The First Redcafe Sheep Draft

They also had this god awful show where coloured teams competed with each other doing spastic tasks like running over a pool stepping on floating stuff along the way, or battled with giant ear candles while keeping their balance on a log (know which one I mean? I saw something very similar in Japanese TV years later). The commentary was hilarious because it was a German chap who spoke Spanish with a heavy accent and a very strange sense of humour. He tried to sound excited about what was going on but it felt like watching a documentary with idiots getting soaked and muddy.
There was a German version of that shit? Really? I never watched much TV other than sports, so I'm not surprised that I missed it :lol:, sounds god awful.

Anyhow, point is, being the underdog lover I am I watched Bayern but supported Koln (Littbarski :drool:), Werder Bremen and Leverkusen subject to who was playing for them/mounting a challenge. It was more an All But Bayern thing which had no basis other than Bayern being the big team in recent times (and Matthaus). I loved watching Bayern though and Otto Renhagel actually made my life even harder when he moved there from Werder. That said, by then I was mostly following Juve and then the Milan teams in Serie A, with occasional La Liga (I tried avoid it as Real were rampant and it was fecking annoying).
We fired him soon enough and gifted Beckenbauer's CV with the UEFA Cup win, so your suffering should have been over after 10 months ;).
 
I remember how crazy people were about those Serie A shows when I moved to the UK. There I was going "what's the big deal? it's the fecking English League I've been dying to get a glimpse of" :lol:

What was it like in Uruguay back then - did you have regular broadcasts from Spain and Italy? More so than we did in Europe (apart from those countries, of course), I would imagine?
 
Indeed - I would've been...16...when the Football Italia thing was launched on Channel 4. It had a lot to do with Gazza, of course - so in that sense the old booze hound certainly did us a great service. But in general a revolution took place in those years - following Sky. The whole concept changed, really. For worse in one sense - but in terms of what you, as a lowly fan, could actually get your hands on from the world of football it was magnificent.

Perhaps its just nostalgia playing tricks but i think it was better back then. Now, when Utd play someone in the CL we pretty much know all about them. No mystique. Even more so when a World Cup comes along. There is pretty much no chance of a Cameroon or a Denmark shocking the world ever again. Or even a youngster coming out of nowhere and taking the tournament by storm. We've already seen them via you tube and other social media.
 
We fired him soon enough and gifted Beckenbauer's CV with the UEFA Cup win, so your suffering should have been over after 10 months ;).

TBH, I had no real attachment to him as a manager, his name just sounded cool the way the commentator said it. I seem to have this thing with names, same with Leo Beenhakker, for no particular reason really.
 
Perhaps its just nostalgia playing tricks but i think it was better back then. Now, when Utd play someone in the CL we pretty much know all about them. No mystique. Even more so when a World Cup comes along. There is pretty much no chance of a Cameroon or a Denmark shocking the world ever again.

Damn right. If you ask me, at least. That's an aspect of the World Cup we'll never have again. Individual players, not least, that came with a vague reputation of greatness - and then either thoroughly fell flat...or blew you away! There's too much bloody information available these days.

*Coughs and yells at grandson to fetch slippers*
 
TBH, I had no real attachment to him as a manager, his name just sounded cool the way the commentator said it. I seem to have this thing with names, same with Leo Beenhakker, for no particular reason really.
Beenhakker really is a brilliant name :lol:. Rehagel is not.
 
What was it like in Uruguay back then - did you have regular broadcasts from Spain and Italy? More so than we did in Europe (apart from those countries, of course), I would imagine?

For the entire 80s all we seemed to have on TV was German/Italian/Spanish football. It was actually harder to follow Argentinian and Brazilian football but we got to play them regularly enough to know their better teams and players. Largely followed Argie football via El Gráfico (cracking football mag, shat on anything I later saw in Europe).

The English league was out of bounds though, it was only when cable arrived and took the rights for the domestic league that the free-to-air channels started showing results and goals as they couldn't show the local ones. This was roughly around when Giggs came through, I distinctly remember when Cantona joined us because that's around when I made it a routine to watch the Premier League goals. Goals being the operative word, the standard beyond the goals wasn't much good once I got access to it :(
 
Beenhakker really is a brilliant name :lol:. Rehagel is not.

It was the Otto bit, most German name ever if you ask me. It's hard to comprehend for you, I know, but for someone in South America who had never travelled beyond SAM countries that was quite an exotic name.
 
I was thinking a bit harder about what I'd like my team to turn out looking, and turns out I want 7 players who played in the city of Milan. :lol:
 
Perhaps its just nostalgia playing tricks but i think it was better back then. Now, when Utd play someone in the CL we pretty much know all about them. No mystique. Even more so when a World Cup comes along. There is pretty much no chance of a Cameroon or a Denmark shocking the world ever again. Or even a youngster coming out of nowhere and taking the tournament by storm. We've already seen them via you tube and other social media.

Aye, I miss them days :( Except for the pasting we got against Denmark, that is.
 
Beenhakker is indeed a quality name!

Edit: I miss the days of managers sat in the dugout with a big fat fecking cigar in their mouths. That instantly made them a tactical genius in my young eyes. Lippi I think always had one?

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"My God look at that. There's no way we can beat his team"
 
For the entire 80s all we seemed to have on TV was German/Italian/Spanish football. It was actually harder to follow Argentinian and Brazilian football but we got to play them regularly enough to know their better teams and players. Largely followed Argie football via El Gráfico (cracking football mag, shat on anything I later saw in Europe).

The English league was out of bounds though, it was only when cable arrived and took the rights for the domestic league that the free-to-air channels started showing results and goals as they couldn't show the local ones. This was roughly around when Giggs came through, I distinctly remember when Cantona joined us because that's around when I made it a routine to watch the Premier League goals. Goals being the operative word, the standard beyond the goals wasn't much good once I got access to it :(

Always great to hear such details, man - and the ones you posted above too. How come you were attracted to United? And how early was it?
 
No need to rush, crappy, you get your 3rd sheep soon enough ;)
 
Damn right. If you ask me, at least. That's an aspect of the World Cup we'll never have again. Individual players, not least, that came with a vague reputation of greatness - and then either thoroughly fell flat...or blew you away! There's too much bloody information available these days.

*Coughs and yells at grandson to fetch slippers*

You would look forward to every game hoping to get a glimpse of all those you largely knew based on pre-WC special mags with details on key players. Toni Polster in 1990 (feck it, no one will, will they) rings a bell, I had a faint recollection of seeing him somewhere but apparently he was eating defenders alive.

Not really.
 
You would look forward to every game hoping to get a glimpse of all those you largely knew based on pre-WC special mags with details on key players. Toni Polster in 1990 (feck it, no one will, will they) rings a bell, I had a faint recollection of seeing him somewhere but apparently he was eating defenders alive.

Not really.
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If you guys need to look for a sheep for me, he's Heskey-esque and I would cry if I had to argue his case.
 
You have to pick THE Uruguayan superstar of 90s/earlys 00s, anto. Surely.

No chance, can't stand him. Played for Nacional, for starters. Also lives in the building next to mine and is quite a tit, made a big fuss about his Hummer not fitting in his allocated garage spot. A Hummer FFS, what does he need that for here?

A current Uruguay international lives in my building and has a completely different approach. We park next to each other and hardly fit so he gets off his car and pushes it in, otherwise he would keep knocking his door into my car.

Yeah, car parking is an issue here. The seaside buildings weren't made thinking about people having so many cars :lol:
 
I'm off to bed, gents. Good night and happy valentines!

feck the missus is goona kill me...
No chance, can't stand him. Played for Nacional, for starters. Also lives in the building next to mine and is quite a tit, made a big fuss about his Hummer not fitting in his allocated garage spot. A Hummer FFS, what does he need that for here?

A current Uruguay international lives in my building and has a completely different approach. We park next to each other and hardly fit so he gets off his car and pushes it in, otherwise he would keep knocking his door into my car.

Yeah, car parking is an issue here. The seaside buildings weren't made thinking about people having so many cars :lol:

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Quality. Wish I lived next to some Welsh players. I'd probably not recognize them, but still.
 
No chance, can't stand him. Played for Nacional, for starters. Also lives in the building next to mine and is quite a tit, made a big fuss about his Hummer not fitting in his allocated garage spot. A Hummer FFS, what does he need that for here?

A current Uruguay international lives in my building and has a completely different approach. We park next to each other and hardly fit so he gets off his car and pushes it in, otherwise he would keep knocking his door into my car.

Yeah, car parking is an issue here. The seaside buildings weren't made thinking about people having so many cars :lol:
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No chance, can't stand him. Played for Nacional, for starters. Also lives in the building next to mine and is quite a tit, made a big fuss about his Hummer not fitting in his allocated garage spot. A Hummer FFS, what does he need that for here?

A current Uruguay international lives in my building and has a completely different approach. We park next to each other and hardly fit so he gets off his car and pushes it in, otherwise he would keep knocking his door into my car.

Yeah, car parking is an issue here. The seaside buildings weren't made thinking about people having so many cars :lol:
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I once shared a lift in St David's with ***** *******, seemed a nice bloke.

Nice.

Heard mixed reports on ******* tbh. Some say he was arrogant, others say he was a "top man"

Probably Swansea fans who thought he was a knob.
 
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Always great to hear such details, man - and the ones you posted above too. How come you were attracted to United? And how early was it?

I always wanted to get to see what United and Liverpool were all about. Arsenal as well as my uncle supported them. I'd say that young Giggsy and Eric goals created a preference, but by the time I got to the UK we were the top dogs and the underdog lover in me rejected that. I watched a derby and clearly disliked Liverpool (Ruddock days) but couldn't bring myself to support the big side... so I supported Southampton through the lazy bugger's years. I didn't like the spice boy shit going on later either.

But even after beating United 6-3 I found no joy in that. It was clear I liked the playing style, the philosophy, the history... but I held on to the Saints for a while. It was the CL that got me to come to terms with it all. Precisely those "beauty at night" displays, and effectively being an underdog to the Juves and Reals of this world (and the games were far more interesting than the fodder at The Dell, with the only source of attraction fading). Losing to Dortmund actually hurt a bit, and by the time I was cheering United goals against Barca I knew it was all done and dusted really.
 
I always wanted to get to see what United and Liverpool were all about. Arsenal as well as my uncle supported them. I'd say that young Giggsy and Eric goals created a preference, but by the time I got to the UK we were the top dogs and the underdog lover in me rejected that. I watched a derby and clearly disliked Liverpool (Ruddock days) but couldn't bring myself to support the big side... so I supported Southampton through the lazy bugger's years. I didn't like the spice boy shit going on later either.

But even after beating United 6-3 I found no joy in that. It was clear I liked the playing style, the philosophy, the history... but I held on to the Saints for a while. It was the CL that got me to come to terms with it all. Precisely those "beauty at night" displays, and effectively being an underdog to the Juves and Reals of this world (and the games were far more interesting than the fodder at The Dell, with the only source of attraction fading). Losing to Dortmund actually hurt a bit, and by the time I was cheering United goals against Barca I knew it was all done and dusted really.

This is similar to how I started supporting United. I have watched English league and CL football since 98. It was only in 2001/2 season I realized I was actively supporting United when Arsenal had that painful league win
 
I always wanted to get to see what United and Liverpool were all about. Arsenal as well as my uncle supported them. I'd say that young Giggsy and Eric goals created a preference, but by the time I got to the UK we were the top dogs and the underdog lover in me rejected that. I watched a derby and clearly disliked Liverpool (Ruddock days) but couldn't bring myself to support the big side... so I supported Southampton through the lazy bugger's years. I didn't like the spice boy shit going on later either.

But even after beating United 6-3 I found no joy in that. It was clear I liked the playing style, the philosophy, the history... but I held on to the Saints for a while. It was the CL that got me to come to terms with it all. Precisely those "beauty at night" displays, and effectively being an underdog to the Juves and Reals of this world (and the games were far more interesting than the fodder at The Dell, with the only source of attraction fading). Losing to Dortmund actually hurt a bit, and by the time I was cheering United goals against Barca I knew it was all done and dusted really.

:D And there was no going back! :devil:
 
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I always wanted to get to see what United and Liverpool were all about. Arsenal as well as my uncle supported them. I'd say that young Giggsy and Eric goals created a preference, but by the time I got to the UK we were the top dogs and the underdog lover in me rejected that. I watched a derby and clearly disliked Liverpool (Ruddock days) but couldn't bring myself to support the big side... so I supported Southampton through the lazy bugger's years. I didn't like the spice boy shit going on later either.

But even after beating United 6-3 I found no joy in that. It was clear I liked the playing style, the philosophy, the history... but I held on to the Saints for a while. It was the CL that got me to come to terms with it all. Precisely those "beauty at night" displays, and effectively being an underdog to the Juves and Reals of this world (and the games were far more interesting than the fodder at The Dell, with the only source of attraction fading). Losing to Dortmund actually hurt a bit, and by the time I was cheering United goals against Barca I knew it was all done and dusted really.

Hey - that only source of attraction would do nicely for me, going for a certain kind of theme. But not this time around. Brilliant player, though. As was that compatriot of yours you don't like - parking or no parking. But he never quite made good on his promises. And I'm sure you're right he's a twat :lol:

If I'm going for anyone in this draft it will be a different compatriot of yours anyway - the older one.

But for now I'll leave you with this (with the name edited out, as he's actually eligible - I'm on my fourth pint now, give me four more and I'll pick him):

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Lads, I'm going to be offline for a few hours. I should be back well before midnight (GMT), though - so if the last manager submits and you proceed there shouldn't be too terrible a delay to the proceedings if I end up having my man blocked.

See you soon.
 
Don't even think about it Chesterle! I'm still kicking myself for not taking him in the first round!