The Guardian - Manchester United to sack Erik ten Hag after the FA Cup Final

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Aah good leak. Now watch us get toasted tomorrow .

How are we this clueless ? Does people automatically become clueless when they get associated with united?

Seriously wtf.
 
The right decision but we probably should have made this decision publicly a few weeks ago, maybe when top 4 was mathematically impossible. ETH has been getting asked about his future at every opportunity and now it seems to have leaked the day before the final which isn't ideal.
 
A potential new manager bounce increases our chances of not getting humiliated by our rivals tomorrow. When the players know their manager in the dugout is getting sacked the next day, they're not going to be running those extra yards. Wembley is going to be a bloodbath tomorrow thanks to this leak. Whereas we could've put in a resolute performance under an interim manager.
You would think the players want to win the FA Cup to finish a catastrophic season, regardless of whether or not the manager is staying. They really shouldn't need much more motivation for the final game of the season.
 
Nope. But they must've known there was a possibility this could be leaked on the eve of the cup final, so once they decided he wasn't their man - why not sack him immediately and get an interim in for a few weeks?
Firstly, what interim?

Secondly, a huge amount of the people complaining about this coming out now would have been the same ones complaining about not letting ETH manage the final that he'd got us to. People are just so easy to rile up and complain unfortunately.

Option 1) We sacked ETH and replaced him with an interim. Some pros and cons.
Option 2) We announce ETH is leaving at the end of the season but let him continue until then. Some pros and cons.
Option 3) We let ETH continue on as usual and sack him at the end of the season. Some pros and cons.

Every option had their negatives. No matter which one we went with, we'd have had plenty of people in here saying we'd made the wrong choice and should have done another. Personally I thought ETH was doing such a bad job that I would have went with Option 1 if there was a decent choice who was willing to come in only on an interim basis (maybe Potter?), but none of the three options were clearly better or worse than the others so I was ambivalent to any of them.
 
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It’s unbelievable that he’s persisted with this suicidal set up all season. What’s even more astonishing is the fact there’s still some on here backing him and willing to give him another season and transfer window.
 
As has been pointed out numerous times, this is incorrect.

So where did it come from if not from the club. Leaking doesn't mean deliberately leaking - this information can only have gotten out, the day before a cup final against city, from someone in the club. Its a mess and those in charge have to take responsibility for that mess
 
Disgusting. Now the most toxic club, with the most toxic fanbase. Same people in here who will have been calling for his sacking last September. The United way? What even is that anymore. Absolute banter club.
 
The media do this to us regularly. If we sacked him before the FA cup final people would be saying "how could they sack him before a final and wreck all the preparation" and then if they sack him after if he wins it's "how could they sack him for winning the FA cup". Manchester United generate clicks and half of them are bullshit made up nonsense, but if we are talking to McKenna or whoever then I expect something like that is impossible to hide.

True, but I still think Bayern showed the right way to go about it with Tuchel, and we've now done it the wrong way twice.


I don't think its ruined the build up given that its unconfirmed and is only suggesting something most thought would happen anyway.

Guess it depends how much of a shock it is to ETH and the players. Probably not much of one to the players.

But I think we assumed at the time when it happened to LVG that he would have known beforehand and expected it to be his last game, and later on his quotes suggest it blindsided him a bit. Never underestimate the arrogance of a Dutch football manager.
 
So where did it come from if not from the club. Leaking doesn't mean deliberately leaking - this information can only have gotten out, the day before a cup final against city, from someone in the club. Its a mess and those in charge have to take responsibility for that mess
Every agent and manager the club have sounded out to replace Hag will know he's being sacked. Are any of those people inside the club? No.
 
So where did it come from if not from the club. Leaking doesn't mean deliberately leaking - this information can only have gotten out, the day before a cup final against city, from someone in the club. Its a mess and those in charge have to take responsibility for that mess

If he was told after the Palace game that he would be let go, then this could have come from his came. Bayern, Barca, Milan, Chelsea...all these top jobs are available. Maybe he wants to throw his hat in the ring with things hotting up. Xavi and Pioli have been confirmed out between yesterday and today.
 
They did offer him alternative signings like Pau Torres instead of Martinez, but because he didn't trust the recruitment team, he went with players he knew
I'd take Martinez over Torres. Injuries is what fecked him.

They also suggested Ramos/Kolo Muani instead of Hojlund. Not sure they would have been a better idea. And I didn't hear of any briefed alternatives to Antony outside of Gakpo who was also his own suggestion.
 
I disagree entirely. Why would there be a "new manager bounce" when the interim would be leaving after the match? Who would give a shit about impressing him? Did you miss Rangnick?
If you're going to be condescending by asking if I miss Rangnick then I'll be condescending right back to you - did you not follow United during Ole's initial interim spell?

You would think the players want to win the FA Cup to finish a catastrophic season, regardless of whether or not the manager is staying. They really shouldn't need much more motivation for the final game of the season.
Ideally, you would like to think so, but unfortunately we don't have many Rooney or Keane-esque characters at the club. We have a lot of mopey shits whose performance levels are often centered around how motivated they feel by the manager.

Firstly, what interim?
There were some managers available who would have willing to take the job on an interim basis who likely would've triggered a new manager bounce. Hell, I'd have taken Ole back for a few weeks. He has an excellent head-to-head record vs Pep.
Secondly, a huge amount of the people complaining about this coming out now would have been the same ones complaining about not letting ETH manage the final that he'd got us to. People are just so easy to rile up and complain unfortunately.
Well, you're responding to a poster who wasn't one of those people. I was banging the 'bring in an interim manager' drum on the way home from the Coventry game.
 
It has been though, whether they like it or not, this information can only have come from inside the club
Why :confused:

It could easily have come from the camp of one of the managers we've approached, ETH and his camp, or been nothing but a guess based on what we all knew is the strong probability of ETH being sacked. All of which I would say are just as likely, if not more, than it coming from within the club.
 
No, I'm not. The club cannot stop some snake from outside the club going to a journalist.
Aren’t the Guardian quite well regarded? I doubt they would want to burn their bridges with Utd if it wasn’t a leak from the very top
 
You're kind of proving my point here..

Not really, we can’t delay the recruitment process and there are rules and regulations. We can’t control what others leak to the press, unless you’re suggesting we don’t even start sounding out replacements for fear of a leak.
 
I did. Zero trophies and sacked. Well worth it.
You must've missed the word 'interim' in my post. He went on a record breaking winning run when he was interim manager between December-March. Do you not remember that night in Paris? It was only after they gave him the job permanently that performances started to decline.
 
Aren’t the Guardian quite well regarded? I doubt they would want to burn their bridges with Utd if it wasn’t a leak from the very top
I would say the journalist in question has absolutely burned his bridges with Utd.
 
You must've missed the word 'interim' in my post. He went on a record breaking winning run when he was interim manager between December-March. Do you not remember that night in Paris? It was only after they gave him the job permanently that performances started to decline.
We're talking about bringing in an interim for one game who has no chance whatsoever of being made permanent. Totally pointless.
 
So where did it come from if not from the club. Leaking doesn't mean deliberately leaking - this information can only have gotten out, the day before a cup final against city, from someone in the club. Its a mess and those in charge have to take responsibility for that mess
If the rumour about McKenna saying no to other clubs is true, there’s people involved there who are nothing to do with United. Plenty of other managerial rumours and other possibles.

At the end of the day, some outlets (and Jacob thingy is not a big name journo?) run stuff… clubs never do anything unless serious lies/damage. Journo just says “that’s what my source told me, things obviously changed”.

Well likely find out manager for next season in a couple of weeks so not that long to wait. If it was club leaking, we’ll know that too… definitively
 
No, I'm not. The club cannot stop some snake from outside the club going to a journalist.

They can keep their cards closer to their chest obviously. Why would anybody being 'sounded out' need to know he's 100% gone either way, as was reported? Why not just say we're looking seriously at replacements pending review end of season and tell anybody we seriously like to sit tight until 28th May before accepting elsewhere for example. You're convincing yourself that this leak is anything but a shit show before a cup final and is somehow different to the Woodward circus. It isn't, they've failed their first proper test
 
There were some managers available who would have willing to take the job on an interim basis who likely would've triggered a new manager bounce. Hell, I'd have taken Ole back for a few weeks. He has an excellent head-to-head record vs Pep.

Well, you're responding to a poster who wasn't one of those people. I was banging the 'bring in an interim manager' drum on the way home from the Coventry game.
I also had the preference of getting an interim (I myself pointed out Ole's record against Pep in those discussions). However I recognise that none of the options were clearly right or clearly wrong, so I'm not fussed or going to be upset with the negatives of whichever option the club took. It is what it is and there simply was no 'correct' choice.
 
They can keep their cards closer to their chest obviously. Why would anybody being 'sounded out' need to know he's 100% gone either way, as was reported? Why not just say we're looking seriously at replacements pending review end of season and tell anybody we seriously like to sit tight until 28th May before accepting elsewhere for example. You're convincing yourself that this leak is anything but a shit show before a cup final and is somehow different to the Woodward circus. It isn't, they've failed their first proper test
Believe whatever you like. You asked how it could have come from outside the club and multiple people have told you.
 
Hopefully this shitshow season will be the final nail in the 'give them to the summer/give them one more season even though all the wheels have come off and we're flailing miserably' philosophy.
 
Yes, the leak came at a bad time, but is it even possible for this team to become more destabilized?
Anyway, LVG had known he was gonna be sacked as well...
 
It has been though, whether they like it or not, this information can only have come from inside the club

The guy with the story is a Chelsea journo. We're going for the same manager targets. If someone (likely McKenna) has declined them for us, they'll have been told so. They have a good reason to want to throw a spanner in the works of our cup final prep (if we win, we get Europa at their expense).

Doesn't have to have come from within the club at all. If we're working on managerial targets, which we should be, plenty of people outside the club will have to know. Chelsea are just the ones with something to gain, and one of their journos has leaked it.
 
True, but I still think Bayern showed the right way to go about it with Tuchel, and we've now done it the wrong way twice.




Guess it depends how much of a shock it is to ETH and the players. Probably not much of one to the players.

But I think we assumed at the time when it happened to LVG that he would have known beforehand and expected it to be his last game, and later on his quotes suggest it blindsided him a bit. Never underestimate the arrogance of a Dutch football manager.

I disagree. I think Bayern sunk their season...much like Liverpool did...by announcing that so early.
 
We're talking about bringing in an interim for one game who has no chance whatsoever of being made permanent. Totally pointless.
No we're not. We were talking about bringing in an interim manager for 7 games to steady the ship from April-June. It's not unheard of in football. Quite often you see clubs reap the rewards of doing that, instead of seeing sacking leaks emerge on the eve of our most important game of the season.
 
now imagine he has 4 defenders with recovery pace who can play closer to half line and allow us to compact the game. Go figure
So rather than adapt, it’s better to play suicidal tactics in the meantime? Gotcha.
 
So where did it come from if not from the club. Leaking doesn't mean deliberately leaking - this information can only have gotten out, the day before a cup final against city, from someone in the club. Its a mess and those in charge have to take responsibility for that mess
An agent whose client we have been talking to?
 
now imagine he has 4 defenders with recovery pace who can play closer to half line and allow us to compact the game. Go figure
So he's setting the team up in a way that isn't suitable for the players he picking? That makes everything OK then.
 
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