If it is McKenna there has to be patience and a big clearout. I worry about players who have big PR machine behind them, yes they all have someone doing social media for them and PR, but some it is on a different scale and those players think they are bigger than the manager.
The Guardian - Manchester United to sack Erik ten Hag after the FA Cup Final
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You need to start looking deeper. Why has Casemiro fallen off a cliff physically? What decisions were wrong? Why did we play so openly inviting pressure non stop? Why did he not play pragmatically when the situation required it?
we can’t blame it all on him, but likewise we can’t blame it all on injuries or the players.
At the end of the day he will be judged on 19 (hopefully not one more!) defeats, shocking CL performance, negative goal difference etc
Leaks started coming after Chelsea sacked poch. Could just be timing, unless you think its intentional
Its like north korea out there man
No, this moron doesn't have any more of a clue than any random caf poster about the inner workings of the club because he has a twitter account and 7k followers.
Well Wilcox was planning, Ten Hag was there though it seems. I don’t think he would have been given any assurances during that meeting only to be binned two days after. What’s he going to say in the pre match presser?
It just seems highly unlikely this guy would get the scoop, he's not broken anything about United, ever. He's just playing the odds and making his article controversial (and therefore popular) by releasing it now.
Ineos have undoubtedly spoken to a load of managers, I'd be surprised if it's not 10+ but that's just what good schmoozing is about even if you're not looking to change, there's no way they decided in the recent past he would be fired though, it was either a decision made yonks ago or it's yet to be made.
I don’t think anyone can make a decision like this without consulting all major shareholders. It would be weird if they weren’t spoken to
He should have been, which if the article above about it being the Glazers who wanted him out, it is typical that we have come out of it looking worse than the manager.
Same players who had put last two managers under the bus. probably will do the same at the next manager but lets keep sacking mangers because of players like rashford.
I thought they weren't making any footballing decisions? If true the fecking bollocks on these cnuts.
What's the alternative?
Give someone 6 years regardless of results and at the end of the 6 years if we're still shit. Go oh well, let's give someone else 6 years?
It's the exact same thing just over a longer period.
I don’t fully buy that, the players were finding last minute winners in big games etc, some of them were trying their hardest for him. Unfortunately this season he’s set them up to fail with his open midfield and he will be rightly judged on results and performances.
any player not going their bit will be caught up with
Putting this down to "player power" might be the quickest way of telling people you don't have a clue. fecking hell.
So what's this then, a brief, or a leak?
It's either horrendous fecking timing, or something the club needs to get a handle on incredibly quickly.
Whatever you want to say about ETH, this isn't the way a proper football club should do business.
It's either horrendous fecking timing, or something the club needs to get a handle on incredibly quickly.
Whatever you want to say about ETH, this isn't the way a proper football club should do business.
Either that’s true and there are some power plays going on OR the agreement if they the glazers will take the blame not INEOS since their reputation is already rock bottom
Indeed we all suspected it but after the final would have been classier.
But yeah as you say, Xmas was the time to sack him. It was clear even back then he wasn't turning it around without abandoning his setup.
He's well connected at Chelsea. They probably caught wind due to talks with McKenna and put it out there with him. Sour grapes maybe?
Aye until the first sign of trouble.
This fan base has zero patience and as soon as we have a bad run/season regardless of the circumstances we want to sack the manager whilst beating our chests shouting 'we're Man Utd'
We will never succeed unless we give a manager a chance even when things aren't going well.
The press know what they’re doing. The cnuts.
If it is McKenna he might just thrive under a regime where he says what he needs and they give him the best options out there. Use the scouting network properly and support the manager properly, not just chuck money at it and hope it works.
Always thought it was likely the news would leak before the final tbh, especially with how much competition there was for new managers. Still maintain he should have been sacked before the cup final but given the news has leaked, I think it's best for the club to announce it officially tbh.
A leak or somebody hedging their bets to get out early before the inevitable does happen.
If it wasn’t for his personality and delusion I’d be all for keeping him.
But I can’t imagine any player being motivated by him, and some of the crap he spouts at the pressers is beyond the point of delusion.
I just remain unconvinced McKenna is a suitable replacement as things stand.
But I can’t imagine any player being motivated by him, and some of the crap he spouts at the pressers is beyond the point of delusion.
I just remain unconvinced McKenna is a suitable replacement as things stand.
The players have been trying for him. If some are a bit soft and always injured or rubbish is a different matter.
That’s disturbing. Those stupid yanks shouldn’t have a say in anything; they’ve spent 11 years destroying the club, they need to sit down and let a proper adult run the club.
Im taking it that’s BS and it was Ratcliffe.
I agree, which is why the McKenna option worries me frankly. I'd have much preferred if he went to Brighton and had success there first to raise players' awareness of him.
Truly horrible timing if proven to be true. I feel bad for Ten Haag, at least let him get this game out of the way first.
First sign of trouble? We haven't played well for over 12 months.
The setup we have he will be head coach I presume, like Chelsea want, but I would hope at least consultation with the manager.
This is one my major concerns going forward.. Theyve got away with it for so long. Its no coincidence this happened to so many managers now. Theres something not right within that squad, I dont if its attitude, some are bad influences on others, cliques etc.. I dont know, but its got to change. Im sure this new regime will identify the problems in the squad and remove it asap.
Alot of them deserved to go before the manager. And yet here we are where they are prob going to get a clean slate again that they dont deserve. I think thats what annoys me the most.
Player power might have been the wrong term to use. but theyve dodged a bullet again.
Another manager bites the dust, this bloody club, complete shambles. 2 years time it'll be the same for McKenna/whoever is stupid enough to take the job next.
Random twitter account: It was the Glazers!
Redcafe posters: "100% sport control
", "That's disturbing"
Redcafe posters: "100% sport control
", "That's disturbing"Who the feck are TransferRadar? Honestly, they're just stirring the pot for mentions and retweets as there's zero chance they know anything. What are their motives for mentioning Glazers?
We have been completely incapable of controlling the tempo of a game against any opposition who actually tries to get at us this season. Including literal Championship teams and even lower opposition. That's due to the manager. And that inability to control a game makes it much more likely that we will implode when the opposition do start throwing everything at us. Yes, that is a discipline / mental thing with the players as well, but when virtually the entire team doesn't seem to know what they should be doing in those situations it becomes a structural issue within the team.
Rashford is the obvious one where it might be true. Maybe Casemiro in the last part of the season as well, although even if that were true I'd say it's only in disgust because of how he's been utterly put out to dry by ETH this season, expecting him to play in midfield all by himself against multiple players game-in game-out. Otherwise I don't think there's anyone out there that isn't trying their best.
I feel that we make an example of Rashford, anyone that stays will fall into line. Let it be an example that you must put in the hard yards and the effort every single match
Too many dominoes falling, really, to ignore. I don’t understand people blaming the club though. The first domino was Chelsea parting ways with Poch, and then approaching McKenna. Second was a journo report we’d made contact with McKenna. Third was the Guardian articles we were sacking EtH after the cup.
I struggle to see all the parallels with LvG, honestly. LvG’s final season wasn’t nearly as bad as this, and LvG said he was blindsided, and apparently offered up his resignation which was rejected and said he believed he was staying on until someone told his wife he was out. (If you believe LvG). I don’t recall the last 3 months of LvG’s reign basically being like, “Are you getting sacked?” like EtH’s has been.
If it’s McKenna, he has a huge history with United and we can’t fault the club if they wanted to find out if he was leaving Ipswich, and determine if he was thinking of going to Chelsea, and decide to tell him to hold off for us. We can bash the club for many things, but I’m not sure if this is one of them.
I struggle to see all the parallels with LvG, honestly. LvG’s final season wasn’t nearly as bad as this, and LvG said he was blindsided, and apparently offered up his resignation which was rejected and said he believed he was staying on until someone told his wife he was out. (If you believe LvG). I don’t recall the last 3 months of LvG’s reign basically being like, “Are you getting sacked?” like EtH’s has been.
If it’s McKenna, he has a huge history with United and we can’t fault the club if they wanted to find out if he was leaving Ipswich, and determine if he was thinking of going to Chelsea, and decide to tell him to hold off for us. We can bash the club for many things, but I’m not sure if this is one of them.
Ten Hag's performance would have merited him a sacking at West Ham. This isn't some injustice or crazy call from the club. And yes, if the next manager underperforms wildly they too should be chopped.
Unprofessional, but to be expected with United.
The right thing to do was to let go of him a month or two ago, or publicly back him until the end of the season ("we will make a decision in the summer months etc."). Not this.
The right thing to do was to let go of him a month or two ago, or publicly back him until the end of the season ("we will make a decision in the summer months etc."). Not this.
If only Ten Hag had that.
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