A lot of palms would have to be greased to usurp the UFC, as far as what they do, which is look out for themselves and thwart any uprising, they are pretty much watertight. If you can’t get fights sanctioned or commissions on board, you can’t get anything off the ground. It’d take an equally connected conglomerate or individual to get a rival organisation up and running.
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It’s a piss off your fighters 101 handbook. Shiesty and underhanded.
I did say once a certain level is reached. Boxing is more despicable than the UFC at lower levels and the horror stories are ten a penny, but! Once you’re a draw, fortunes change rapidly and even fair management (let alone great) will see fighters eclipse what they could earn in MMA and the power is then in their hands to negotiate the best deals they can. At least there’s some semblance of fairness to proceedings that you rarely get in UFC.
Putting your life on the line every time you go out there whilst being a good and entertaining professional who people pay to see fight warrants what’s due, IMO. I’d rally for the fighters just as much as rally against corrupt organisations lining their pockets whilst shafting key workers.
I dunno, boxing is terrible from the top down. There's plenty of horror stories of fighters being ripped off who were making absolutely millions during their peak (Tyson, Holyfield, Toney etc.) It's probably the most corrupt sport around.
Fair enough if you wanna do that more power to you, just find the whole thing has gone on for years and nowt changes so I'd rather just watch the fights and enhoy them than be bothered about their pay.
But you’re talking about something different there, more a case for lawyers and legal teams - the fighters were still paid their due, just leeches siphoned it straight from the source exploiting the lack of financial education and absolute trust etc.
Boxing is terrible from the top down, but the success stories and wealth of the best of them makes a mockery of their equivalents in MMA not named Conor. Even Conor made the majority of his fortune via boxing and whisky, rather than the UFC.
Being indifferent sides with the organisation and is a part of why these practices are allowed to continue unabated. If Dana got rinsed on social media and the scandalous practices highlighted long enough to trend, those above him would do something to smooth over the backlash. I’m not saying you as an individual can do anything, but if enough rallied, changes would be made as nothing is allowed to tarnish the brand
He's also not particularly entertaining. Beyond the obvious gimmick of his hair and above par fighting skills, there's really not much there to warrant him getting paid more.
Managers/promoters is the classic, course others get involved and there's outside factors etc but for as much of a cnut Dana White is and the UFC are I genuinely don't think anything comes close to boxing in terms of fecking people over, it's a tale as old as time.
To be fair boxing is/was way more popular than UFC. Take away Conor (and possibly Khabib) and UFC doesn't really do great numbers with anyone else headlining. For what it's worth I think both sports underpay their fighters massively. I'd definitely agree top boxers get compensated a lot better than top MMA fighters but the rest are fighting for scraps. There's boxing cards on record where Mayweather made $100million +, his opponent $10-20million + and everyone else was making less than 10k etc, it's crazy.
I agree with the sentiment re your last point and I do admire the stance of people not accepting it, I'm just not that bothered about it myself anymore. I used to be but then I continued watching etc (albeit I don't pay for PPVs cos we get em all for free in the UK so I'm hardly putting money in the UFCs pocket or whatever) so I just kind of stopped caring about it.
I’d be a hypocrite to say I’m campaigning or anything, but the situation has gotten worse and worse. Dana locked off a division to keep it in line, ffs. That’s unprecedented and the fact he can do that, with next to no fan uproar or support for the fighters shows how tilted and normalised things are. This isn’t WWE, and yet it’s being ran like Vince McMahon is calling the shots inside some soap opera storyline.
It’s not just about how much the UFC rinses its top performers for, it’s the fact they can’t earn independently and are bound to a sponsorship deal that is far below their best interests. It’s a double feck you. What other legitimate sports have their athletes bound like that?
re. Boxing. I know for sure you’d back it over UFC for a performer strong enough to headline PPV events every single time. They can at least negotiate their slices of the pie at every level, which, even as a suggestion would have you booted from the UFC or muted and gagged until you fell in line: see the HW’s.
Is he famous for something else as well? I don’t know why he gets so much attention. Needs to fight some serious opposition, the division’s full of them. Then maybe he’ll warrant the hype
He is a social media personality too, if I'm not mistaken.
Fans and the media let Dana get away with it and will continue to do so though cos he's a character (and in fairness he is funny as feck sometimes.) Your analogy of Vince McMahon is spot on, albeit I've not seen WWE in about 20 odd years, in that he is the 1 person who calls the shots. Equally there is no competition, UFC is essentially is MMA and WWE is wrestling. My dad knows nowt about MMA and calls it "UFC" when talking about it, could be Bellator or anything but it doesn't matter to them.
I think the sponsorship thing is odd yeah but it is what it is unfortauntely. I think it's hard to compare it to other sports because obviously there isn't much like it. If Greenwood came out with Condom Depot on his shorts this weekend then I imagine someone would get them changed pretty quickly for example.
You probably would yeah I agree with that, but it's still for me the worst and most corrupt of all the sports. Equally for a fan it can feck stuff up. Look at AJ vs. Fury it honestly may never happen, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao years after it should of done, Lewis vs Tyson the same. You don't get that in UFC, whilst I'm not saying it's right what they do there is plenty of times top level boxers price themselves out of fights and it just doesn't happen. They also don't make as much as we'd think, I've read quite a bit and watched a lot of documentaries and I'm sure you have as well as you're obviously well read on topics judging by your posts in general in this thread and it's honestly sad the shite they go through. There is UFC fighters like that to so they can't take any kind of high ground either but boxing is/was terrible. I'll give someone like Eddie Hearn his credit he does genuinely seem to care about the fighters and whilst he is probably on screen a bit to much he isn't afraid to laugh at himself and his presence is often to shine a light on the fighters.
Ah. That’ll be why an old fart like me thinks he’s a tosser
I think a lot of fans don’t know any different than a time when Dana/UFC was ripping off its fighters, tbh. It’s all part and parcel of the reality tv pantomime where fighters are seen as a monolith that should just shut up and fight and be grateful for what pebbles from the pot are tossed their way.
Have a look at this and consider how much the earning potential of these fighters is being curtailed by. Then Have a look at this to see the difference between UFC and boxing. As I said before, boxing is more about unscrupulous management and promoters sharking the uninformed and/or uneducated out of their money, not them not getting their due in the first place if they’ve negotiated it. It’s a fundamental difference between UFC’s racket and what happens to a lot of boxers. Boxers also have their image rights unless daft enough to sign them over, UFC fighters do not… it’s an absolute farce; if the Mohammed Ali Boxing Act is ever ruled to include MMA, the shady practices would mostly come to an end. Blacklisting assets would then come under scrutiny that doesn’t even exist currently. UFC is basically Sepp Blatter’s FIFA; needs reform badly.
UFC not only shaft their fighters on the contract, they go out of their way to shut down every earning avenue. Whilst the former can, in some part, be explained away, the latter is unforgivable. Boxing is a shark’s paradise, but at least it can be navigated; the current UFC model is an absolute dead end for everyone but a handful of fighters. I might retract boxing being worse as when all is considered, what the UFC do was seen in boxing mainstream in the 60’s! When it was governed by mafiosi - it’s mental to think the sport has moved backwards since the time Jones had sponsorship deals with Nike almost a full decade ago. They actively worked to shut things like that down!
No UFC this weekend.
PFL (Main event Ray Cooper III vs Rory McDonald) is live now and Bellator prelims are about to start (Main even Gegar Mousasi vs John Salter).
PFL (Main event Ray Cooper III vs Rory McDonald) is live now and Bellator prelims are about to start (Main even Gegar Mousasi vs John Salter).
always interesting seeing a Mousasi fight. As a Dutchman I’ve been following his career for a long time. He was on a 5- fight winning streak, but unfortunately fell out with the UFC. Never got the chance to fight for the title. He was a dark horse for sure in that 185 pound division. I was happy tough that he became a champion in Bellator.
One of my favourites. Currently a 47-7 MMA record
. Could have been champ for sure around the time a one eyed Bisping was holding the division hostage, waiting for that big payday (legend).Hopefully he wins tonight in violent way.
ps. Mousasi vs Adesanya would be a good one.
Great fight but there's no way that was a 30-27. Magomed did better than that.
One of my favourites. Currently a 47-7 MMA record
Hopefully he wins tonight in violent way.
ps. Mousasi vs Adesanya would be a good one.
Bisping did all he could to avoid that Romero fight. Based on longevity one can argue that Bisping ‘deserved’ a title but skill wise he was lucky he did. Rockhold should have taken him more serious during that title fight. He defended his belt against a 40 plus year old Henderson who fought 5 heavy rounds and actually knocked him down if I remember correctly.
Yes, Mousasi Vs Israel would be a great fight. I’d have to favor Izzy if that would happen in an alternative universe. Nobody has unlocked the key in that 185 pound division. Izzy is one of those rare breed of fighters who come along every x amount of years/decade(s). Young in the mma game and he already has an impressive legacy in his division.
Ciryl gane look like another one to me who could set his division on fire with his particular skill set. He reminds me of Izzy in the sense that they have this unpredictable style which opponents can not train for.
I totally forgot that there was an MMA thread in this forum. I’m a major fan of the sport and I’ve been following the UFC for atleast 10 years.
Mousasi with the title defense winning by 3rd round TKO!
And Ray Cooper III wrestlefecked Rory McDonald on the other main event. The guy is a beast.
His next fight vs Mr. VanZant gonna be a good one. Big step up in competition for the latter.
His next fight vs Mr. VanZant gonna be a good one. Big step up in competition for the latter.
Correct, while mr VanZant is undefeated and on a 5 fight winning streak, he has a low percentage of finishing fights off and his last three fights were decision wins. The longer the fight goes, the less chance he will have against an experienced, technical Mousasi. Well, he has something to look forward to going home anyway, no matter the result!
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He has got to be on drugs. Shit posting on Twitter then deleting few hours later.
Wish he would just feck off. It was boring enough even when he could back up the chat.
This
He’s like a bad smell.
usman would seriously hurt Conor. He walks around 190+ pounds off competition and he is improving every fight with Trevor Whitman as a coach. Usman as a three time NCAA DII All -American would take Conor down at will. Also on the standing department Conor’s power wouldn’t translate as effective at 170. During his last two fights he wasn’t able to really hurt Dustin with his trademark power left, let alone Usman at a higher division.
if I recall correctly Usman’s manager ALi did publically say he would offer Conor a chance to fight for the 170 belt but they claim Conor didn’t respond to the challenge.
Conor also has back to back losses and with his injury it will take a long time to recover. Facing Usman is not even realistic I’d argue at this point. I think DC just wants Conor to get hurt, after all the remarks he made on Twitter against DC
Usman is the best/most rounded fighter in the UFC today IMO. He would absolutely rag doll Conor. Awful fight for himusman would seriously hurt Conor. He walks around 190+ pounds off competition and he is improving every fight with Trevor Whitman as a coach. Usman as a three time NCAA DII All -American would take Conor down at will. Also on the standing department Conor’s power wouldn’t translate as effective at 170. During his last two fights he wasn’t able to really hurt Dustin with his trademark power left, let alone Usman at a higher division.
if I recall correctly Usman’s manager ALi did publically say he would offer Conor a chance to fight for the 170 belt but they claim Conor didn’t respond to the challenge.
Conor also has back to back losses and with his injury it will take a long time to recover. Facing Usman is not even realistic I’d argue at this point. I think DC just wants Conor to get hurt, after all the remarks he made on Twitter against DC
I remember when calling out fighters weight classes below them was considered classless. It’s a dangerous situation for any small fighter
Yeah exactly. Welterweight is stacked so fight someone in that division. Also weird the comment that Ali would "let McGregor fight for the belt" he doesn't have any sway.
For a thread that is so adamant McGregor is shite and yesterday's news etc he doesn't half get mentioned a lot!!
This may be because he can't seem to keep his mouth shut and gets into Twitter beefs with people he knows he will never fight.
I reckon it's more cos however much people admit to hate it he generates interest. Its been said if he lost his last fight he'd fade into obscurity etc but that's not happened.
I mean reading that quote he didn't even call out Usman. DC said it?
If he'll never fight them and people know it why do people who "want him to disappear" etc constantly bring him up? It's odd...just don't talk about the guy it's not that hard.
If there's "interest" its because he's an annoyance, not because anyone finds him fascinating.
The guy is clearly a shell of his former self and teetering on the brink of doing one more very stupid thing that will push him over the edge and end his MMA career.
That's still interest though. As I said this thread constantly says they're bored of him, people should stop giving him attention....then give him attention. So which one is it? Its similar to Mayweather was. For them any reaction is a good one as it keeps his name out there.
I seriously doubt that, heard it for every fight since Diaz 1. He'll fight as long as he wants and the interest will always be there.