The First Redcafe Sheep Draft

Balu said:
It was a bit of a boring round for me, I was sure my pick is safe, but he's too important to take a chance. Let's see what happens now, 10 players going into round 2 should produce a few sheeps :lol:.
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Similar here with my next three targets not available. The upside is no one can pick them now either. I take it you went for a certain midfielder?

BTW, not being pedantic, just think you would like to know: the plural for sheep is sheep, even when it's Djemba-Djemba
 
Glad we got our first attempt through this time. Get to sit back and watch the impending carnage (hopefully).
 
Round 4 Pick 2 Results

Thisistheone - Fail (player already picked)
crappycraperson - Pass
VivaJanuzaj - Fail (player already picked)
Gio - Fail (player already picked)
Cutch - Pass
Pippa - Pass
Polaroid - Fail (player already picked)
MJJ - Pass
Stobzilla - Pass
Jayvin - Pass

BANNED LIST : Romario, Roy Keane, Fernando Redondo, Alessandro Nesta, Phillip Lahm, Frank Rijkaard, Cristiano Ronaldo, Paolo Maldini, Marco Van Basten, Lionel Messi, Ashley Cole, Bixente Lizarazu, Thierry Henry, Luis Ronaldo, Lothar Matthaus, Ronaldinho, Luis Figo, Javier Zanetti, Gabriel Batistuta, Xavi, Franck Ribery
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
@crappycraperson @VivaJanuzaj you TOSSERS! :mad:

Batigol was the last piece of the core of my team. He was to be my first choice next pick.

Aaaargh! Damnation awaits for both of you!
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How can you be so sure he'll fit the next category?
Anyway I'm mad at myself, basically last round I was conflicting between him and Matthaus, ended up going for the latter because of a coin toss. He should've been mine! :D
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Round 4 Pick 2 Results

Thisistheone - Fail (player already picked)
crappycraperson - Pass
VivaJanuzaj - Fail (player already picked)
Gio - Fail (player already picked)
Cutch - Pass
Pippa - Pass
Polaroid - Fail (player already picked)
MJJ - Pass
Stobzilla - Pass
Jayvin - Pass

BANNED LIST : Romario, Roy Keane, Fernando Redondo, Alessandro Nesta, Phillip Lahm, Frank Rijkaard, Cristiano Ronaldo, Paolo Maldini, Marco Van Basten, Lionel Messi, Ashley Cole, Bixente Lizarazu, Thierry Henry, Luis Ronaldo, Lothar Matthaus, Ronaldinho, Luis Figo, Javier Zanetti, Gabriel Batistuta, Xavi, Franck Ribery
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feck! knew it. For christ sakes... What do I need to do??
Mmmm..

@crappycraperson at least passed :lol:
Incoming sheep.
 
I think that I made a pretty good pick, especially considering his supporting cast and formation. :)
 
fecking feck it...

I'm going against my entire belief. I think that most people are thinking a goalkeeper is a safe third pick but I believe it's actually isn't because probably some people already went for a top keeper. But, my instincts suck since Laudrup, so I'll go against them.

I've picked a very certain legendary German Goalkeeper. We all know who I'm talking about.
If you picked him, feck you.
If you have a third pick and you want to share a sheep.. Well go ahead.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
How can you be so sure he'll fit the next category?
Anyway I'm mad at myself, basically last round I was conflicting between him and Matthaus, ended up going for the latter because of a coin toss. He should've been mine! :D
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weird. I did exactly the same thing! Batigol was one of the first players I wanted, but with criteria, I had to go for my 2nd striker, Sheva first. So decided to cover middle before coming back front...and then you both decided to screw me over! Aaahhh.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
fecking feck it...

I'm going against my entire belief. I think that most people are thinking a goalkeeper is a safe third pick but I believe it's actually isn't because probably some people already went for a top keeper. But, my instincts suck since Laudrup, so I'll go against them.

I've picked a very certain legendary German Goalkeeper. We all know who I'm talking about.
If you picked him, feck you.
If you have a third pick and you want to share a sheep.. Well go ahead.
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This really shouldn't be allowed.
 
May be a bit rich coming from me but any form of signaling shouldn't be allowed at the third attempt. In earlier rounds it's all part of the fun and games with bluffing and all that but at this stage anyone would be an idiot to pick the same guy.

For the record, I said nothing about Luis Enrique. The fact we are talking about a keeper here makes it worse as the prior picks are irrelevant. There's pissing around and then there's going overboard in taking advantage.

I'd suggest he can pick anyone BUT said keeper, and full ban on third round signalling hereafter.

@AldoPaine18
 
I've mentioned a few times that hinting should only be done if the hint corresponds to multiple players. Saying he has said number of league appearances in wiki or stuff like VJ just said is as good as naming the player, which isn't really good for the draft.

I'm not putting a rule on it, it's not practical and can be subjective at times. But overall, to keep the draft in good spirit I'd request everyone to cut down on it. It's not a part of mind games, because it's as good as naming a player, and no longer a hint.

Neither would I forbid VJ from picking the said player either. He's not done anything that hasn't been done before, if anything it's probably his first attempt at it, I know doing it in the third round is really worse than the other two but at the end, neither of them really goes down well with anyone.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
I've mentioned a few times that hinting should only be done if the hint corresponds to multiple players. Saying he has said number of league appearances in wiki or stuff like VJ just said is as good as naming the player, which isn't really good for the draft.

I'm not putting a rule on it, it's not practical and can be subjective at times. But overall, to keep the draft in good spirit I'd request everyone to cut down on it. It's not a part of mind games, because it's as good as naming a player, and no longer a hint.

Neither would I forbid VJ from picking the said player either. He's not done anything that hasn't been done before, if anything it's probably his first attempt at it, I know doing it in the third round is really worse than the other two but at the end, neither of them really goes down well with anyone.
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ie. @VivaJanuzaj is a cnut.
 
I think everyone should just stop doing it full stop, not seeing much of a difference between doing it in the third round or the second really.
 
NM said:
ie. @VivaJanuzaj is a cnut.
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To be fair, as I said, he didn't do anything new.

The whole interest of the draft lies in the fact that you have no clue what others will go for. Openly telling everyone your pick and making it obvious as anything kills it, simply. There is a strict rule on not naming players but you can name your player without actually taking the name and escaping on a technicality, which isn't healthy at all. I've tried to make it clear politely but it hasn't worked and now we have this situation where this so called mind game is affecting the whole thing more than it should.

It's not a mind game, in first, second or third round. It's a cheap trick. People who have done it don't care if the player they named goes on to be banned as they weren't interested in him anyway but people who do care about getting the player would obviously be deeply affected. I know I would be, here I am hoping to sneak a player or at least having a decent chance and I see a guy parading every damn info about him just not taking the game? Obviously I'd be mad. It's not a fecking mind game.

Again, I don't want you guys to seal your lips, but there is a way to give hints and keep people guessing instead of laying out the player's biography. Major difference.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Again, I don't want you guys to seal your lips, but there is a way to give hints and keep people guessing instead of laying out the player's biography. Major difference.
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This.

I think the lips sealed rules just ruins a draft like this. It needs discussions, hints, false hints and mind games to be interesting. But then on the flip side, if everyone starts naming their picks to be it will be more of a who is a better cnut than the other pissing contest.

Managers to agree that they will not do this. If anyone still cross the line, by other managers majority vote, the offending manager loses the 2nd and 3rd pick option for the next pick. Should be fair as he still has the option to make a good first pick and get away with less or no damage.
 
These mind games are tedious. Just get on with the game rather than acting oversmart.
 
Don't think there's any need to make new rules or start taking away people's picks. We're not children after all, we'll just agree not to do it.

Basically: mind games and dropping vague hints that could apply to a few players is fine, telling everyone who you're going for to ward off a block isn't.

There's really no point in us spoiling a game we're putting this much time into. Guaranteeing your picks kills the game.
 
With hindsight, I should have just gone with my first instinct and suggest it was deleted. There was also NMs quote, it could lead to discussion and I had no time for it then.

I did realise I had been way too obvious up to Koeman. It was boring and not even particularly effective because at least half the managers don't seem to be reading up for hints anyway. With Brehme I provided data aimed at keeping him safe for my second pick. Trying to scare people away from players you may want later is fair cop IMO. Zanetti and Batistuta still got blocked today, as did Romario and Rijkaard before them. My attempt to preserve Davids for future rounds failed as well. That said, I agree with the general point that hints which are open to interpretation and apply to more than one player are better.

I do think that going forward there should be zero references between second and third attempt, be it by rule or consensus. The implications of a block are completely different really and there's no reason to be doing mindgames, all you can be doing is saying the truth. It's usually only 2-3 chaps and all you need them to do is not giving details on their pick in what is a very short round of picking, not a big ask really.
 
antohan said:
Similar here with my next three targets not available. The upside is no one can pick them now either. I take it you went for a certain midfielder?

BTW, not being pedantic, just think you would like to know: the plural for sheep is sheep, even when it's Djemba-Djemba
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Now that you mention it, strange that I made that mistake several times, I actually know that. And yes, you're right, I wanted to know :).

antohan said:
With hindsight, I should have just gone with my first instinct and suggest it was deleted. There was also NMs quote, it could lead to discussion and I had no time for it then.

I did realise I had been way too obvious up to Koeman. It was boring and not even particularly effective because at least half the managers don't seem to be reading up for hints anyway. With Brehme I provided data aimed at keeping him safe for my second pick. Trying to scare people away from players you may want later is fair cop IMO. Zanetti and Batistuta still got blocked today, as did Romario and Rijkaard before them. My attempt to preserve Davids for future rounds failed as well. That said, I agree with the general point that hints which are open to interpretation and apply to more than one player are better.

I do think that going forward there should be zero references between second and third attempt, be it by rule or consensus. The implications of a block are completely different really and there's no reason to be doing mindgames, all you can be doing is saying the truth. It's usually only 2-3 chaps and all you need them to do is not giving details on their pick in what is a very short round of picking, not a big ask really.
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Thank god. I didn't want to make a fuss and a few people thought it was funny, but imo it really sucked. It completely annoyed me that you made your Romario pick public after I already submitted him as my pick, there was no tension or anything for me, it was just boring. Changing the pick would have been boring as well. I knew that it was a high risk and that you most likely will go for him, but I thought it's worth the risk and wanted the excitement at the revealing, you took all that away and that's certainly not the idea of this draft. I don't mind a few hints that still leave room for speculation, quite the opposite actually, but you went way too far. Same with Brehme, btw. The data wasn't a hint anymore, everyone who looked into him, was in the same situation as I was with Romario, it sucks, shouldn't be allowed to be that specific.

I don't think we need any new rules with the threat of punishment, I'm sure we make it work now. Also we should be careful not to reveal our successful picks after the 1st attempt. Pippa's Gullit hair picture was way too obvious for example.
 
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I'm not seeing much difference between doing it in any of the rounds. It's the same principle: trying to reserve your player so nobody else will pick it. If we all did that it would simply be a case of whoever put the post out first. And it's primarily been done with marquee players so it's almost entirely a case of "oh no I don't want anyone else to go for him".
 
Gio said:
I'm not seeing much difference between doing it in any of the rounds. It's the same principle: trying to reserve your player so nobody else will pick it. If we all did that it would simply be a case of whoever put the post out first. And it's primarily been done with marquee players so it's almost entirely a case of "oh no I don't want anyone else to go for him".
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Yeap. I had issues with people explicitly stating their target earlier but like Balu kept quiet. I do think you can use bluffing as a strategy here but it only should be used for extremely obvious players- Zidane, Messi etc. Not for likes of Brehme, Guilt
 
crappycraperson said:
Yeap. I had issues with people explicitly stating their target earlier but like Balu kept quiet. I do think you can use bluffing as a strategy here but it only should be used for extremely obvious players- Zidane, Messi etc. Not for likes of Brehme, Guilt
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Implying that you might go for 'him' is obviously no problem, because 'him' is still speculative. The Messi & Zidane 'him' talk was great and no one knew what was happening and everyone who thought he knew was clearly wrong. That's very different from Anto's bluff with Davids, imo. If someone wrote 'I go for the Argentine player who broke all scoring records recently' it's not fun anymore and even as a bluff it's wrong, imo. Leave room for speculation and you're fine. Describe a player in a way so that it's equal to writing his name, it's wrong. It doesn't matter if it's a bluff or not or if it's the 1st, 2nd or 3rd attempt.

Congrats for your successful pick by the way :).
 
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