Gaming The Final Fantasy Thread

[esmufc07]

Sony has just lost their biggest exclusive(although versus could be a dark horse) end of story BUT there is no guarantee that the xbox version will be as good as the ps3 version. For all we know the ps3 version could be vastly superior.

Versus looks like it will be better than FFXIII, I have always said that from day 1. The 360 WILL NOT be as good as the PS3 version, games are already having to be compressed on the 360, a game on the scale of a HD Final Fantasy will have to be compressed A LOT to be fit on a reasonable number of discs.

I actually don't think FFXIII going onto 360 will help it move consoles, those who have been waiting for FF will want the full experience, so it makes sense for them to opt for the PS3 versions.

 

[WeasteDevil]

Link - http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7917472&type=product&id=1149208600820

Probable, or impossible?

Well, Best Buy say that we are getting FF7 in 12 days!

 

[esmufc07]

Well, Best Buy say that we are getting FF7 in 12 days!

It was on GameStop aswell, it must be true!

On a serious note I don't see why they won't be able to get it out in time for Christmas, there is no need to delay this one as it isn't going to the 360 and the two stories are seperate, so it really doesn't matter which one you play first.

Both titles have been worked on simultaneously and FFXIII is now in the voice acting stage (For Japan anyway), so Versus, I imagine, should be there or thereabouts.

I hope so anyway!

 

[Redlambs]

Versus looks like it will be better than FFXIII,

You would say that.

I have always said that from day 1. The 360 WILL NOT be as good as the PS3 version, games are already having to be compressed on the 360, a game on the scale of a HD Final Fantasy will have to be compressed A LOT to be fit on a reasonable number of discs.

Please leave the tech talk alone.

I actually don't think FFXIII going onto 360 will help it move consoles, those who have been waiting for FF will want the full experience, so it makes sense for them to opt for the PS3 versions.

Nope.


It's all moot anyway, sure it'll be a typically good FF game, but nowhere near past levels, especially now with all this versus bollocks things are watered down. They should leave it alone for a bit and do some proper sequels to their original (and sometimes better) classics. Get back to roots.

 

[esmufc07]

You would say that.

Take your time to read through this thread and you will read me say Versus looks the better. I'm not just saying it, and it's convenient you left the second half of that sentence out.

Please leave the tech talk alone.

I wouldn't call it 'tech-talk'. If iD are having trouble fitting Rage onto discs, and are cutting the quality of the game in order to fit it on, I'm sure that FFXIII will have to lose some of it's quality for the 360 version. If they didn't compress, do you think they could fit it on a reasonable number of discs?

Nope.

Again, you're not expanding on your point. Those who already have a 360 will no doubt pick up FFXIII (Not all of them of course), but those who have been waiting for FFXIII to pick up either the 360/PS3 will know it makes more sense to opt for the PS3 version and the Versus exclusive, rather than, in all probability, a less quality version on the 360.

It's all moot anyway, sure it'll be a typically good FF game, but nowhere near past levels, especially now with all this versus bollocks things are watered down. They should leave it alone for a bit and do some proper sequels to their original (and sometimes better) classics. Get back to roots.

You would say that.

 

[Redlambs]

Take your time to read through this thread and you will read me say Versus looks the better. I'm not just saying it, and it's convenient you left the second half of that sentence out.

Actually I didn't, I just didn't quote it in the right place.

I wouldn't call it 'tech-talk'. If iD are having trouble fitting Rage onto discs, and are cutting the quality of the game in order to fit it on, I'm sure that FFXIII will have to lose some of it's quality for the 360 version. If they didn't compress, do you think they could fit it on a reasonable number of discs?

You don't know what you are talking about, nor do you know the reason JC made that statement.

Again, you're not expanding on your point. Those who already have a 360 will no doubt pick up FFXIII (Not all of them of course), but those who have been waiting for FFXIII to pick up either the 360/PS3 will know it makes more sense to opt for the PS3 version and the Versus exclusive, rather than, in all probability, a less quality version on the 360.

Why would I need to expand my point? You once again are talking about IFS as if they are FACTS. I'm not saying you're wrong as such, I'm just tired of people banging on about things they know little about.

You would say that.

Yes I would, care to disprove?

 

[esmufc07]

Actually I didn't, I just didn't quote it in the right place.

So why make a comment suggesting I'm only saying it because FFXIII is going to the 360? Weaste will back me up on my comments regarding XIII.

You don't know what you are talking about, nor do you know the reason JC made that statement.

So, in all honesty, you think the 360 version will be as good as the PS3 version?

Why would I need to expand my point? You once again are talking about IFS as if they are FACTS. I'm not saying you're wrong as such, I'm just tired of people banging on about things they know little about.

It is my opinion that FFXIII going to the 360 will not help it budge as many consoles as people may think. That is my OPINION, I haven't used the word fact once. If you're not saying I'm wrong what are you saying, you're leaving me confused!

Yes I would, care to disprove?

Well, we know you're not a fan of the PS3, and most games that are PS3 exclusive you tend to have a dig at, yet when it comes to Wii/360 exclusives, they can do no wrong.

If FFXIII was coming to the 360 from the start I don't think you'd have made that statement.

Just my opinion

 

[Redlambs]

So why make a comment suggesting I'm only saying it because FFXIII is going to the 360? Weaste will back me up on my comments regarding XIII.

Fair enough.

So, in all honesty, you think the 360 version will be as good as the PS3 version?

Of what?

It is my opinion that FFXIII going to the 360 will not help it budge as many consoles as people may think. That is my OPINION, I haven't used the word fact once. If you're not saying I'm wrong what are you saying, you're leaving me confused!

No, you are regurgitating crap you've briefly read through on the internet and have been doing it a lot lately.

Well, we know you're not a fan of the PS3, and most games that are PS3 exclusive you tend to have a dig at, yet when it comes to Wii/360 exclusives, they can do no wrong.

You are such a child. You are also extremely wrong, annoyingly so.

If FFXIII was coming to the 360 from the start I don't think you'd have made that statement.

Just my opinion

Based on that little crying session above, I'm beginning to think I've overestimated your ability to understand anything put against you.

 

[esmufc07]

Fair enough.

Then I think an apology is in order

Of what?

Final Fantasy XIII.

No, you are regurgitating crap you've briefly read through on the internet and have been doing it a lot lately.

Right, so first I was stating it as fact, and now I'm regurgitating things I have read on the internet

You can't win sometimes. I'm entitled to my opinion. I'll just look forward to the sales numbers once the said game is released.

You are such a child. You are also extremely wrong, annoyingly so.

How am I a child? You've had digs at MGS4, LBP, Killzone 2 and now Final Fantasy Versus XIII, all PS3 exclusives. Yet comments regarding Mario, GeoW2, Zelda etc are all in the opposite bracket.

Based on that little crying session above, I'm beginning to think I've overestimated your ability to understand anything put against you.

And now we get onto the petty insults.

If that's the way you want to go, so be it.

 

[Kaos]

No offense Esmufc but you can hardly call anyone else a fanboy. If anythıng your defense over anythıng ps3-related does seem desperate at tımes. You also seem to bash the 360 at every gıven opportunıty.

 

[esmufc07]

Have I mentioned the word fanboy? No, I was merely saying that, on the face of it, he seems to have a lot of digs and negative comments for games that are exclusive to the PS3.

And you calling me a fanboy is a bit rich also! (Which I am not, I merely prefer the PS3 over its competitors). Yes I defend it, but only where it gets stick it doesn't really deserve (Like the 40GB model being, and I quote "A watered down piece of shit".

And why do you think I bash the 360 in the fanboy thread? Nothing should be taken seriously in there!

 

[Redlambs]

Final Fantasy XIII.

Why would I think one version would be better than the other? Why would you? Is it because what JC said? You should read between the lines sometimes.

Right, so first I was stating it as fact, and now I'm regurgitating things I have read on the internet

Exactly, see you can understand something.

You can't win sometimes. I'm entitled to my opinion. I'll just look forward to the sales numbers once the said game is released.

That is such a retarded thing to say. Woo! Sony sold more! Yay! Or when they don't it's, Woo! They have a higher attachment!

How am I a child? You've had digs at MGS4, LBP, Killzone 2 and now Final Fantasy Versus XIII, all PS3 exclusives. Yet comments regarding Mario, GeoW2, Zelda etc are all in the opposite bracket.

Just because you cannot understand, it doesn't mean they are digs.

The problem with people like you is that you can't take anything said against your precious little toy, so you cry foul at every opportunity. Now to make you look even more stupid, why don't you point out where I've digged at either LBP or KZ2?

And now we get onto the petty insults.

If that's the way you want to go, so be it.

Trying to insinuate I prefer one console over another because you don't agree with me is petty. Again, just because you can't understand what I'm saying it upsets you that it appears I dislike your precious PS3! In reality though, if people like you weren't such feckwits I wouldn't have to try and correct you when you spout misinformation about the other machines.

Ironically if I had to nail my colours to one mast, it would be Sony's. So yet again you are wrong. I think I preferred you before you went away because you were a bit more eager to learn, now it seems you just want to respout all kinds of shit then get the hump when called on it.

 

[Redlambs]

Have I mentioned the word fanboy? No, I was merely saying that, on the face of it, he seems to have a lot of digs and negative comments for games that are exclusive to the PS3.

And you calling me a fanboy is a bit rich also! (Which I am not, I merely prefer the PS3 over its competitors). Yes I defend it, but only where it gets stick it doesn't really deserve (Like the 40GB model being, and I quote "A watered down piece of shit".

And why do you think I bash the 360 in the fanboy thread? Nothing should be taken seriously in there!

Point out these digs then.

Oh, and did I call the 40gb model a watered down piece of shit? I don't remember that.

 

[Redlambs]

Oh and btw matey, I still don't mind talking with you about your opinions on games both out and coming, however it's shit like this that annoys me:

The 360 WILL NOT be as good as the PS3 version, games are already having to be compressed on the 360, a game on the scale of a HD Final Fantasy will have to be compressed A LOT to be fit on a reasonable number of discs.

What was that about facts again? You have no idea about the so called "compression" and what it does or does not mean. You also have missed the glaring point as to why JC said anything about Rage and it being "compressed".

I don't mean to repeat myself, but I stand by my original statement. Leave the tech talk alone if you don't want to be called on it.

 

[esmufc07]

Why would I think one version would be better than the other? Why would you? Is it because what JC said? You should read between the lines sometimes.

I'm assuming the PS3 version will be better for reasons already said. It has been designed on the PS3 first and foremost, and yes the comments JC made. I have asked you whether or not you think FFXIII can fit onto a reasonable number of discs without it being compressed (For the 360). If you had said from the start 'yes', then I would have believed you and dropped it, but you responded by dodging the question. If it can't be fit onto a reasonable number of discs without being compressed, surely it will lose some of it's quality?

Exactly, see you can understand something.

Don't be so patronising lambs, I may not have the degrees you have and I may not be as intelligent as you are in the fields we are discussing. Doesn't mean I can't have my say.

That is such a retarded thing to say. Woo! Sony sold more! Yay! Or when they don't it's, Woo! They have a higher attachment!

I was originally talking about the fact I don't think FFXIII will move as many consoles as MS or others may like to think. That is just my opinion on it, why you are getting so defensive and wound up about it I don't know. And if your referring to the Soul Calibur IV post with the attachment remark, look at which thread it was posted in.

Just because you cannot understand, it doesn't mean they are digs.

Fair enough, was more of a heat of the moment remark.

The problem with people like you is that you can't take anything said against your precious little toy, so you cry foul at every opportunity. Now to make you look even more stupid, why don't you point out where I've digged at either LBP or KZ2?

I seem to you remember you saying the LBP wouldn't catch on as user generated content wouldn't catch on mainstream, perhaps I've got it wrong as it was a while back, and apologies if I have. Regards KillZone 2 I briefly looked over the debate you and Weaste were having (In the E3 thread I think), and it seemed you were also having digs at it.

Trying to insinuate I prefer one console over another because you don't agree with me is petty. Again, just because you can't understand what I'm saying it upsets you that it appears I dislike your precious PS3! In reality though, if people like you weren't such feckwits I wouldn't have to try and correct you when you spout misinformation about the other machines.

You are yet to pick up a PS3, that suggests to me you prefer the two consoles you currently have. Fair enough if you do, each to their own. PS3 is not a precious toy, I just think it is the best console out there and suits my needs. And like I said I will stick up for it when it gets mis-labelled, just like you do with the Wii/360.

Ironically if I had to nail my colours to one mast, it would be Sony's. So yet again you are wrong. I think I preferred you before you went away because you were a bit more eager to learn, now it seems you just want to respout all kinds of shit then get the hump when called on it.

Like i said I'm not re-spouting shit, if you could have just answered my question in the first place we could have avoided all this, but as it were you decided to degenerate into the insults.

I won't do the same, I like you as a poster. (Today doesn't count!)

 

[esmufc07]

Point out these digs then.

Oh, and did I call the 40gb model a watered down piece of shit? I don't remember that.

That was a response to Kaos' post, and was pointing out that I will defend the PS3 when it gets mislabelled, which is why I brought up a comment he made a while back.

 

[esmufc07]

Oh and btw matey, I still don't mind talking with you about your opinions on games both out and coming, however it's shit like this that annoys me

Good, because as I just mentioned, I like you as a poster and I enjoy debating with you.

What was that about facts again? You have no idea about the so called "compression" and what it does or does not mean. You also have missed the glaring point as to why JC said anything about Rage and it being "compressed".

I don't mean to repeat myself, but I stand by my original statement. Leave the tech talk alone if you don't want to be called on it.

I assumed JC saying Rage would not be graphically as good as the game had to be compressed on the 360, that compression meant quality is lost.

If I'm wrong I apologise.

 

[Redlambs]

I'm assuming the PS3 version will be better for reasons already said. It has been designed on the PS3 first and foremost, and yes the comments JC made. I have asked you whether or not you think FFXIII can fit onto a reasonable number of discs without it being compressed (For the 360). If you had said from the start 'yes', then I would have believed you and dropped it, but you responded by dodging the question. If it can't be fit onto a reasonable number of discs without being compressed, surely it will lose some of it's quality?

Dodged a question? You was never clear, so don't try that one.

Anyway, I doubt there's anything in the PS3 version that the 360 can't do. What you've jumped on is a comment by JC because he thinks (rightly so) that M$ should drop the additional disc charge, hence why he has gone public. If you bothered to read it properly, he says the 360 version of the Doom4 engine (Which Rage is powered on) is identical to the PS3 version.

It's a clever ply to get the charge dropped, nothing more. If it doesn't, than I've no doubt he'll miss things out deliberately.

Don't be so patronising lambs, I may not have the degrees you have and I may not be as intelligent as you are in the fields we are discussing. Doesn't mean I can't have my say.

You are more than welcome to your say and this is not about intelligence at all. It's about not talking about things that you don't know about. If, for example, you'd asked the question first instead of talking about the PS3 version of FF13 being better as fact, then I'd have gladly talked about it with you.

I find it unfair when people can be lead astray by such comments, hence why I do stick up for ANY machine that is getting unfair stick. Hell when you were away, me and Weaste were on the same fecking side a number of times about the PS3!

I was originally talking about the fact I don't think FFXIII will move as many consoles as MS or others may like to think. That is just my opinion on it, why you are getting so defensive and wound up about it I don't know. And if your referring to the Soul Calibur IV post with the attachment remark, look at which thread it was posted in.

Ok, fair enough. I don't see why that is such a big deal at all, but I guess I'll leave it alone.

I seem to you remember you saying the LBP wouldn't catch on as user generated content wouldn't catch on mainstream, perhaps I've got it wrong as it was a while back, and apologies if I have.

You have got it wrong. I'm a huge admirer of LBP and have been probably even before you even heard of it. My comments are about the people using it, not the game itself.

Regards KillZone 2 I briefly looked over the debate you and Weaste were having (In the E3 thread I think), and it seemed you were also having digs at it.

Wrong again. Weaste said a few things about it being advanced and I was wanting clarification. Weaste has been following it's development since day one and I was more interested in what (if anything new) they were doing with the techniques.

In fact, I've fecking praised the standard shooter gameplay more than Weaste himself has!!!

You are yet to pick up a PS3, that suggests to me you prefer the two consoles you currently have. Fair enough if you do, each to their own. PS3 is not a precious toy, I just think it is the best console out there and suits my needs. And like I said I will stick up for it when it gets mis-labelled, just like you do with the Wii/360.

Nope, the PS3 just isn't worth my money right now, I've stated numerous times why. You seem to forget that fact. You also seem to forget that I've owned all the Sony machines to date and credit them with me becoming a professional developer in the first place.

But hey, don't let any of that get in the way of you saying I dislike them!

Like i said I'm not re-spouting shit, if you could have just answered my question in the first place we could have avoided all this, but as it were you decided to degenerate into the insults.

I won't do the same, I like you as a poster. (Today doesn't count!)

You never asked me a question at first. But fair enough, no harm done.

 

[esmufc07]

Dodged a question? You was never clear, so don't try that one.

Anyway, I doubt there's anything in the PS3 version that the 360 can't do. What you've jumped on is a comment by JC because he thinks (rightly so) that M$ should drop the additional disc charge, hence why he has gone public. If you bothered to read it properly, he says the 360 version of the Doom4 engine (Which Rage is powered on) is identical to the PS3 version.

It's a clever ply to get the charge dropped, nothing more. If it doesn't, than I've no doubt he'll miss things out deliberately.

Fair enough!

You are more than welcome to your say and this is not about intelligence at all. It's about not talking about things that you don't know about. If, for example, you'd asked the question first instead of talking about the PS3 version of FF13 being better as fact, then I'd have gladly talked about it with you.

I find it unfair when people can be lead astray by such comments, hence why I do stick up for ANY machine that is getting unfair stick. Hell when you were away, me and Weaste were on the same fecking side a number of times about the PS3!

Taking my place, good to see!

You have got it wrong. I'm a huge admirer of LBP and have been probably even before you even heard of it. My comments are about the people using it, not the game itself.

Then I apologise (As promised)

Wrong again. Weaste said a few things about it being advanced and I was wanting clarification. Weaste has been following it's development since day one and I was more interested in what (if anything new) they were doing with the techniques.

In fact, I've fecking praised the standard shooter gameplay more than Weaste himself has!!!

I must be confusing you with another poster then. Sorry!

Nope, the PS3 just isn't worth my money right now, I've stated numerous times why. You seem to forget that fact. You also seem to forget that I've owned all the Sony machines to date and credit them with me becoming a professional developer in the first place.

But hey, don't let any of that get in the way of you saying I dislike them!

Yes I remember you mentioning them for becoming a Professional Developer, but your such a wind up sometimes it's hard what and what not to believe!!

You never asked me a question at first. But fair enough, no harm done.

If they didn't compress, do you think they could fit it on a reasonable number of discs?

I asked you that question!

Anyway, this could go on forever, so lets just move past the whole thing.

Friends?

 

[WeasteDevil]

What happened here then?

 

[WeasteDevil]

Why would I think one version would be better than the other? Why would you? Is it because what JC said? You should read between the lines sometimes.

Carmack was moaning about licencing fees having to be paid, as far as I understand it, on discs, thus making it a difficult economic prospect to release large games on 360. Why Microsoft have this model is unknown, as was what he said before he said it - at least to me. For all we know, it could have been one of the reasons Konami never released MGS4 on XB360.

Now, will this apply to Final Fantasy? I doubt it, as it's obvious that Microsoft have paid S-E for this, so the thing will get waved aside. As far as I know, only two games have been 4 disc jobbies on XB360, both RPGs paid for by Microsoft - Blue Dragon and Lost Odessey. No discredit to those games, but if they are 4 disc, I would expect that a full FF title will be at the very least 6.

When does the number of discs become unmanagable on a platform that cannot guarantee a hard disk for install and people have to keep swapping them? DVD isn't the most robust thing in the world at the best of times. So, you have two choices, you either gimp it (you know what I mean here, many ways for this to be done) to reduce the number of discs, or you go with a large number of them.

Nobody even knows if it will run well on the XB360 or not yet, so it's all a very moot argument. We're still waiting to see PS3 in action. I would expect to see it at TGS if they are serious about putting a large demo of it together with ACC next March. They would need that demo ready for the end of December at the latest.

 

[Redlambs]

Carmack was moaning about licencing fees having to be paid, as far as I understand it, on discs, thus making it a difficult economic prospect to release large games on 360. Why Microsoft have this model is unknown, as was what he said before he said it - at least to me. For all we know, it could have been one of the reasons Konami never released MGS4 on XB360.

Now, will this apply to Final Fantasy? I doubt it, as it's obvious that Microsoft have paid S-E for this, so the thing will get waved aside. As far as I know, only two games have been 4 disc jobbies on XB360, both RPGs paid for by Microsoft - Blue Dragon and Lost Odessey. No discredit to those games, but if they are 4 disc, I would expect that a full FF title will be at the very least 6.

When does the number of discs become unmanagable on a platform that cannot guarantee a hard disk for install and people have to keep swapping them? DVD isn't the most robust thing in the world at the best of times. So, you have two choices, you either gimp it (you know what I mean here, many ways for this to be done) to reduce the number of discs, or you go with a large number of them.

Nobody even knows if it will run well on the XB360 or not yet, so it's all a very moot argument. We're still waiting to see PS3 in action. I would expect to see it at TGS if they are serious about putting a large demo of it together with ACC next March. They would need that demo ready for the end of December at the latest.

Nail head, meet hammer.

I couldn't agree more, there is no way FF13 will be any different despite the amount of cd's, however just saying IF there is an issue with space, I reckon one of two things will happen:

1) The FMV will be compressed.
2) The FMV will be realtime.

Content will not be affected. With Rage it's like we are saying, good 'ol JC playing a political game to get the fees waved, and fecking good on him too. I remember having to cram a fortnight of severe crunching in to reduce cart size on the GBA from 8meg to 4meg because of Nintendo's stupidly unreasonable fees. Idiots the lot of 'em.

 

[Redlambs]

What happened here then?

You missed one of those very rare chances to wind me up, it doesn't happen at all often, it's like an eclipse. You could have had a right laugh too!

esmufc didn't though, so he took the brunt. He's a good lad

 

[wancolos]

I'm tempted to have a look for my old PS and dig out FFVIII, the best game ever made.

 

[esmufc07]

What happened here then?

Redlambs got up on the wrong side of the bed!

You missed one of those very rare chances to wind me up, it doesn't happen at all often, it's like an eclipse. You could have had a right laugh too!

esmufc didn't though, so he took the brunt. He's a good lad

You're one of the few who has insulted me and not got an insult back. You ought to count yourself lucky

Anyway, it's been a while since I had a debate as heated as that. I certainly enjoyed it!

 

[esmufc07]

I'm tempted to have a look for my old PS and dig out FFVIII, the best game ever made.

FFVII and FFX were both better than VIII in my opinion. VIII's major downfall was its junctioning system, you could become ridicolously strong very early on in the game, which made the game too easy.

Still a very good game though.

 

[KingEric7]

FFVII and FFX were both better than VIII in my opinion. VIII's major downfall was its junctioning system, you could become ridicolously strong very early on in the game, which made the game too easy.
Still a very good game though.

Aye, that was my issue with it.
7 is just unbelievable, i still haven't gone back on it despite saying i would earlier on in the thread!
9 is also brilliant and i'm incredibly impressed with how they adapted to the PS2 with X.

Each and every one of them have storylines worthy of writing novels about.

 

[Redlambs]

FFVII and FFX were both better than VIII in my opinion. VIII's major downfall was its junctioning system, you could become ridicolously strong very early on in the game, which made the game too easy.

Still a very good game though.

2,5,6 were also much better than 8. I don't think there's been an FF I haven't liked as a game yet though. 3 was a bit boring, but still quality.

 

[esmufc07]

I'm going to be picking up FF1 and 2 on the PSP soon.

Tactics is also brilliant, and doesn't get mentioned often enough.

VII is still the King though.

 

[Redlambs]

I'm going to be picking up FF1 and 2 on the PSP soon.

Tactics is also pretty good, and doesn't get mentioned often enough.

VI is still the King though.

Fixed.

 

[esmufc07]

I've still yet to play VI.

 

[KingEric7]

7 is the don.

I can't believe how in-depth that story is and when I hear the music, I still yearn to play on it.

 

[esmufc07]

Just imagine that boss music. Actually, you don't have to imagine, here it is!

 

[KingEric7]

Uematsu...........genius.

 

[esmufc07]

Which 3 characters did you use?

Once I had them all I used Cloud, Barret and Cid.

The deadly trio!

 

[KingEric7]

Which 3 characters did you use?

Once I had them all I used Cloud, Barret and Cid.

The deadly trio!

Cloud, Cid and Tifa.

I've never used Barret the whole way through but i may have to do that next playthrough because one of his last limit breaks is brilliant.

 

[esmufc07]

You shock me!

Catastrophe and Satellite Beam were amazing Limit Breaks (I had once acquired the Satellite Beam Limit break before I fought the Boss in Cosmo Canyon) which I thought was ace.

 

[KingEric7]

Aye, i do regret not using Barret at some point seeing that i've even used that useless Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, Cait Sith.

It didn't matter anyways, the HP > MP materia made it absolutely impossible for anything to kill me, even the weapons.

 

[esmufc07]

I never figured out the use for that Materia until you told me the other week!

I beat both weapons without it and without KOTR

Took me bloody ages though!

 

[KingEric7]

I never figured out the use for that Materia until you told me the other week!

I beat both weapons without it and without KOTR

Took me bloody ages though!

feck....
I've done it with lucky 7s once but even then i used the occasional KOTR.
I'm off to bed now, fellow FF Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.