Haven't we done this all before, it's boring.
What we would be helpful right now are some really juicy leaks about our current owners.
What we would be helpful right now are some really juicy leaks about our current owners.
The leaks against the manager 2023 edition
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This doesn't surprise me at all. Until we get rid of the core of weak players we aren't going to go anywhere, it doesn't matter about tactics or ability. Sports are mostly mental so if you're more concerned with your ego or feelings then you're not going to be a top player.
If you look at United as a company, all toxic companies have toxic leaders who don't put the foundations for a good work environment in place, like the Glazers. United don't have real employees at the company who are competent and intelligent. We have a bunch of people who got their jobs through friends, companies like this are always toxic. The wrong staff get hired and no one cares enough to do anything about it, so all the talent leaves.
Departures were so much more important to us than incoming this summer and that's why this summer was underwhelming.
If you look at United as a company, all toxic companies have toxic leaders who don't put the foundations for a good work environment in place, like the Glazers. United don't have real employees at the company who are competent and intelligent. We have a bunch of people who got their jobs through friends, companies like this are always toxic. The wrong staff get hired and no one cares enough to do anything about it, so all the talent leaves.
Departures were so much more important to us than incoming this summer and that's why this summer was underwhelming.
Yes he is a shit-stirring wanker with close to nothing useful to offer.
I don't know if ETH is the guy, but there is a form with players downing tools for managers, usually when they have had a shred of success. Roy Keane - who many say is a dinosaur - said when Ole was sacked that the players would do it again. We forget how many of that group are still here and have been here for years.
The Rinse and Repeat cycle..
One good season, poor start to the next, players down tools and leaks come out, new/caretaker manager, write the season off, no signings in the January and start again next season. Its boring now. Been going on way too long.
We probably can't even afford to get rid of Ten Hag if they wanted to.
One good season, poor start to the next, players down tools and leaks come out, new/caretaker manager, write the season off, no signings in the January and start again next season. Its boring now. Been going on way too long.
We probably can't even afford to get rid of Ten Hag if they wanted to.
They get paid like kings anyway, so why work hard. Put the feckers in the 21s and play those who will fight.
Back the manager at all cost.
not because i think Ten Haag is going to be the greatest manager ever, but because its different from what we usually do.
not because i think Ten Haag is going to be the greatest manager ever, but because its different from what we usually do.
There was an article in our favorite publication, the Athletic, about this same situation happening with the New York Mets. One player telling one of the team's stars "this is the least-hardest working group of position players I've ever played with." He was advocating doubling down on batting practice and it was falling on deaf ears in the midst of a season-crushing free fall. Mets got rid of the one guy and the team started playing more loosely, but by then the Mets were out of playoff contention.
Some guys, no matter how talented, are just gutless. You can't teach mentality.
The last years have shown us that some players have an immature, childlike sense of entitlement. The cycle repeats itself, as others have pointed out. This must be related to long-serving members of the club who feel they are above scrutiny. For the players to keep their pride and hold their stock high, the manager must be to blame. Also, since when did players decide what the tactical approach should be, depending on who is or is not available?
Perhaps we are already there - the point where players stop being fully comitted because they disagree with the manager.
Then what.
Perhaps we are already there - the point where players stop being fully comitted because they disagree with the manager.
Then what.
Leaks come when the manager loses the players.
People keep saying it's the players fault not Ten Hag like that really matters.
Do you want the club to get rid of every single player and just keep the manager as that's not how football works.
Once a manger loses the players then there's only one outcome.
I'm as sick of this as anyone as it's been the case ever since Fergie left and we just don't learn.
The only way to fix it is to just start again get a proper Director of Football who is responsible for signings.
Get a manager who knows what his role is and who the players actually buy into and maybe just maybe we go forward for once.
There are players we need rid of whether its for on the pitch reasons or what they are doing of the pitch but overall we have some very good players who should be doing better.
That's the manager's role
People keep saying it's the players fault not Ten Hag like that really matters.
Do you want the club to get rid of every single player and just keep the manager as that's not how football works.
Once a manger loses the players then there's only one outcome.
I'm as sick of this as anyone as it's been the case ever since Fergie left and we just don't learn.
The only way to fix it is to just start again get a proper Director of Football who is responsible for signings.
Get a manager who knows what his role is and who the players actually buy into and maybe just maybe we go forward for once.
There are players we need rid of whether its for on the pitch reasons or what they are doing of the pitch but overall we have some very good players who should be doing better.
That's the manager's role
I hope Erik sorts out the men from the soft cnuts in the squad and sends them on their merry way.
I mean, there’s clearly a couple of players who want out/should be sold asap but I don’t believe there’s any unrest other than being wounded at the bad start. If the players themselves aren’t aware of the injury crisis we’re in, it would be extremely weird.
At this point, just hire Coleen to do the investigation and find out who it is.
My opinion of who it is: Rashford/his camp.
My opinion of who it is: Rashford/his camp.
Its true. They even leak the story about being no more leaks!They would if he was on a free. United don't want to let him run down a contract after not offering him an improved deal.
Would be pretty dumb not to offer him a new deal after he scored a third of our goals last season.
Rashford is a) in the team each week and b) not really being asked to do much different so perhaps wouldn't be the first to complain about tactics.
Nah. We've had players undermining managers here since SAF and it so happens it has coincided with the Woodward era when they were rewarded with contracts way way beyond their abilities and performances. That breeds entitlement and laziness. Now, they've seen that the club has invested so much into this average playing squad (which Arnold said himself "spent 1 billion with nothing to show for it") and has taken the position to change managers rather than change players. Most of these players have had many many opportunities and there aren't many who are consistent enough that they could force their way into bona fide top sides. The ones who are consistent or have a great career but getting on here are the least likely in my view to be running to the press.
Getting in a genuine DoF is something the club should have done years ago but now, even with a DoF, they will need to back the manager over any spat with players so there can be absolutely no question who is in charge. If sensible people were running this club they would do all they can to find out who is undermining the manager in the press and excommunicate them immediately, publicly.
I thought the Ten Hag quote...
Was aimed more at Eriksen, who gave up on tracking Sane for the first goal and has given up on tracking his man several times in recent weeks.
Was aimed more at Eriksen, who gave up on tracking Sane for the first goal and has given up on tracking his man several times in recent weeks.
Old Trafford should make a new chant. “If you go crying to luckhurst you’re a prick…. If you go crying… crying to luckhurst…. If you go crying to luckhurst you’re a prick”
Im on ETHs side here, but perhaps the disciplinarian approach is a little too much and has got old after a year.
Does he really command that much respect? To the players, if what he is saying and doing is not working, are they going to go with him? He has not exactly come to England with CV full of success. And he doesn't have the legend status like a Zidane would.
Rightly or not, maybe some do feel that Sancho has been treated harshly and that DDG contract offer being rescinded was bad form.
Perhaps they know that the tactics and instructions that they are being given are not working and that they are making the team perform worse.
We will see tomorrow at Burnley. If there is no response from the team, ETH is in serious trouble.
Does he really command that much respect? To the players, if what he is saying and doing is not working, are they going to go with him? He has not exactly come to England with CV full of success. And he doesn't have the legend status like a Zidane would.
Rightly or not, maybe some do feel that Sancho has been treated harshly and that DDG contract offer being rescinded was bad form.
Perhaps they know that the tactics and instructions that they are being given are not working and that they are making the team perform worse.
We will see tomorrow at Burnley. If there is no response from the team, ETH is in serious trouble.
F em all. Totally behind ETH. I know it's just Burnely but I expect a great response tomorrow. (hope hope)
He's also lazy as feck on the pitch, just strolling around unless he has the ball. I bet ETH has had words with him about it more than once.
Fantastic. These asshole players are going to get another manager sacked. Tired of them.
Even though I think ETH has made plenty of mistakes, I still back him over them. Sadly, the players will win again.
Even though I think ETH has made plenty of mistakes, I still back him over them. Sadly, the players will win again.
Some people are burying their heads in the sand over this. Every time there's a negative story in the press they want to convince themselves it's made up.
We've had leaks about Sancho, we've had Custis story about the dressing room bust up against Brighton, and now leaks about dressing room unrest from Luckhurst. These journos have covered United for decades and follow us to every game all around the world, they're not fabricating it out of thin air.
I'm baffled people have a hard time believing this, it was less than 18 months ago our players were leaking daily stories about how they don't like Ole and then Rangnick.
Once the reports of dressing room unrest start then the end is near. I hope he turns it round but I don't see any way back from here. We've seen this all before under Moyes, LVG, Mourinho, Ole and Ralf. The players just stop trying, confidence is low, results and performances are shocking until eventually the manager has to leave because we can't get rid of 25 players and start fresh.
The only question is do we break the mould and actually persist with the manager this time and let him ship out anyone and everyone he wants to. But we're going to go through some pain in the mean time, because there's no way we're getting top 4 with a bunch of sulking players, and it's a very long term process to completely refresh the entire squad, there's likely several years of finishing outside the CL places.
We've had leaks about Sancho, we've had Custis story about the dressing room bust up against Brighton, and now leaks about dressing room unrest from Luckhurst. These journos have covered United for decades and follow us to every game all around the world, they're not fabricating it out of thin air.
I'm baffled people have a hard time believing this, it was less than 18 months ago our players were leaking daily stories about how they don't like Ole and then Rangnick.
Once the reports of dressing room unrest start then the end is near. I hope he turns it round but I don't see any way back from here. We've seen this all before under Moyes, LVG, Mourinho, Ole and Ralf. The players just stop trying, confidence is low, results and performances are shocking until eventually the manager has to leave because we can't get rid of 25 players and start fresh.
The only question is do we break the mould and actually persist with the manager this time and let him ship out anyone and everyone he wants to. But we're going to go through some pain in the mean time, because there's no way we're getting top 4 with a bunch of sulking players, and it's a very long term process to completely refresh the entire squad, there's likely several years of finishing outside the CL places.
I would back the manager but this club is run by cowards. They will find it easier to replace the manager than the underperforming snakes.
Yep. He does seem to have a case of the Golden Boys about him.
Great player on his day, but his effort doesn't half fluctuate and he hasn't really rounded out his game much these past years.
I don't care who it is - if we find out who's been leaking they need to be gotten rid of. Back ETH 100%
If you're a glass half full sort of person, then the silver lining is it won't take shifting 25 players. He's already got half a first XI of his own choosing and he's got 3-4 young players knocking on the door (Garnacho, Mejbri, Pellistri, Mainoo). He's binned a few already. Maybe 7-8 to go, if that.
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The discontent is more to do with who is no longer at the club and how he was treated.
The attempt to get rid of certain players also upset other senior players.
When they got rid of Lingard and Pogba they failed to get shot of the ringleader.
The attempt to get rid of certain players also upset other senior players.
When they got rid of Lingard and Pogba they failed to get shot of the ringleader.
Not good news for ETH if these dressing room leaks persist. Based on the past, It’s a harbinger of the manager getting sacked.
I hope it’s the players who are gotten rid of this time round
I hope it’s the players who are gotten rid of this time round
I'd give ten Hag an extension to make certain he outlasts these pricks and makes their lives as miserable as possible while they're here. That would probably give most more satisfaction then then football that is being played.
Well, there's so many category of player that need shipping out.. Firstly, any players who are creating unrest in the dressing room needs to go, even if they're one of our better players. Any players who are lazy in their off the ball work need to go. And anyone who isn't good enough for us needs to go. Any player who is old and past their prime can go. Any player who is injury prone needs to go.
There's honestly question marks over almost every area of the squad.
This is the first decent post-SAF manager we've had. If he is forced out then this club is terminally fekked. The Glazers will be force selling a mid table shit show for half what they've been offered.
This is right. I think it may be as few as 5 or 6. Though that number may include Rashford who would be very painful to shift. I hope the club sees it out. I think they will. The upcoming easier schedule and return of some of the injured should produce a few victories which should relieve some of the pressure.
Disagree completely mate.
The problem starts with the owners and the way they set the expectations. In our club players are treated as assets instead of employees. They are offered over inflated contracts to "protect their value" and an insane job security.
Why? Is it because we don't have the DoF? Or is it maybe that the culture of the club is rotten?
You at a team like Brighton and see that they lost their DoF and manager within their last 12 months. And guess what? Nothing changed. You want to know why? A Brighton fan explained how everything started with their owner and their CEO who built the culture of the club.
The Glazers need to realize this very simple truth: that it's not Rashford, Garnacho, Shaw or Bruno who are the assets. It's Manchester United. Every single employee contributes to the appreciation of the said asset or deprecitation. But not by their value, but by the work they put in. If players are downing tools, then they intentionally lower the value of the club. And every employee that lowers the value of the club deserves the boot, be it 1 or all 20 of them.
Now when it comes to the manager he isn't a class clown to make everyone happy. His job is to get results.
Now the problem comes when the manager is trying to get results, but players deem his methods "too intensive". Should the manager be sacked because the players are intentionally lowering the standards of the club they represent by not putting in the effort? Should the manager be sacked because the players intentionally down tools so they can get the man that is not going to be as intense or as demanding on them?
I"ll leave that for you to ponder, but the point is that any title challenge requires excellent planning, execution and superhuman effort. And if any player or group lowers the standard by even 1% because they don't like it, then they deserve the boot.
Ans this s what ETH is trying to do. While the players he signed are exactly world beaters, they all have a heart and have a fight in them, and they keep going no matter what. Lisandro, Onana, Antony, Malacia and even Eriksen with Casemiro(though I suspect their legs are gone) all keep running and giving 100% even when they're not having the best game.
On the other hand players like Rashford, McTomminay, Sancho and even, AWB and Shaw at times, like to "jog" and ball watch. It's as if putting in the effort is a foreign concept for them. They clearly lack urgency and intensity which compromises the team time and time again be it during pressing sequences or even build up play.
I can keep on going, but the point is that we need a cultural reset. I believe And if we fail to back the manager, we will have another conversation like this around the year mark into the next manager's appointment.
Very true. Likes of Steve Mclaren and Co. Its definitely not one of the foreigners because they don't have the relationships with local media that the Brits have. He's been too lily livered with his approach to binning deadwood players. Hopefully this is the wake-up call for him. If you don't clean house quickly, these players and staff will screw you over.
People who think it’s all made up are as deluded as some of the players in the dressing room believing in their own abilities. You just have to watch yesterday’s press conference to see there is a lot going on.
You can tell 100% English players or staff leaked this.
Since not many of them are in the starting 11, it's easy to squeeze out the rats
All the wankers and snakes in that dressing room know fully well that nobody is going to pay them the wages we do. And as soon as their survival is under threat they know what to do. Get rid of the manager and start fresh with the new one knowing they would be given a clean slate for another few years possibly with a bumper contract. Simple.
Let’s analyse who are these rats. Can’t be the players who we just signed. Can’t be ten hag’s previous years signings. Can only be the players who have fallen out or are not playing or having significant less playing time. That leaves us with Sancho, Maguire, Mctominay. Ironically these are also the players who would be closer to the British media than others and also these are the ones who have played under multiple managers and underperformed but are still here. So for them, now it’s time to play another survival game by getting rid of the manager.