Sounds like Silva's done folks...
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Always best to give it time. If he does fight again the most interesting question is who. He won't fight for the title again, so you're likely looking at a step up to LHW again or a super fight with GSP.
It was a classic show piece and the theatrics from Diaz added a lot to it. Also very emotional at the end. But it was not a classic fight or performance from silva
He won for sure, but that was not Silva at even close to his best
Would love to see him make a last run at the title. I am not a big Weidman fan at all and don't see him as a great champion. For me there is an asterisk against both his wins over Silva
In fact I think Belfort would have destroyed him
He won for sure, but that was not Silva at even close to his best
Would love to see him make a last run at the title. I am not a big Weidman fan at all and don't see him as a great champion. For me there is an asterisk against both his wins over Silva
In fact I think Belfort would have destroyed him
I don't want to see him fight GSP. I think GSP even with his hiatus would soundly beat Silva of today
No way! GSP wouldn't stand a chance. That was Silvas first fight back after a broken leg, you can't judge him for that. It's only natural for him to be cagey and cautious, he already showed incredible courage and mental strength to get back so quickly. When he loosened up he still looked quick and elusive as ever.
GSP is much the smaller man and his striking isn't even close to Silva's, just look how badly Hendricks beat up GSP.
Dana White said pre fight that if Silva won he would get a title shot but who knows if even wants to fight Weidman again.
Gsp would destroy him on the gound and up against the cage IMO anyways
Maybe I would like to see the fight
I dunno! Silva is a black belt in BJJ has finished numerous amounts on the ground and you have to consider Silva has about 4-5 inches taller and about 20 lbs heavier. It would be hard for GSP to even take it to the ground or the cage.
I really doubt this fight will ever happen though, so it's all hypothetical!
Diaz needs to get a corner that doesn't just tell him what he wants to hear.
In his mind he won the fight because he took the centre of the Octagon and was constantly moving forward but that means nothing if you aren't landing anything. Shame because that fight threatened to explode a few times. It was oddly compelling.
In his mind he won the fight because he took the centre of the Octagon and was constantly moving forward but that means nothing if you aren't landing anything. Shame because that fight threatened to explode a few times. It was oddly compelling.
Not much to show there. Anderson also held Diaz's head in the second round and let Diaz hit him a bit. Diaz shouldn't complain and if he felt Anderson wasn't fighting the first round, should have gone after Anderson. he didn't and Anderson didn't need to go after him.
Anderson won the fight hands down.
Anderson won the fight hands down.
Agreed, what the f was that all about telling him he's looking good in the 4th round when it was clear to everyone he was way behind and needed to knock or tap Silva out to get the win.
On the other hand, I love Diaz but he should stop making up excuses straight up after his losses. This is like his loss to GSP all over again.
His mates and training partners. Idiots. Not the first time they've done it either.
I didn't post the video for evidence of anything. Just thought it was funny. At the end of the day it's Nick Diaz versus Anderson f'kin Sliva. For all the talk of Silva having a year out Diaz hasn't fought in twice as long. Silva should have gone for the KO a lot more.
The whole event was a giant letdown. The co-main was boring as hell and the main event seemed like an exhibition, mainly due to Diaz. I know he pisses around in the cage to get to his opponents but here he just pissed around and let the timer run down as if he just came for a pay day. Thank god for the Lauzon vs. Iaquinta, at least that had some action.
I didn't find it that boring actually, probably half because I expected it to go like that. Thought it was oddly compelling. Certainly seen a lot worse involving both Diaz and Silva
Anderson popped for steroids... and Diaz for weed 
So did they know Silva failed it before the fight?
That sucks! This will most likely be the end of his career. Why on earth do these fighters think they won't get popped?
You only need to look at some of the heavyweight fighters to know just how many of them are using steroids. UFC is a joke - I'm surprised they've allowed Silva to be busted.
At least in boxing individual fighters can arrange drug tests for their fights on an independent basis.
How to ruin a legacy for dummies. His out of competition tests were positive, one is still to return his post fight one was clean. Now there will be a lot of doubt over his other wins as he was not randomly tested before in the UFC apparently.
Can not surely be called the greatest now, can he?
Can not surely be called the greatest now, can he?
yeah I think i might be done with this damn sportAnderson popped for steroids... and Diaz for weed
So GSP cements himself as the GOAT 
So apparently the post-fight results came back within 24 hours but the pre-fight ones took much longer i.e. enough time for the fight to go ahead and make the UFC a lot of money
The whole UFC organisation is in real trouble, if you ask me. In danger of losing what little credibility it had.
The whole UFC organisation is in real trouble, if you ask me. In danger of losing what little credibility it had.
The UFC shouldn't be losing credibility. It's one of the few organizations that is actually doing something about PEDs. For example, look how rare it is for NFL players to be busted and then look at the actual NFL players. Baseball and cycling scandals only really came about due to whistle blowing.
Whilst you have a point there's a slight difference in the ones you mention and the UFC.
For starters the UFC has competition which could tarnish their name and try and damage it somewhat, there's no real through to NFL, MLB or cycling and there is no alternative, or at least not one that's of a similar standard, them sports have basically been monopolized. There's various MMA companies and whilst is the best there is others that could provide viable competition in the future if the PR fallout from this is bad.
The timing is also bad as well, as is pointed out the fact the show went ahead despite the quick turnaround of drug test results does imply they knew and kept it going as it was all about making money and not keeping in line with the rules and fair competition.
He's also viewed as one of the best ever fighters. I'd argue cycling took a bit of a beating after the Armstrong scandal and the same could happen to UFC. It won't bankrupt the company or anything but I'd imagine rival promoters are going to use this as some kind of ammunition. When it's someone who is that good at the sport the legacy of the sport as well as the person will always get tarnished.
Rival promoters wont say a word about them. Because it will happen to them too
Also if UFC release Diaz or Anderson they would pay them huge sums to fight for them
Also if UFC release Diaz or Anderson they would pay them huge sums to fight for them
I don't mean that cycling and baseball didn't take a beating, but that their credibility should be more damaged, as their major scandals happened largely due whistle blowing, whilst the UFC seem to be more active in actually trying to bust people. These guys keep getting caught in out of competition tests. They even knew where Chael was going to be in a hotel. The UFC are clearly helping the testers.
I would think majority of fight fans don't give a crap if a fighter is using PEDS. They just want to see two guys fight each other. There is no real competition to the UFC and other organistions such as Belator always snap up released UFC fighters who some have been popped for PEDS. So I don't see it hurting UFC at all.
I see it being a huge blow and I also think most fans will give a shit
Lets just judge us on the Caf. I reckon most did not like this news at all
For me it has totally tarnished Silva which is rather upsetting for me
I don't know about that. If people are cheating and getting away with it then surely the appeal is somewhat lost of watching that sport? Maybe that's just me. I'm not a massive MMA fan though like others are and am more casual in viewing it. A person using drugs will gain a competitive edge and an advantage therefore the appeal of it being a fair fight kind of goes. Obviously you get better natural fighters who will be heavy favourites but that's the same in any sports. Giving yourself a competitive edge by cheating is different. I don't think the company will go bankrupt over this as I said but it is a bad PR spin. We're basically 1 month in to the year and UFC has had their current best fighter go to rehab for doing coke and now possibly their best ever fighter is a drug cheat. It's enough for people to be slightly annoyed at them as a company.
The Jones stuff doesn't bother me, the Silva stuff I think is pretty shit news for the company though. I agree with the assessment above by @Randall Flagg said that other companies fighters will be doing it, but I'd still suggest some might take a few shots at UFC over this, maybe risk egg on their face but if they see an opportunity they will definitely try and seize it.
I'm disappointed but it's not going to make me stop watching their product. That's why i said I don't think it would hurt the UFC as we as the consumer will still watch it.
The fact that two such high profile fighters had this happen will really get some people questioning the sport. I mean their current best fighter (Jones) and arguably their best ever (Silva) both have been labelled as drug cheats. What does that show for the sport? That cheating makes you the best? Horrible message.
Jones and Fedor will have something to say about that as well.So GSP cements himself as the GOAT
Cocaine and Weed for me are nowhere near as bad as PED's in a sport situation, If Jones or Diaz were doing drugs while they were around their children then I'd be like what is wrong with them? But if they were doing it in their personal time in a club or with some friends it doesn't make me disregard their fighting ability. But I do now look at Anderson differently and that is sad as he was such a great asset for the sport.
I used to watch it obsessively but dip in and out these days. McGregor had piqued my interest all over again but this Jones/Silva thing has put me off massively. Will probably still follow McGregor but am absolutely less interested in the heavier weight classes, now it seems likely they're all doping. Not sure how representative I am but there must be a fair chunk of fans out there like me.
It's not moral outrage over doping. It's about wanting to watch fair fights. If they were all confirmed on PEDs I'd probably start watching again!
How do even become MMA fans if you have a problem with PEDs?
Right from it's very inception PED use was well known of. Royce Gracie, the winner of the the original UFC events was even busted. Every major part of the sports history has involved PEDs. How to do you have such a problem with PED use, when surely most people wouldn't have even been got into MMA if it wasn't for PED use? Isn't the fight that saved Zuffa, Griffin vs Bonnar? Wasn't Pride untested in Japan? Isn't the biggest draw in the sports history Brock Lesnar? How do people watch the evolution of this sport and then start condemning PED users as if they are cheating the audience. Surely the audience are cheating themselves by being deliberately obtuse. I'm not saying you have to approve of drugs in sport, but that the moment you started watching MMA you surely must have realized exactly what you were seeing. This is a sport where a guy called Randy "the natural" Couture, won the heavy weight title weighing over 220lbs at 6ft 2", with a 6 pack!
Right from it's very inception PED use was well known of. Royce Gracie, the winner of the the original UFC events was even busted. Every major part of the sports history has involved PEDs. How to do you have such a problem with PED use, when surely most people wouldn't have even been got into MMA if it wasn't for PED use? Isn't the fight that saved Zuffa, Griffin vs Bonnar? Wasn't Pride untested in Japan? Isn't the biggest draw in the sports history Brock Lesnar? How do people watch the evolution of this sport and then start condemning PED users as if they are cheating the audience. Surely the audience are cheating themselves by being deliberately obtuse. I'm not saying you have to approve of drugs in sport, but that the moment you started watching MMA you surely must have realized exactly what you were seeing. This is a sport where a guy called Randy "the natural" Couture, won the heavy weight title weighing over 220lbs at 6ft 2", with a 6 pack!
Wonder if Dana will brush this aside like he did with Jones and his coke incident. Fcuk Silva the cheating cnut.
Can't speak for everyone else but I came to the sport from a background of watching boxing (where PEDs don't seem to be much of an issue) didn't bother spending ages reading up on the history of MMA and don't know (or care) exactly how much muscle someone can pack on with/without taking steroids. I always assumed they were fighting on a level playing field. If not, it becomes a lot less interesting to me.
Do you think people like Frank Bruno were clean?
To put things into perspective, this is a post my brother made on another forum (City):
Here is a list of Andersons opponents before he was busted himself, since he entered the UFC. I've bolded the one's who either used illegal substances or we know were using TRT:
Weidman
Bonnar
Sonnen
Okami
Belfort
Maia
Griffin
Leites
Cote
Irvin
Henderson
Franklin
Marquadt
Lutter
Leben
So out of 15 opponents 8 have either used TRT or something illegal. All of those fights happened before random out of competition testing. So it was incredibly difficult to get caught! Yet even despite it being tough, many guys still managed to get busted, despite knowing when they were going to be tested.
Here is a list of Andersons opponents before he was busted himself, since he entered the UFC. I've bolded the one's who either used illegal substances or we know were using TRT:
Weidman
Bonnar
Sonnen
Okami
Belfort
Maia
Griffin
Leites
Cote
Irvin
Henderson
Franklin
Marquadt
Lutter
Leben
So out of 15 opponents 8 have either used TRT or something illegal. All of those fights happened before random out of competition testing. So it was incredibly difficult to get caught! Yet even despite it being tough, many guys still managed to get busted, despite knowing when they were going to be tested.