Wait so are players expect to play for one of the biggest clubs in the world, collect gigantic paychecks, deliver pathetic performances on the pitch and then not get criticized? Jesus we have some of the worst players in terms of character. Bunch of moaners, I mean honestly how big your ego needs to be to lose 3 games in a row, watch the game tapes at home and then decide it's absolutely fine and it's probably someone else's fault.
The leaks against the manager 2023 edition
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Well in the same respect, I doubt our club are that clueless that the first they knew they were releasing De Gea was when they announced it on the 8th July.
Of course. There was talk of the contact that was on the table for De Gea being rescinded from a week or two before. Around the time Bayern became certs to sign Kim min-Jae
Totally agree!
Pretty much. The leftovers here are just as toxic as they were prior to his arrival and now he's come under pressure they finally feel OK to be true to form.
If he ends up getting sacked - which I cannot imagine is anywhere close - my interest in following United will be done until these entitled cnuts are out of the club.
One of the reasons you’re better to just take the hit on getting rid of players and learn from it
Isn’t it quite obviously just Sancho leaking this?
Can’t see who else might be perceiving the “favourites” thing, maybe Maguire? Surely not Pellistri or any of the other youngsters.
Can’t see who else might be perceiving the “favourites” thing, maybe Maguire? Surely not Pellistri or any of the other youngsters.
Very suspicious Luckhurst gets these exclusives where no evidence is required.
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We've seen this smoke too many times to deny any fires. It's very difficult to like players from this squad anymore. They don't have an incentive or inclination to fight, it's a squad lacking a winning mentality, overall.
One way this behavior shows on the pitch is when they start giving up on their 50-50s and stop working off the ball. It's the easiest place to spot the dissenters.
One way this behavior shows on the pitch is when they start giving up on their 50-50s and stop working off the ball. It's the easiest place to spot the dissenters.
It's obviously Maguire, McTominay, Sancho or Rashford.
Get rid of all of them.
Get rid of all of them.
Ten Hag needs to watch that Game of Thrones episode in which Tyrion informs three different advisors of three completely different, contradictory things and waits for which version of the lie gets leaked, thereby finding the leaker.
Does he then have them brutally slaughtered? That wouldn’t go amiss either.
No, the leaker just ends up chained in a dungeon for a little while. I don't know if Carrington has a dungeon, but maybe it should.
That would solve a lot of problems IMO. We can finally implement a proper wage structure which would help us moving on players easily.
At least the Chelsea lads who would get their boss sacked every 3rd season would win a title here and there. Our bunch of losers lose finals and scrape a Carabao Cup, don't start for their national sides and think they're legends
At this point you just have to find common denominators - players who have been here since Jose. Shaw, Rashford, McTominay, Martial. Cant think of any others.
It doesn’t bode well that Ten Hag’s message about no more leaks has itself been leaked to the press.
Potentially a lot of staff members in the background. Could be cafeteria workers over hearing stuff when collecting plates for all we know.
This sort of leak is almost a self full filling problem.
If there isn’t a leak at all, there could
Be players who see this and believe one of their teammates are leaking
If it is true, again the same but this time it’s a lack of trust to be honest in the group
either way it just divides and already stressed group of players who seem to be giving up on trying.
there is no easy solution to this. The worst thing that can happen in ETH is sacked. That will achieve almost nothing.
what we need for sure is a DOF to take some of the jobs away from ETH and others and start to build some infrastructure around the first team that’s based on the future.
If there isn’t a leak at all, there could
Be players who see this and believe one of their teammates are leaking
If it is true, again the same but this time it’s a lack of trust to be honest in the group
either way it just divides and already stressed group of players who seem to be giving up on trying.
there is no easy solution to this. The worst thing that can happen in ETH is sacked. That will achieve almost nothing.
what we need for sure is a DOF to take some of the jobs away from ETH and others and start to build some infrastructure around the first team that’s based on the future.
This reminds of when Bellerein said years ago that the mood in the Arsenal's dressing room improved when Alexis left, because his constant desire to win was "putting too much pressure" on them.
Imagine, just imagine, a player at a club of such caliber thinking this, nevermind saying it out loud and it's becoming more and more evident that we have quite a few players of the same ilk.
Imagine, just imagine, a player at a club of such caliber thinking this, nevermind saying it out loud and it's becoming more and more evident that we have quite a few players of the same ilk.
This is me officially mentally switching off this season. I am tired of this club
First bit if good news all season. Perhaos he's finally getting to them? Those who don't like it should get their agent on the phone and leave.
He got asked on the presser why he was not in the group. Didn't "single him out" . Or you'd prefer to hear a lie that he was injured only to get the inevitable "I am fine " tweet.Whilst it's ridiculous that there are more leaks, I did agree with a poster just today that the players must be getting tired of him constantly blaming them.
This is a telling quote from ETH today.
"At United you have to win every game, so the mentality doesn't change."
Good percentage of our players cant handle that pressure, hence their constant moaning.
"At United you have to win every game, so the mentality doesn't change."
Good percentage of our players cant handle that pressure, hence their constant moaning.
When did this happen? Must have missed it.
Any other employee that is on mega salary innthe corporate world (and I dont mean the owners or shareholders, but hired personnel) is expected to be impeccable in his job .
But no, in football you can get hundreds of thousands pet week and still cant be arsed to consistently perform the basic task associated with your profession, such as sprinting and tracking back.
Nah I do agree to an extent, I'm just not convinced that's exactly what's happening here. Just put your beliefs to one side and consider this:
We're playing Brighton and ETH is asking you to press narrow. They continue to find an out ball to the full back because its impossible to cover the central players and the full back due to distance. Then he digs you out for not following instructions and dealing with the full back. These guys are human, would you not get fecked off with him?
Literally every time we preform poorly or lose, he says the players don't follow instructions. No recognition of the opposition quality, no recognition for the opposition manager. Its a tough he think that, if the players do as he asks, then it's a guaranteed win. Forget what the other manager or team is doing, Ten Hag is right and has the best ideas. He treats them like robots, a lot like LVG used to. But even he had a more personable side to him and had a bit of character to him.
That reminds me of this small quote in Crimson Tide. Very relevant to the situation.
Any crew member who feels he cannot handle the situation can leave the ship RIGHT NOW.
So to use the navy/ships/sailors metaphor here: it's time to drop quitters (namely Sancho, Maguire and McTominay for starters) on rafts in the middle of the ocean. I prefer to rely on younger and less experienced players who ain't quitting yet, because they have everything to prove and critics to shut down.
You must have.
That’s two symptoms of the same illness. Being weak on the pitch then going to cry to the press.
I don't know why, but I'm suspicious of Rashford being on of the "leakers" and anti-ETH oriented. He's good buddy with Sancho and his significant lack of effort(strolling like a model on a fashion week) on the pitch in recent games might suggest that something is wrong. Maguire and McTominay are other two obvious candidates - players manager actively tried to get rid of, but failed(even though he mostly praises them publicly).
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Throw out the players, no matter whom they are. This time we back the manager
Wish I could be as optimistic as some of you are. Knowing how our players tend to be, I doubt there's a well known journalist who just makes things up for the funnies.
They must be winning games left right and center... oh wait
I think the word leak is far too easily applied. It is simply journalists writing stuff, as is what they have to do daily, based on things they hear from sources that may or may not be, to varying degrees, connected and informed. The word 'entourage' comes to mind, club entourage or player entourage. We should be able to practice some sort of media competency as readers/recipients and not always think everything is plain true, let alone directed and purposeful.
But people said that during Ralf's time at United and they turned out to be true later on. Other than Ronaldo and Lingard i can't recall some of the other specifics but i remember the stories being confirmed last season.
We even had people saying the Sancho thing was a storm in a teacup and it was just the press amplifying negative stories about United and it turns out he's now banished from the first team. No smoke without fire and nothing surprises me about the culture at this club anymore.
I’m with Ten Hag here. Good that this came out - it’ll be the English contingent. Sack them all. Zero tolerance.