That doesn't mean the information has to be leaked. Clubs approach managers and players all the time and there's enough professionalism involved to keep it under wraps rather than leaking at such a horrible time. It's frustrating that we now have a pattern of lacking that professionalism.
The Guardian - Manchester United to sack Erik ten Hag after the FA Cup Final
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That doesn't mean the information has to be leaked. Clubs approach managers and players all the time and there's enough professionalism involved to keep it under wraps rather than leaking at such a horrible time. It's frustrating that we now have a pattern of lacking that professionalism.
Good. 6 months too late, but glad the decision has been made.
Are you able to articulate your own opinions? If not, you could just quote the post that you think explains it. I haven't seen any good explanations for the leak in this thread that don't still amount to a lack of care and attention, at minimum, from the club.
This is football. At all levels it's full of illiterate apes who could kick a ball once, and then learned how to teach other illiterate apes how to kick one. These aren't some bright/highly professional people.
Most useless records I have ever seen, who even cares about stuff like this ffs.
Yeah most goals conceded in a season in the clubs history.
Most PL defeats in the clubs history.
Most home games lost in a season in the clubs history.
Who cares about losing games and conceding goals
I am 38. So at least 50 more years to go before we win another league title
I don't know mate, you might be a health and fitness freak, they say the first person to live to 150 years old has already been born. It could be you.
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This is football. At all levels it's full of illiterate apes who could kick a ball once, and then learned how to teach other illiterate apes how to kick one. These aren't some bright/highly professional people.
But this is about club management and representatives, and the managers that they're going after. They aren't illiterate apes, and so don't have that excuse. Or if they are, then that's also a huge problem.
It seems you're too busy celebrating that Ten Hag is going to realise that the way it's been handled is a demonstration that the club has many deep failings outside of the manager. When he's gone, those failings will still remain, just as they have for the past decade.
I have articulated my opinion on this in this thread more times than I care to recall. You refuse to read the thread. That's on you.
That image makes me feel weird and uncomfortable. How is it possible to be that unprepared and disorganised?brother
Good riddance, he's been absolutely awful.
I just want to enjoy watching United again, is that so hard?
I just want to enjoy watching United again, is that so hard?
Yeah this isn't national security we're talking about here. People talk, especially after a few drinks.
This is football. At all levels it's full of illiterate apes who could kick a ball once, and then learned how to teach other illiterate apes how to kick one. These aren't some bright/highly professional people.
No doubt we are still a big club, but really shocking the timing of the leak. Must be tough preparing for the most important match to date, knowing win or lose you are going to get canned. I hope Ten hag end this harrowing season on a high by beating City.
The United job is turning into a very poisoned chalice. I hope our next manager given enough time like Arteta to create the team in his image.
This is really childish, but I guess to be expected given that it's doubling down on an already childish position.
He has been the worst manager we have had since Sir Alex left, I will be delighted to see the back of him. The fact that he still has some supporters is truly baffling to me.
Anyone who can understand the basic fact that having a midfield is pretty helpful in a game of football will be an upgrade.
Anyone who can understand the basic fact that having a midfield is pretty helpful in a game of football will be an upgrade.
Tell Mourinho and Mendes that, as it's pretty much certain that the LVG leaks came from them rather than the club.
It also doesn't have to be the manager leaking it directly. If we've talked to five managers, their agents obviously know and one of them feeds information to the media in return for friendly treatment at a later date. Or hell, the agent might mention it to their son and he goes running to the media for a payday.
Very few things happen in football these days without leaks and/or rumours going on about it first. It's simply too big a business. The bigger the club, the more people want to talk. And there isn't much bigger than Utd.
Every agent and manager the club have sounded out to replace Hag will know he's being sacked. Are any of those people inside the club? No.
Happy?
It's a weird feeling since last year was promising I was full on board with ten Hag, how he handled the Ronaldo and Cristiano situation was marvelous in my eyes. The whole "no bullshit allowed" approach with the players, the 20k running story I was convinced it was a real turning point for this club something we can finally build on after so many poor years.
But this season everything went backwards, awful signings, an incredible amount of injuries, many of those handled really poorly specially Licha's and Shaw's. Plus we've had many disastrous performances in which we've shown so little fight and poor mentality. This year UCL's group had so many shit the bed moments that it must be some kind of record. Specially that 7-0 against Liverpool made me lose faith on the process. I know it's not only or mostly ten Hag's fault but I don't think he's a special manager and we need a special one to compete against City.
Maybe time will prove us wrong and ten Hag will end up doing a great job at another club, but at this time I think we're better off gambling on a new manager rather than persisting another year with him.
But this season everything went backwards, awful signings, an incredible amount of injuries, many of those handled really poorly specially Licha's and Shaw's. Plus we've had many disastrous performances in which we've shown so little fight and poor mentality. This year UCL's group had so many shit the bed moments that it must be some kind of record. Specially that 7-0 against Liverpool made me lose faith on the process. I know it's not only or mostly ten Hag's fault but I don't think he's a special manager and we need a special one to compete against City.
Maybe time will prove us wrong and ten Hag will end up doing a great job at another club, but at this time I think we're better off gambling on a new manager rather than persisting another year with him.
We're not the first club to be sounding out managers at end of a season. There are usually NDAs in place specifically protecting details like the timing of appointments, details of financial remuneration, transfer control, budget, specific player demands, contract signings, etc. The most journalists get post-NDAs is usually a knowledge of the fact that the discussions happened, and that this means that the incumbent manager is probably facing the sack sometime soon. There is no way even these slimy journos will use NDA-protected info as official sources - the outlet would be sued for malpractice. A major outlet like The Guardian will have safeguards in place from that happening.
The knowledge that ETH will be sacked irrespective of the cup final is a very specific piece of information which can only be revealed if someone external violated NDAs - which is a very unlikely, and will imminently result in lawsuits from United. Or - and this is the reason why people are blaming the club - the INEOS themselves were careless about this info at best - either with the NDAs, or with the decision itself.
And how would that look if they do sack him 48 hours after the final?
Methuselah lived for about 900 years but that's a top comeback sirI don't know mate, you might be a health and fitness freak, they say the first person to live to 150 years old has already been born. It could be you.
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The vast majority of football managers (even at the top level) fall in the illiterate apes category.
Remember nearly all of these guys are former footballers - they aren't particularly bright people.
I would argue that if we're going after those people, who are unable to avoid sabotaging their potential new club before a cup final, then the decision isn't a very good one by the club.
By all accounts ETH was told weeks ago that he wouldn’t be here next season.
not worried about it. Just can’t wait til next season and we can put this car crash of a season in the rear view
That lack of professionalism doesn't sound like the kind of people we want in and around the club.
Look at the comparison with Liverpool, who were able to keep Klopp's retirement quiet until his announcement. The fact that they've managed to show the class we haven't leaves a bad taste.
Let's hope this is true.
Can you give a examples of the "all accounts" to which you're referring? The BBC are reporting exactly the opposite here: article link.
Does he need Ineos to tell him that having 1 man in midfield against a midfield 3 is a bad idea?
Does he need a personal call from Jim Ratcliffe go let him know that spending tens of millions on an injury prone player who plays in the same position as Bruno is a weird choice when we only have an inexperienced striker and Martial up front?
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Is Ten Hag no midfield strategy worse than LVGs early incarnations of 352?
I never want a Dutch manager again if they have ridiculous out of date tactics
I'm waiting to be told that the fact that happens multiple times every game is some sort of tactical brilliance ruined by injuries.
Klopp letting the club know he's leaving is a fully internal matter. It's not even comparable. Much easier to keep that under wraps.
It’s a figure of speech. It was talked about already in this thread
https://www.givemesport.com/erik-te... report by the Guardian,the Gunners on May 12.
Well it isn't, given that they were planning for the following season (he was on the record that that's why he informed the club of his decision), and so they'd have been looking into new managers from that point.
Liverpool were able to keep a managerial change under wraps for plenty of time until they chose to announce it, we haven't managed very long and it's been leaked for us on the eve of our biggest match of the season, undermining our preparations.
It's night and day.
Ban media and that journalist from OldTrafford. This is not ok with us playing final tomorrow
Regarding the bolded, is that true no matter who the manager is and how good they are? Even if they fail to an incredible extent, setting all kinds of negative records and leading us to the worst season in modern history?
Obviously you see what I'm getting at.
You don't just give any random manager the time to build the team how they want. People want to bring up Arteta, but Arsenal only got him because they fired Emery after just over a season. Or Aston Villa only got Emery now because they fired Gerrard after less than a season. Leverkuson only have Alonso now because they fired Seoane after just over a season. Liverpool only got Klopp when they sacked Rogers after three seasons. So on and so on.
There's nothing wrong with sacking managers if they aren't capable of improving the team the way that is needed. Indeed, there is everything wrong with not sacking them, and doing that guarantees mediocrity.
Yep, despite the fact the same things were happening at the start of the season before any injuries occurred!
He's a Chelsea journalist, I don't think he's ever at Old Trafford
For those worrying about the Final, the players will probably be hugely motivated by the hope that if they impress they could get a chance next season under manager who has some semblance of an idea about what he's doing.
Maybe this will motivate the players even more
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