The MMA thread

I'm still laughing.

:lol::lol:

How Irish *is* this forum? I thought it was mostly English people.
It's sooooo damn Irish.

Actually, there's an argument to be made that it's actually an Irish site about an English team, as Niall is Irish.
Its an outlier! That slip proved nothing about Nucks as a comedian.
I think he needs a rematch, he's not ready to move up a class and take on @Mr Pigeon.
 
It's sooooo damn Irish.

Actually, there's an argument to be made that it's actually an Irish site about an English team, as Niall is Irish.

Well, that explains why you are all so witty!

I'm part Irish myself, actually, I believe from country Kerry.

More Welsh and English though...I think.

English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish. *Everyone* hates me!
 
RDA is a straight up monster. I know Mcgregor keeps coming through his challenges but god damn, overcoming RDA would be something special because his skillset is designed to beat flashy strikers and he is in his absolute prime right now. Looking forward to it if it happens.

Also how about Nate Diaz? He looked fecking great.
 
What do we all think about the Cerrone stoppage?

He was clearly hurt but didn't appear to be taking too much damage at the time of the stoppage, I actually thought he looked worse off when he initially got beat down against the cage and if there was any time to stop it then it was at that point.

Was it a case of Herb Dean over-compensating for his questionable performance in the Weidman fight?
 
When people ask me where my people came from, i say, "the island and the other island". And people never ask which ones.

Speaking of which, Ireland is surely just derived from an Englishman finding a drunken Irishman and asking where he was from and him pointing west and garbling, "Island."
 
It's sooooo damn Irish.

Actually, there's an argument to be made that it's actually an Irish site about an English team, as Niall is Irish.

I think he needs a rematch, he's not ready to move up a class and take on @Mr Pigeon.

I don't follow MMA, is that a fat joke? Because if it is then well done!
 
When people ask me where my people came from, i say, "the island and the other island". And people never ask which ones.

Speaking of which, Ireland is surely just derived from an Englishman finding a drunken Irishman and asking where he was from and him pointing west and garbling, "Island."
:lol: I think comes from the irish name Éire, "hey, where did you say that drunk's from?" "Oh, Eireland or some shit..."
I don't follow MMA, is that a fat joke? Because if it is then well done!
It's both that, and a dig at the other bloke by mentioning an actual funny poster.
 
I have a question for your MMA fans. What are the best martial arts bases for a top MMA fighter?
 
Muay Thai and Brazilian Ju Jitsu. You could be great with only those.

Kickboxing and wrestling is another common combo.
I'm not a big fan of generic fighting styles like the ones stated above. Always preferred Martial Arts like Sambo and Tae Kwon Do.
 
I'm not a big fan of generic fighting styles like the ones stated above. Always preferred Martial Arts like Sambo and Tae Kwon Do.

Sambo is considered by some to be the first mixed martial art.

Tae Kwon Do is great sport but one of the least useful in actual fighting, so they say.

Catch fighting, shootfighting, whatever its called is another early attempt to mix arts, wrestling and striking.

Now you can start off training MMA, but it seems the best guys start as specialists in one area.

Anderson Silva, minus the clowning, is muay thai and bjj. Chuck Liddell was kickboxing with enough wrestling to keep it standing.
 
I'm not a big fan of generic fighting styles like the ones stated above. Always preferred Martial Arts like Sambo and Tae Kwon Do.

If you are naturally a good striker Sambo could be enough but the combination Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu is better because they are both highly technical. And it's a good idea to compete in grappling tournaments.
 
If you are naturally a good striker Sambo could be enough but the combination Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu is better because they are both highly technical. And it's a good idea to compete in grappling tournaments.

You know I dont think Sambo includes knee and elbow strikes, or did orgininally anyway, thats supposed to be one of the biggest advantages of MT. Most fighters employ the MT stance, and use MT kicks. But im sure a real expert could tell you which kicks these MT guys use that arent traditional. Im sure there are some fancy kicks they didnt have, rarely used anyway and even more rarely effective.

I find it interesting that Karate has made a little noice with Machida and now Conor. The idea of leaping in and out, lanky stance, planning to end a fight with one attack, is very applicable to someone good enough to actually finish.
 
Sambo is considered by some to be the first mixed martial art.

Tae Kwon Do is great sport but one of the least useful in actual fighting, so they say.

Catch fighting, shootfighting, whatever its called is another early attempt to mix arts, wrestling and striking.

Now you can start off training MMA, but it seems the best guys start as specialists in one area.

Anderson Silva, minus the clowning, is muay thai and bjj. Chuck Liddell was kickboxing with enough wrestling to keep it standing.
Surely Capoeira is the least efficient Martial Art style. Funny story, a mate of mine who did Taekwondo fought a Capoeira practitioner. The guy cartwheeled into a front kick and broke his jaw/nose/cheek bone.

I always think that offering something different and unique in a fight would give you and edge over your opponent. Whether you can find that without losing the technical qualities of Muay Thai/BJJ is another thing.

If you are naturally a good striker Sambo could be enough but the combination Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu is better because they are both highly technical. And it's a good idea to compete in grappling tournaments.
I hate grappling and ground games. I don't have the skill for it at all and end up just trying to power my way through. Wouldn't you also need Judo or something that focuses on takedowns as well?
 
I hate grappling and ground games. I don't have the skill for it at all and end up just trying to power my way through. Wouldn't you also need Judo or something that focuses on takedowns as well?

Muay Thai and BJJ is a great combo because if your Muay Thai is high level you can win the fight standing and really punish wrestlers in the clinch. Then if they do get you down you have good BJJ to work with, so even there you are dangerous. Werdum vs Cain was a great example of this. There was really nowhere for Cain to win the fight on that night. Getting lit up in the clinch which led to him desperately shooting for a takedown which is what Werdum wanted him to do in the first place.

Wrestling is often considered the true centre of MMA though and for good reason. The Muay Thai/ BJJ combo is really the only one that doesn't necessarily require good wrestling in my opinion (although all the best should have it anyway). Wrestlers who can add some stand up discipline to their game are always up there as they can control fights and impose their will. Probably 75% of the top guys in the UFC have a wrestling base. Judo is useful but hasn't really worked for too many as a main base, most just incorporate some judo trips and throws into the rest of their grappling arsenal. Tae Kwon Do is exciting but you really need some sort of boxing along with it, same goes for Karate. Mcgregor for example is certainly a boxer first and foremost, while he does have a flair for the flashier side of things (even some capoeira), it's his boxing that gets him results.
 
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Surely Capoeira is the least efficient Martial Art style. Funny story, a mate of mine who did Taekwondo fought a Capoeira practitioner. The guy cartwheeled into a front kick and broke his jaw/nose/cheek bone.

I always think that offering something different and unique in a fight would give you and edge over your opponent. Whether you can find that without losing the technical qualities of Muay Thai/BJJ is another thing.


I hate grappling and ground games. I don't have the skill for it at all and end up just trying to power my way through. Wouldn't you also need Judo or something that focuses on takedowns as well?

To offer something different you need a solid technique and great composure. Excuse me to ask but what do you want exactly? You want to become a top MMA fighter?
 
To offer something different you need a solid technique and great composure. Excuse me to ask but what do you want exactly? You want to become a top MMA fighter?
I don't want anything. I'm talking from a hypothetical sense.
 
I don't want anything. I'm talking from a hypothetical sense.

Okay, so if you have a ko power you will have to polish your striking and develop a great takedown defense. If you don't have a ko power, you will have to be a great wrestler with a good stand up technique. I think that it's the simplest way to describe it.
Now, to achieve all that you can either learn 1 or 2 Martial Arts or work in isolation all the techniques that you will need in the octagon, the second will be seen as an MMA training.
 
Interesting new policy from One FC to stamp out weight cutting.

Essentially

- Athletes will be required to submit their daily walking around weight and training camp weights(?) to One FC
- Weight classes will be assigned according to the daily weights submitted and random weigh ins conducted by One FC officials
- Fighters must be within the limits of their weight class three weeks before their bout
- Fighters will be weighed by officials each day during the week of the fight and must be within their weight class. Urine samples will also be tested to confirm hydration. Any failure here would result in disqualification from the event
- There is a final weigh in and urine test 3 hours before the event. Failure here would also result in disqualification from the event

As far as a first implementation goes, I think its a good one. I'm glad an org is giving something a go.

One Championship Adopts New Weigh-In Policy Following Recent Fighter Death

After the death of flyweight Jianbing Yang earlier this month, One Championship has adopted a new policy to prevent its athletes from cutting massive amounts of weight prior to a fight.

The new program, which will take effect in January, is designed to eliminate dehydration from the weight-cutting process by having fighters compete at their “walking weight.” Athletes under One Championship contract will be subject to “multiple weigh-ins and tests before and during fight week, including three hours before an event begins.”

Many fighters in MMA compete 20 pounds and then some below their normal day-to-day weight, making for dangerous, and sometimes life-threatening, weight cuts. Prior to One Championship 35 weigh-ins, Yang was rushed to the hospital due to dehydration and heat stroke as a result of a failed cut. He was pronounced dead at San Juan De Dios Hospital in Pasay, Philippines, on Dec. 11.

According to a release, One Championship’s new program was adopted “after thorough discussions and recommendations” by its medical and competition team.

“Today I'm proud to have been involved with developing the new weigh-in program for One athletes. As a former MMA champion, I've been through the process of weight-cutting by dehydration countless times and I know firsthand how it affects an athlete physically,” One Championship Vice President Rich Franklin said in a release. “I personally understand the importance of safety and competing at your very best as a professional MMA athlete and after reviewing the new regulations and policies governing the weigh-in procedures and contracted weight limits, this new program does both for our athletes.”

The full details of One Championship’s weigh-in policy are as follows:

1. Athletes must submit their current walking weight and daily training weight regularly. Athletes will input and track their daily weight online via a dedicated web portal. Athletes may input data weekly but must include daily weights.

2. Athletes will be assigned to their weight class based on collated data and random weight checks. Athletes are not allowed to drop a weight class when less than eight weeks out from an event.

3. During fight week, weights are checked daily. Urine specific gravity will also be checked the day after arrival and three hours prior to the event. Athletes must be within their weight class and pass specific gravity hydration tests all week and up to three hours before the event. If an athlete falls outside the weight, or fails a test, they are disqualified from the event. Doctors may request additional testing at their discretion.

4. Catch weight bouts are allowed. However, the athlete with the higher weight will not be heavier than 105 percent of the lighter opponent’s weight.

5. ONE will conduct random weight checks on athletes at our discretion.

6. Athletes may petition to change weight classes outside of the eight-week competition zone and must be within their new desired weight at that time. In addition, athletes must pass a specific gravity urine test when their weight is within the limits of the newly petitioned weight class. One Championship doctors can request additional testing to determine the amount of weight drop allowed over a specific time.

7. The usage of IVs for the purpose of rehydration will not be allowed.

Additionally, all fighters must be within the limits of their weight class three weeks before their bout, as part of the aforementioned eight-week competition zone. A fighter’s bodyweight can be more than six percent over the allowable limit eight weeks before a fight, but that number gradually decreases until the final three weeks.

Overage and limits of weight reduction:

· 3 weeks to event day: Athlete must be within contracted weight class

· 4 weeks: 1.5% bodyweight over max

· 5 weeks: 3%

· 6 weeks: 4.5%

· 7 weeks: 6%

· 8 weeks: +6% max over.

(ONE Chief Doctor may approve up to +/- 0.5% maximum error in any weekly weight check)

“We believe that through the implementation of this new weigh-in program, our fighters will enjoy a safer and healthier life inside and outside of the cage,” One Championship CEO Victor Cui said. “I invite the other two major global MMA organizations, Bellator and UFC, to follow in our footsteps to protect athletes and to eliminate the process of weight cutting by dehydration."

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/On...n-Policy-Following-Recent-Fighter-Death-97649
 
good news! It's a matter of time UFC take similar rules. The fighters want it so eventually they come around to it.

ps. 3 or 4 missed weight in the last event. wtf...
 
Silva vs Bisping.


Just came on to post that. I nearly bought tickets but didn't because the card was underwhelming... kicking myself now!

I wonder why Mousasi dropped out? I reckon they didn't allow him on the plane because he's muslim :lol:
 
Is this Silva's first fight since the leg break?
 
Interesting new policy from One FC to stamp out weight cutting.

Essentially

- Athletes will be required to submit their daily walking around weight and training camp weights(?) to One FC
- Weight classes will be assigned according to the daily weights submitted and random weigh ins conducted by One FC officials
- Fighters must be within the limits of their weight class three weeks before their bout
- Fighters will be weighed by officials each day during the week of the fight and must be within their weight class. Urine samples will also be tested to confirm hydration. Any failure here would result in disqualification from the event
- There is a final weigh in and urine test 3 hours before the event. Failure here would also result in disqualification from the event

As far as a first implementation goes, I think its a good one. I'm glad an org is giving something a go.

One Championship Adopts New Weigh-In Policy Following Recent Fighter Death

After the death of flyweight Jianbing Yang earlier this month, One Championship has adopted a new policy to prevent its athletes from cutting massive amounts of weight prior to a fight.

The new program, which will take effect in January, is designed to eliminate dehydration from the weight-cutting process by having fighters compete at their “walking weight.” Athletes under One Championship contract will be subject to “multiple weigh-ins and tests before and during fight week, including three hours before an event begins.”

Many fighters in MMA compete 20 pounds and then some below their normal day-to-day weight, making for dangerous, and sometimes life-threatening, weight cuts. Prior to One Championship 35 weigh-ins, Yang was rushed to the hospital due to dehydration and heat stroke as a result of a failed cut. He was pronounced dead at San Juan De Dios Hospital in Pasay, Philippines, on Dec. 11.

According to a release, One Championship’s new program was adopted “after thorough discussions and recommendations” by its medical and competition team.

“Today I'm proud to have been involved with developing the new weigh-in program for One athletes. As a former MMA champion, I've been through the process of weight-cutting by dehydration countless times and I know firsthand how it affects an athlete physically,” One Championship Vice President Rich Franklin said in a release. “I personally understand the importance of safety and competing at your very best as a professional MMA athlete and after reviewing the new regulations and policies governing the weigh-in procedures and contracted weight limits, this new program does both for our athletes.”

The full details of One Championship’s weigh-in policy are as follows:

1. Athletes must submit their current walking weight and daily training weight regularly. Athletes will input and track their daily weight online via a dedicated web portal. Athletes may input data weekly but must include daily weights.

2. Athletes will be assigned to their weight class based on collated data and random weight checks. Athletes are not allowed to drop a weight class when less than eight weeks out from an event.

3. During fight week, weights are checked daily. Urine specific gravity will also be checked the day after arrival and three hours prior to the event. Athletes must be within their weight class and pass specific gravity hydration tests all week and up to three hours before the event. If an athlete falls outside the weight, or fails a test, they are disqualified from the event. Doctors may request additional testing at their discretion.

4. Catch weight bouts are allowed. However, the athlete with the higher weight will not be heavier than 105 percent of the lighter opponent’s weight.

5. ONE will conduct random weight checks on athletes at our discretion.

6. Athletes may petition to change weight classes outside of the eight-week competition zone and must be within their new desired weight at that time. In addition, athletes must pass a specific gravity urine test when their weight is within the limits of the newly petitioned weight class. One Championship doctors can request additional testing to determine the amount of weight drop allowed over a specific time.

7. The usage of IVs for the purpose of rehydration will not be allowed.

Additionally, all fighters must be within the limits of their weight class three weeks before their bout, as part of the aforementioned eight-week competition zone. A fighter’s bodyweight can be more than six percent over the allowable limit eight weeks before a fight, but that number gradually decreases until the final three weeks.



“We believe that through the implementation of this new weigh-in program, our fighters will enjoy a safer and healthier life inside and outside of the cage,” One Championship CEO Victor Cui said. “I invite the other two major global MMA organizations, Bellator and UFC, to follow in our footsteps to protect athletes and to eliminate the process of weight cutting by dehydration."

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/On...n-Policy-Following-Recent-Fighter-Death-97649

Im a supporter of ending weight cutting. Dangerous and nothing to do with fighting.
 
Just came on to post that. I nearly bought tickets but didn't because the card was underwhelming... kicking myself now!

I wonder why Mousasi dropped out? I reckon they didn't allow him on the plane because he's muslim :lol:
Well know that's not the reason


It was due to it being an underwhelming card and UFC decided to really push figh pass this year

Moussasi is still expected to be on the card
 
Yup, same fight that Diaz got his 5 year ban for.
So 40 year old Silva, coming off of drug doping, with a recently snapped in half shin injury and a year without a fight? Am I missing something here? Is Bisping such a bitch that he cant win this fight?