena - A fantastic fight that will be overshadowed by a lot of the others. This is Zingano's return after a year out after her first loss which was against Rousey after the crazy moment she had that cost her the fight. Pena is seen as a potential future challenger after winning TUF and then returning from her awful injury. A pretty huge fight for both women, don't overlook this one, should be an exciting one and a win for either will get them into the title mix.
More to potentially come too. It's a ridiculously stacked card, seriously, don't be disappointed or sleeping on this one. Will say I am surprised Punk hasn't been announced for this card as he's clearly been aiming for 200 to debut.
I think some people expected something a bit too unrealistic or over the top for 200, seen some complain about the card but for me that's a damn awesome card with more to potentially come.
* UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Daniel Cormier vs. Jon Jones - Fantastic rematch for the LHW title. The build up to the first fight was some of the best build up I've ever seen. Legit bad blood between the two.
* Jose Aldo vs. Frankie Edgar – for the interim UFC featherweight title - Aldo finally returns in what could be a cracking fight.
* UFC Women’s Bamtanweight Champion Miesha Tate vs. Amanda Nunes - Tate wins this IMO but very likely a really good fight.
* Travis Browne vs. Cain Velasquez - How can you not love this one? Browne is an absolute beast and it wasn't long ago people were calling Cain the P4P best. Could and should be explosive.
* Kelvin Gastelum vs. Johny Hendricks - Gastelum is still only 24 and has looked fantastic since TUF. Only two split decision losses to Magny and Woodley. Since the loss to GSP, Hendricks has been up and down. Huge fight for both men.
* Derek Brunson vs. Gegard Mousasi - 3 TKO finishes in a row for Brunson.
* Joe Lauzon vs. Diego Sanchez - Seriously, don't even try to tell me this isn't going to be a ridiculous fight. Expect an absolute war and blood everywhere.
* Enrique Martin vs. Sage Northcutt - Can Northcutt get back to winning ways after his first loss?
* Takanori Gomi vs. Jim Miller - Could be a fun little fight sitting on the prelims.
* Cat Zingano vs. Julianna Pena - A fantastic fight that will be overshadowed by a lot of the others. This is Zingano's return after a year out after her first loss which was against Rousey after the crazy moment she had that cost her the fight. Pena is seen as a potential future challenger after winning TUF and then returning from her awful injury. A pretty huge fight for both women, don't overlook this one, should be an exciting one and a win for either will get them into the title mix.
More to potentially come too. It's a ridiculously stacked card, seriously, don't be disappointed or sleeping on this one. Will say I am surprised Punk hasn't been announced for this card as he's clearly been aiming for 200 to debut.
Surely after his fight with Nate though.
Conor won't physically be able to
And Playing the "length game" against a guy longer than you, is a terrible idea particularly when that guy knows how use it.
Of course he will. Its not like we're dealing with some invalid couch potato here. He can make the cut and defend his belt or else relinquish it.
Have you heard him talk ?
He will likely relinquish and if Dana doesn't let him fight Nate he may actually retire. His coach apparently convinced him not to after a heart to heart. He won't make it back down again IMO.
200 presser on fight pass now. Here we go again.
I don't think I've ever wanted somebody to beat another person in MMA more than I do Cormier to beat Jones.
Just don't see it happening though.
Just don't see it happening though.
I think DC will win if the same Jones that fought this weekend turns up.
Despite being a great fighter to watch, and his undoubted talent, I have never warmed to Jones. Hard to know exactly what makes me dislike him but I've rooted for most of his opponents in the last 3 years or so.
He'll get destroyed if he turns up in the same kind of form. I know we are supposed to put it down to ring rust/inactivity but his performance was too lacklustre to be explained that easily IMO. Compare it to Cruz's recent return, who had fought one round since 2011, and you'll see that there seems to be something more at play.
Jones talked a good game in the build up but displayed none of the supreme focus and new found dedication that he preached and if there are any question marks about him then they relate to his mentality. A strange thing to say about an undefeated champion I know but he didn't seem right despite a relatively comfortable five rounds.
You could see how gutted DC was that he had missed such a chance.
To play devils advocate to the Jones being rusty stuff you could surely make the same argument for DC in his last fight? Against Gus a lot of people thought he lost the fight...you can also argue OSP is completely different to Cormier who Jones was training for. I'd imagine that makes it harder.
I don't see him coming into this fight looking like he did against OSP. He'll be way more motivated against Cormier.
The interesting thing is DC saying he's actually going to come into this and look to take Jon down and lay on him for 25 minutes. Probably all mind games though. The build up will be brilliant although it's clear that Cormier is more rattled this time around, he's let Jones get under his skin which could easily be a good thing or a bad thing come fight night.
The interesting thing is DC saying he's actually going to come into this and look to take Jon down and lay on him for 25 minutes. Probably all mind games though. The build up will be brilliant although it's clear that Cormier is more rattled this time around, he's let Jones get under his skin which could easily be a good thing or a bad thing come fight night.
Got my UFC 200 ticket yesterday, it was so much easier than anticipated but that must be because no McGregor. Literally took thirteen hours of refreshing for UFC 194, took one minute yesterday. 
I don't know why everyone is bashing Jones performance against OSP. He's coming off 15 month lay off, had his opponent change to complete different style of fighter (which people couldn't stop mentioning when Conor struggled a bit when he fought Mendes instead of Aldo) he was in jail in the month leading up to the fight and his mother had her leg amputated on the week of the fight. Despite all this, he still won every second of that five round fight and only got hit twice. To me, that's still bloody impressive.
Speaking of Jones rematches, what's Gustafsson up to? Why not booked anywhere it seems? Needs to get a couple of wins back in, with a preferably with the second one being a reverse win of Cormier at like UFC 205 or something, that makes Jones vs Cormier 2 massive already and Jones vs Gus 2 massive again as it would of been if it happened when it should of.