Chairman Steve
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If ‘Rashy’ is giving him grief, then he’s certainly not the only one.
100% effort, I’m not disagreeing with what your saying. What I’m trying to say is not giving it 100% to make it look bad on Ole in order to get him sacked! That’s just bad character IMO and I don’t like to see it, I think Pogba was behind this when Mourinho and lost the dressing room!But a 100% of what? What should a player do who does not get clear instructions? Run around like a headless chicken to show "he gives 100%"? These are professionals that know that this would be useless at this level. When you don't trust in what you do, you lose your drive to do it, that is absolutely human and happens everywhere.
You need to be convinced by what you are doing to do it well, it is as simple as that.
Shaw and Greenwood
though I think many of our players would like world class if Klopp was coaching
I see your point, yes it is a bad sign if players do this deliberately. Sadly that is just the natural spiral downwards in such situations. Even if you can identify one player leading this kind of rebellion, he can only get the team behind him if they all have lost faith in the manager already. Happens at every club in the world from time to time, always horrible to watch for the fans. Only option you have left is praying the board signs the right replacement fast.100% effort, I’m not disagreeing with what your saying. What I’m trying to say is not giving it 100% to make it look bad on Ole in order to get him sacked! That’s just bad character IMO and I don’t like to see it, I think Pogba was behind this when Mourinho and lost the dressing room!
I think the strategy should be to bring in an head coach in future on a 3 year deal which is analysed by Murtough and Fletcher after 2 years to see if progress is being made and if not to start looking for the replacement. The head coach shouldnt have any previous ties to the club, so sentimentality doesnt creep in (we havent had a successful ex player turn coach/manager anyway). The squad should be built on a specific way of playing. One which we match the head coach to, not the other way around, so a squad structure from the youth to the players bought in to match the structure, not how many shirts will a player shift. For me this is the only way forward.Fair enough. I agree on a long-term strategy. I wonder what the long-term strategy is under Ole, and I'm not being coy, when it comes to how the team plays?
I would prefer an interim manager now and making sure we find a suitable manager for next season as soon as possible (so they can liaise early with Murtough, Fletcher, et al). I just don't think it's to the team's benefit to have this season unravel further. It's a young team, confidence is more fragile without experience, and the good work Ole has done in terms of the atmosphere could quite easily disintegrate if it continues much longer. Think we differ just on our expectations. I don't think Ole will improve it enough from now on.
I think the strategy should be to bring in an head coach in future on a 3 year deal which is analysed by Murtough and Fletcher after 2 years to see if progress is being made and if not to start looking for the replacement. The head coach shouldnt have any previous ties to the club, so sentimentality doesnt creep in (we havent had a successful ex player turn coach/manager anyway). The squad should be built on a specific way of playing. One which we match the head coach to, not the other way around, so a squad structure from the youth to the players bought in to match the structure, not how many shirts will a player shift. For me this is the only way forward.
I don't believe that at all. There might be some players who think like that, but if the majority of the squad is happy not challenging for titles, then you have a massive mentality problem in the dressing room. Especially the new signings came there to win something and had every reason to feel like they were the missing piece to elevate that team, I refuse to believe that someone like Ronaldo, Varane or even Sancho is happy playing that way.But of course. They are on 100s of k a week and don't really have to push themselves too hard to win anything of note. The manager does not demand it, and the board does not demand it.
All they have to do is keep wandering about the pitch looking lost, apologise on social media to fans on a weekly basis, and keep looking forward to the next game.
In other words he doesn't push and of the players so they can all get their fat paychecks without actually trying to improve.
Yes my cousin and son went he said fans were leaving really early. A few went after the 4th goal. He left when they announced the additional time.i heard a lot of the away fans left before the end, can you confirm? That would have never happened when i used to travel to away games
I don't believe that at all. There might be some players who think like that, but if the majority of the squad is happy not challenging for titles, then you have a massive mentality problem in the dressing room. Especially the new signings came there to win something and had every reason to feel like they were the missing piece to elevate that team, I refuse to believe that someone like Ronaldo, Varane or even Sancho is happy playing that way.
Fixed.But of course. They are on 100s of k a week and don't really have to push themselves too hard to win anything of note. The manager does not demand it, and the board does not demand it.
All they have to do is keep wandering about the pitch looking lost, apologise on social media to fans on a weekly basis, and keep looking forward to the next payday.
Indeed, managers can be popular with the players but they also need to be frightened of him as well. A mixture of love and fear is the motivation most competitive sportsmen need. Who could really 'fear' Ole? Klopp and Pep are guys with nasty streaks and aren't afraid to confront when necessary, this is Ole's weak spot.Sad times these days.
I recall a story by Jim White about SAF. It was in his book on the fabulous 93/94 season the title of which eludes me at the moment.
It was about the FA Cup Semi final against Oldham.I think Eric was suspended for the game.
Anyhow we were well below par on the day all perspiration but no inspiration struggling to beat Oldham of all teams.Late on , out of nowhere Oldham get a spawny goal and it looked like our goose was cooked and our bid for the double was over.
White looked over at SAF who looked depressed, defeated , broken on the touchline.For about 5 seconds! He was quickly roaring out instructions, lambasting the ref, the linesman, the United players , everyone.Literally raging against the dying of the light.
White had actually felt sorry for SAF for an instant and thought “ Who would want to be a manager?
Of course the lads responded and Hughes smashed in his famous equalizer in the dying seconds .We thumped them 4-1 in the replay and did the double.
I just never got the sense from Ole that he’s got anything like the minerals for this job.
That's probably the case with some of the players we have but I just cannot see the likes of Ronaldo and Varane being one of them. These 2 especially are serial winners and will not be happy with the way things are going. If they feel our coaching staff is inept, I am sure they will do everything in their power to push for a change.But of course. They are on 100s of k a week and don't really have to push themselves too hard to win anything of note. The manager does not demand it, and the board does not demand it.
All they have to do is keep wandering about the pitch looking lost, apologise on social media to fans on a weekly basis, and keep looking forward to the next game.
Says who? The players who play no matter how badly they do? What do the players who don't play say?
The new guys probably can see the difference between a winning setup and a non-winning setup, between an organized defense and whatever that was yesterday, between a team that can pass and a team that doesn't.
Lost his players? Not a chance.