Obviously you have to make changes because of fatigue but there wasn’t a player on the bench that I thought could change anything. Suddenly the squad depth looked dreadful tonight.
The Make A Fecking Sub Ole Thread
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When I said he doesn’t trust anybody on his bench I never said I agreed with him.
Our bench options in attack are so poor its hard to blame him.
Just wanted to clarify that as its often used as an excuse for him. He spent a hell of a lot of money on trash
But fresh legs can change a game. Other managers seem to figure this out quite quickly
Our former supersub player does not like making subs 
Rashford will have to die on the pitch not to be playing, it’s fecking stupid
Subs do not only have to be attackers. Absolutely undefendable to wait 100 min and run players to the ground.
Because we choose to have a novice manager and let him feck up with our team so he can hopefully develop into a capable manager eventually.
That's a bullshit excuse. There isn't anyone on that bench who could be worse than Rashford today. At worse they would be just as bad, so worth trying if anything to refresh the team and inject some energy.
Who exactly are we to blame when a manager whose had five transfer windows gets to a European final looks to his bench and cannot see a single player he trusts to influence the game, the kit man?
He signed 3 out of that options so surely he has to take some blame?
The game should have been won in that last half an hour, Ole should have rolled the dice, but you just knew he wouldn't. Put it all on the same tired team, and then that ET happened and you just knew we were destined for pens.
We had the best 11 (fit) players on the pitch and there’s not much left in terms of squad depth after that. Who was he supposed to bring on?
It wasn’t about that. Fresh legs were needed. We had them pinned back but could see we were tiring and dropped off. Should have made a sub or two at 70 minutes and then push for the win the last 20.
Not run them into the ground for 100 minutes.
And Villarreal had world beaters on the bench right? You’re pathetic.
It isn't even that. With Ole it's either obsession or cowardice but he always leaves Rashford on however bad he's playing or injured he looks. Greenwood the first to be sacrificed cause he's more junior, even if he's playing better and looks more threatening.
He had Dan James, Mata and Amad on the bench if he wanted to change things up. He could have brought VDB on for Rashford too and moved Pogba at LW. He had options. they might not be the best but they're better than just leaving the same team for 100 mins. He's just a bit of coward and out of his depth.
He brought Fred on for Pogba and settled for heading to pens with a keeper that couldn't save a pen in 100 if his life depended on it.
It's become a bit of a meme between me and my other two United supporting friends. It's been a recurring theme for his time here and it was almost laughable really that we didn't make a sub at all in the 90 minutes The man just doesn't trust his bench - which was his downfall today.
The man just doesn't trust his bench - which was his downfall today.Dan James, Mata, VDB, Amad. Fresh players are better than knackered players especially when the knackered players are playing badly like Rashford was. Was the Villareal bench any better?
Also as others have pointed out, 3/4 of those players I mentioned are his purchases. If they're so bad they can't be brought on as subs against Villarreal then the failure is still his for wasting money on shit players. There's literally no excuses for him on this.
Do you watch many games where the manager doesn’t name his best available starting line up?
Otherwise presumably much of your posting history is demonstrations of bewilderment every time a manager brings in on a sub, arguing that it cannot possibly make sense as the player coming on isn’t as good as the player coming off else the player coming on would have started in the first place.
Everyone needs to pause and consider that now we’re even pretending routine substitutions are baffling occurrences in football to defend his game management.
Managers will nearly always pick their best team and subs aren’t just there in case someone gets injured.
Agree in extra time for fresh legs. In 90 minutes I couldn't see a change.
I think the problem is Ole is not a strategic coach, he's a man managment coach. He cant "afford" to upset any of the best players, he doesnt have the balls to take Rashford or Bruno out, he wont do a thing that compromises the atmosphere of the dressing room.
Greenwood was having a good game and Rashford had his worse game in a long long time, still he subs Greenwood.
He's the type of manager that puts the best players out, works on them being happy and hopes that enough to produce performances and results.
It's quite the psychoanalysis of you think about it. He hated being a sub, he hated what he is famed for, thus he hates substitutes...and he will spend his coaching life trying to rid the game of them.
You're telling that Amad wouldn't have at least injected some energy and skill into the side when Rashford was languishing around for the entire match putting in a performance fit for a Sunday League player? You could say he was playing for penalties, but then why persist with DDG? Instead, he took off Greenwood who was one of our better players, still looked sharp, and has been in much better form in the past month or so than Rashford. Sorry, that's just poor management and/or cowardice. Besides, the likes of James, VDB, Amad, are all (presumably) Ole signings! If you're claiming that he can't trust said players to put in a 30 minute shift to win us a match, then the manager himself is to blame. He put himself and the team in a position where he needs to rely on his bench, but feels like he can't.
Look, it's common sense that you can't win cup titles if you're afraid to replace your bad performing players in crucial games for risk of upsetting them.
There's two options here. He either knows that but he's a bit of a coward so he persists. Or he doesn't know that obvious fact, which would make him a bit dim.
Which one do you think it is?
We were very lucky that Dan James scored the penalty. To anyone who said that he would have made the difference, have we played Dan James when we were trying to win? Dan James to break a tight defense line?
Though I agree that Rashford, not Greenwood, should be subbed out, Rashford was obviously kept there dkr the penalties.
You have to give Villarreal the credit for all penalties scored. Don't be so Anglo-centric. The Spanish sides are all technique masters.
Though I agree that Rashford, not Greenwood, should be subbed out, Rashford was obviously kept there dkr the penalties.
You have to give Villarreal the credit for all penalties scored. Don't be so Anglo-centric. The Spanish sides are all technique masters.
I think its a bit of both, I dont believe the has an strategy besides putting your best players out there and hoping for the best. So he doesnt make substitutes because he doesnt know how to impact the game properly and he is to afraid of fecking it up so he persist with the same players eventhough its clearly not working.
WTF are you on about pal? You're in thread about how the manager is not making subs when he should. You sidestep the entire point of the thread and then you call out the people posting for being "anglo-centric".
You need to stop drinking. And if you're not, then maybe it's time to start.
The reason he never makes subs is because, rightly or wrongly, he only trusts about 13 of his players.
So we’ve settled on the idea no substitutions in football ever make sense because if the player on the bench was better than the players on the pitch they would have been named in the starting 11 to begin with?
The players he bought/renewed in the 5 windows he had here.
Agree with this, but that makes the decision to start with Greenwood even more bizarre.
the same people (like you) who complain at him not making a sub would also complain at him
Bringing on Dan James or anyone else who was on the bench tonight. Oles done a great job of trimming the squad, what we need now is to add the attacking options, maybe Amad will be ready next year but he is too raw at the moment, DVB offers nothing. We need proper competition for places and that only comes with either time or investment. Add sancho and Ings for example, get Martial back to fitness and there’s a bench that offers attacking options. As it stands we don’t have that unless we start with a more defensive side.
If he subs Henderson in for the penalties (as we were all screaming for) we win that. How could he miss that? De Gea cannot save penalties.
So fecking stupid jesus. I can't remember the last time I saw mismanagement like it.
So fecking stupid jesus. I can't remember the last time I saw mismanagement like it.
Who can you bring on? "Run to the corner flag" Dan James to break down a tight Villarreal defence? "Lost at all times" van de Beek?
Why the disdain on Villarreal?
They only made changes because every time their manager looked at the bench he noticed he’d left out someone he didn’t mean to. If he named his best team they too would have remained unchanged for 100 minutes.
This is why substitutions are very rare in football
This is why substitutions are very rare in football
Sir Alex would bring on worse players all the time. He once put John oshea at striker and won. Make a change ffs
He once played Rafael and Fabio as wingers.
Pretty much anyone would have been helpful to freshen the team. We were completely out of gas by the ET.
This argument is really weird. It almost me feel like other teams have Messi and Ronaldo on the bench.
Which world beaters did Villareal have on the bench by the way ?
It's not like Rashford was doing wonders on the pitch. He was garbage.