I thought you had to bid money in the first round otherwise the pick was invalid?
The Fourth RedCafe Sheep Draft
- Thread starter The Stain
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At the end of the draft, you should invite us to the mod convo with Stain. Your reactions to our cleverness should be fun to read.
We tried use a time which was not too far from all timezones. Let's face it, it's far more brutal in Werewolf and loads of you play it.
In fact, most seem to be around at deadline anyway. Just bite the bullet and wake up 4am the one day you have to.
This seems a bit excessive/unnecessary to me, given that you’re going for a full 16 format for the knockout stage.
Isn’t it sufficient that people simply post/PM a shorter list of what they consider the weakest squads?
Assessing 15 x 14 players strikes me as a bit of a tedious task, and it could end up with people just glancing over the rosters anyway, deciding which couple of squads are best - and worst. Those in between will be a bit pointless, to put it like that.
I really enjoy the format guys, thanks for the fun! Trying to get the best of it while recreating a combination of two sides from previous drafts(getting the best of Xavi) on the way and ironing out some of my ideas.
Beckenbauer would've slotted in like a glove but now that chance is gone(wanted him more than Ronaldo which says a lot). Still plenty of quality players and picks ahead which makes it exciting.
Not really, I tend to write while he sleeps. We only manage a couple of hours overlap a day and focus those on planning shit.
Possibly. Let's see how many teams we end up with first.
It seems I've misread something anyway. I'm sure I saw somewhere that @Šjor Bepo didn't bid any money but I've just woke up so God knows.
is right.
Besides it will showcase some of the favorite teams in the draft which can have effect on games later making them a bit of a dead rubbers.
PMing a shortlist of 5-6 teams which are the weakest would be sufficient IMO.
There has definitely been some good moments. I'll do a summary of this round at the end of it.
Sounds good to me.
Bit the bullet and submitted my pick.
Adding to Chester's point above...Do we have a reinforcement round after the 16 is finalized though ranking? if not, the formation already posted will be the same when R1 is being played....which would make it a very pedestrian round.
There will be.
Surely these two posts combined mean Sheva should never have blown up meaning Ronaldinho wouldn't have been taken out either??
@The Stain @antohan
Just don't make public the order in which teams were ranked but just announce who made/didn't make the cut.
There it is! The rationale for ranking was it didn't consist solely of a list of teams to be kicked out, which half of you reverse shitheads would chicken away from.
I suppose I should have thought about secret voting by PM.
In any case, we will probably lose a couple of teams + some will chicken out and beg to be withdrawn.
We may struggle to find 16 willing teams actually even when we just keep shoving GOAT picking opportunities down your throats.
They blow up if they're picked.
That's what the sheep draft is for! A good laugh to change it up from the regular ones. I think we provided a laugh this round too, hopefully.Nope, there's one after the R16 matches but not before. Pillow is asking for reinforcements after successfully making the cut, which makes no sense as they haven't even played a game yet.
But then we'll play with the formation already displayed for making the cut? The formation submitted for the cut will be the best formation, so no point altering it for R1.
Knowing opponent's formation beforehand will take away a lot from R1.
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Initial budget: 100 millions.
I used a Cheat Card in order to offer 14 millions for Garrincha while some offered much more money for him. Clever indeed
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Oh right I thought you had to bid pick 1 for it to be eligible. Ah well live and learn. I've submitted my next pick anyway just got confused
yeah makes it more neutral rather than seeing what others suggested and agreeing with them
getting sheep in successive rounds is discouraging,especially in the early rounds(while others pick GOAT's), so I can understand some. But in the meantime - we're in round 4 and there are plenty of great players that will come in next rounds, so nothing is lost yet.
You're such a meanie. But i'm an advocate of less re's so initial drafting has a more important role.
Edit: Sorry, ofc there won't be re's after that.
It’s not about privacy, obviously. I’d have no objection to posting a “bottom six” or whatever list openly.
There are two factors in play, as I see it:
1) It’s a chore to assess 20 teams. Many won’t be arsed to do it - they’ll basically pick a top 3 or whatever, and then decide which teams do not deserve to get through. The latter will be the focus of the thing.
2) Having an “official” 1-16 ranking will very likely influence the rest of the draft. People will refer to this ranking in various ways, which may become a problem in match threads. Maybe it won’t be a problem - but then again why risk it, what is the upside to such a ranking?
There are two factors in play, as I see it:
1) It’s a chore to assess 20 teams. Many won’t be arsed to do it - they’ll basically pick a top 3 or whatever, and then decide which teams do not deserve to get through. The latter will be the focus of the thing.
2) Having an “official” 1-16 ranking will very likely influence the rest of the draft. People will refer to this ranking in various ways, which may become a problem in match threads. Maybe it won’t be a problem - but then again why risk it, what is the upside to such a ranking?
Re my post above. It means we'll display the formation first and then play the game later with known formations. Not optimal, imo.
In one it's generic, in the other it is tailored to a rival so not necessarily the same.
Also, you are being awfully optimistic if you think formations will be anything but predictable. It's not like the squad of 14 is looking that big now, is it?
Yeah, I'm not complaining. I'm just dealing with it.
However, an AM will make my job much easier, so if anyone's around to AM me and help out with the difference in time zones, I'd appreciate it.
@Invictus @BorisDeLeFora @Marty1968 @anyone else who sees this
I thought that we'd just display the full squads. There's no mention anywhere in this thread of an XI being displayed to showcase the team.
EDIT: I saw it in the OP. My bad...
What I’d do is this:
After the drafting is over, have the managers look at the squads and then post (or PM - whatever you want) a list of the worst ones.
Then these - the worst ones by manager consensus - are removed.
People assess the squads - no formation pics or XIs are posted anywhere.
So, when the first round kicks off, the formation pics, roles, write-ups, etc. will not be old news to those who have followed the draft.
After the drafting is over, have the managers look at the squads and then post (or PM - whatever you want) a list of the worst ones.
Then these - the worst ones by manager consensus - are removed.
People assess the squads - no formation pics or XIs are posted anywhere.
So, when the first round kicks off, the formation pics, roles, write-ups, etc. will not be old news to those who have followed the draft.
I've always been a big fan of the surprise element, but this is nonsense. You are not even playing a game, just posting your formations next to each other in a multi-game poll. And again, squad of 14 allows you to be original if you want to.
We are not adding a reinforcement round for the sake of it. End of.
Assessing the squads from outside will probably look like comparing the amount of sheep in the team, I'm afraid.
To be honest I would've been happier with a few heavily involved neutrals (or even just The Stain with anto) picking the teams that won't go further
To be honest I would've been happier with a few heavily involved neutrals (or even just The Stain with anto) picking the teams that won't go further
I find it hilarious you guys are thinking so far ahead.
I don't think @The Stain cares how we cut down. We just wanted it to be a fair process. Anything that gets us to 16 is a goer afaic.
Trust me, you're better off not having me handle the picks in any capacity. First 4 picks were FAIL, and after quitting - when a separate manager asked me to relay his pick to the draft manager (after I'd warned him not to because of contamination issues), that ended up being a Landmine.However, an AM will make my job much easier, so if anyone's around to AM me and help out with the difference in time zones, I'd appreciate it.
@Invictus
The Stain knows what's up.
Nein nein nein. Ref above.
Yes, there's that. Still, a manager who has to field sheep (i.e. who doesn't have 11 non-sheep available) will in all likelihood have a worse team than those who can field full non-sheep teams.
And 2 sheep are generally worse than one, etc.
But, yes - if you want a proper evaluation of the teams, you have to have formation pics and explanations of roles and the full monty, really.
I prefer the managers send their 'worst teams' via PM in order to avoid potential hard feelings.
Trust me, you're better off not having me handle the picks in any capacity. First 4 picks were FAIL, and after quitting - when a separate manager asked me to relay his pick to the draft manager (after I'd warned him not to because of contamination issues), that ended up being a Landmine.
The Stain knows what's up.
Nein nein nein. Ref above.
Keep Raees and Invictus away from bamboozle drafts is the lesson we are learning all too well.