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What's your favourite single-player FF?

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Just finished the third disc. Kuja is a real badass and it is a very good character. Like in almost all other FF games there was a twist regarding the main character.

Anyway now I have a big dilemma which option should I choose
- To level up, find all ultimate weapons, make Zidane Thievery do 9999 damage (likely a day or two of stealing), catch 99 frogs and so on in order to defeat that Ozma ball.
- Go finish the game and then start playing System Shock 2.

The first option is good, but I should spend 2-3 days doing useless annoying stuff.

Also, the pandemonium music was sweet.
 
feck the stuff with Thievery - do everything else and hand it to Ozma. :D You'll want to go some way into the final dungeon first though to get the best synth stuff. Ozma is no pushover.

Remember that holding down the space button with epsxe will speed the game up should you want this bit to go quickly. Oh, and it's probably worth checking what you'll need before heading to final dungeon for synthesis so as to avoid having to enter and re-enter.
 
Yeah, should definitely do the frog stuff. A lot less effort than Zidane's thievery and there's an optional boss to be had there, too.
 
The frog quest isn't a problem. I have caught around 70 frogs till now and likely all three Qu Marsh-es have been populated. I was thinking to fight Ozma with Zidane's thievery, Quina's frog drop, Freya's dragon killer or whatever is called and a healer, in order to make 30k damage per round. Zidane's thievery is a bit difficult to achieve, at the moment I am doing around 5000 damage with it.

Can I go into the final dungeon and then come back to deal with other stuff (Ozma). I also read that it is a more powerful boss than the likes of Ruby/Emerald or Omega from FF7 and FF8. Is this true?
 
You can come in and out of the final dungeon as you please, IIRC.

Also IIRC, Ozma is tougher than any of the Weapons. Partially due to not having an attack that can do 80 to 130k per round.
 
Earthquake said:
You can come in and out of the final dungeon as you please, IIRC.

Also IIRC, Ozma is tougher than any of the Weapons. Partially due to not having an attack that can do 80 to 130k per round.
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Shieeet. Omega was really tough while I couldn't defeat at all Ruby/Emerald. Good challenge this seems to be.
 
Ozma is difficult to be fair - you will probably die many times before killing it without help. It's much easier if you know what you're doing, but if you've never faced him and don't know what to expect his speed is ridiculous. He just churns out attacks one after another that can absolutely feck you up. It's pretty much impossible to just go in and beat him without knowing what he can hit you with - you end up getting the first frog drop off and thinking there's only a few more attacks to go, only for curse to come along and ruin half the party in one go.
 
Dark Aeon Sisters......although theres one after them that I never got too on FFX, my memory card corrupted, probably the only time I came close to crying over something like that, since well I had them all to ridiculous HP and all their weapons. Heartbreaker.

Not gonna get the HD remake for the actual game, just for the endgame stuff again, I loved that in FFX. Blitzball too, loved that, don't even know why.
 
Finished the friendly monster quest. Just out of curiosity is there any certain strategy to defeat yan. When there are three of them it looks to me that is entirely luck if I win or not. Especially if they are in trend of using Snort.
 
There is a lot of luck to Yans, and you're held back partially by the fact that you have to use Zidane. I think the best way to go at them is to use both Eiko and Dagger (or Vivi if the team can absorb doomsday), and also Freya with her attack that hits all enemies for whatever damage they've already received. That would kill them all in 3 attacks (Freya, Madeen, Atomos). I think they have about 20,000 health or something so you could use Steiner's Climhazzard as the last attack after two stronger ones too. Other methods include using Steiner's one hit kill attack, or Odin with Dagger which can sometimes take them all out at once if you're lucky (and well levelled).

The problem there though is that there's no place for Quina, who is by far the most important character against Ozma. Quina and Zidane only hit one enemy at a time for large damage, so you're bound to have one or two characters die, blown away or hit with virus a lot of the time.

Nice one jveezy, by the way!
 
Continued today with optional bosses.

First victim: Master Quale
Party: Zidane (level 88), Eiko (level 82), Freya(level 82), Quina(level 83)
Preparations: Auto-Regen on all party members, Auto-Haste on all party members, defended from all statuses on all party members

Fight: Steal, Steal, Steal, Steal, Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack. Main attacks were Zidane's thievery (9999), Freya's Dragons Crest (9999) and Quina's Frog Drop (around 9200). He was defeated on 7 hits. An easy fight.

Second victim: Ozma
Party: Zidane (level 88), Eiko (level 82), Freya(level 82), Quina(level 83)
Preparations: Auto-Regen on all party members, Auto-Haste on all party members, defended from all statuses on all party members, 3 of my party members (Zidane, Freya and Quina had equipment that absorbed shadow) while Eiko nullified it, all party members either nullified or absorbed holy, auto potion with Hi Potions in all of them.

Fight: Ozma on the first step spelled meteor and killed all my party members, I cried a bit but luckily for me Phoenix appeared reviving all of them. Then I started attacking with those 3 attacks that were doing around 9999 damage, while I always either cast Curaga with Eiko or summoned Phoenix whenever someone was dead. He made Freya go berseck and then she wasn't doing damage bu luckily he casted death on her and then I revived her with Phoenix. Auto Potion was one of the best things ever, not because it was effective on it own but because during the time it was auto cast (on four of my party members), auto-regen healed me on thousands of HP. Same about Phoenix, whenever I summoned her, my party got thousands of HP from auto-regen. Anyway, the fecker started casting Curaga like a mad monster(eidolon) regenerating around 20000HP on one turn. But my attacks were devastating and ironically the last hit was from his Doomsday which healed 3 of my party members but killed him on process. The fecking suicidal.

One of the best fights ever especially because he had a very good AI and unlike Omega his attacks weren't from some sort of pattern. Proud to defeat it on my first attempt, though the Metoer spell was a bitch and if Phoenix wouldn't have decided to summon it would have been a bit shit dying from his first spell.

Now time to find some ultimate weapons on those cracks and bubbles and then go into the final dungeon (haven't gone there yet).
 
I haven't found a single X-Potion yet. Likely they don't exist on this game.

But Hi-Potions were decent. They only had 300HP (or was it 450) but the four party members spend time forever to use them. And during that time, the auto-regen did it job. Same about Phoenix, never use Revive when you have Phoenix, simply because Phoenix spends more time than the revive spell, and during that time auto-regen regenerates most of your HP.
 
Nicely done, perfect set up. Don't think you can do anything more than that.

I can't imagine how boring that must've been to get thievery up to 9999 like that later in the game, I admire that patience. :lol: I genuinely would've gone gameshark or fecked it off - I can accept cheating if it's just something that cuts out hours and hours of mind-numbing grinding against weak enemies!

There's one more optional boss but that is going to be such a cakewalk compared to Ozma.
 
KingEric7 said:
Nicely done, perfect set up. Don't think you can do anything more than that.

I can't imagine how boring that must've been to get thievery up to 9999 like that later in the game, I admire that patience. :lol: I genuinely would've gone gameshark or fecked it off - I can accept cheating if it's just something that cuts out hours and hours of mind-numbing grinding against weak enemies!

There's one more optional boss but that is going to be such a cakewalk compared to Ozma.
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It was boring but not that bad for two reasons. First, since the beginning of third disc I started stealing in every battle. I didn't kill anyone without stealing from that. And second I decided to level up a bit using Grand Dragons and again I didn't kill them without stealing from them. So yeah, a lot of hours terribly spend but I think that it was worth it. Now Zidane is an absolute beast, by far the most powerful character.

Edit: Just calculated it with my speed at 37 I have needed 540 stealing to do maximum damage. Crazy but Quina is probably worse, even with 110 caught frogs I still cannot do max damage.
 
KingEric7 said:
Nicely done, perfect set up. Don't think you can do anything more than that.

I can't imagine how boring that must've been to get thievery up to 9999 like that later in the game, I admire that patience. :lol: I genuinely would've gone gameshark or fecked it off - I can accept cheating if it's just something that cuts out hours and hours of mind-numbing grinding against weak enemies!

There's one more optional boss but that is going to be such a cakewalk compared to Ozma.
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Ahhh, we all know who that is. Might be quite easy to miss it as well but I don't want to be the one to break the spoiler to Revan. Just keep them Pumice pieces in your inventory!
 
Revan said:
It was boring but not that bad for two reasons. First, since the beginning of third disc I started stealing in every battle. I didn't kill anyone without stealing from that. And second I decided to level up a bit using Grand Dragons and again I didn't kill them without stealing from them. So yeah, a lot of hours terribly spend but I think that it was worth it. Now Zidane is an absolute beast, by far the most powerful character.

Edit: Just calculated it with my speed at 37 I have needed 540 stealing to do maximum damage. Crazy but Quina is probably worse, even with 110 caught frogs I still cannot do max damage.
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Eiko - Double white magic + Holy = :drool:!
 
Always used Atomos so I could be wrong, but I thought it was 'just' 9999 to everyone. ;)
 
KingEric7 said:
Eiko - Double white magic + Holy = :drool:!
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Limits doesn't count ;) In fact I didn't used Eiko for attack (though I summoned Maden at times and it did around 9000 damage). With my other three characters doing always 9999 damage, I used Eiko for Curaga, Phoenix or at times Esuna. Many times she was at stand by and depended on situation she cast the magic which saved my day.

Anyway finished the game. Because I leveled up and prepared good for Ozma, the final dungeon wasn't a challenge. Hades was very easy and Kuja wasn't much stronger too. The final boss was a bit harder and at one time she killed two of my characters but that was it, Eiko revived them immediately. What was a point of the final boss anyway? It should have ended with Trance Kuja IMO.

How Zidane saved? It looked a pretty much impossible situation but somehow he saved. I know that in FF games these details are not important but still. Loved the final scenes of the game, probably the best in these kind of games I have player. And Zidane-Garnet romance is the best in FF, Squall and Rinoa was good but this was better.

A great game in the end, the only things I didn't like were random battles which I think were more frequent than usual and some of the quests. I like quests but not when there are a lot of random battles until you find the solution. And not especially if my party were all not strong characters (like it was in Desert Palace). But still they were small things. Great game, surely in my top 10 games ever, and only slightly below FF6 and FF7 but much better than FF4 and FF8.
 
Revan said:
Limits doesn't count ;) In fact I didn't used Eiko for attack (though I summoned Maden at times and it did around 9000 damage). With my other three characters doing always 9999 damage, I used Eiko for Curaga, Phoenix or at times Esuna. Many times she was at stand by and depended on situation she cast the magic which saved my day.

Anyway finished the game. Because I leveled up and prepared good for Ozma, the final dungeon wasn't a challenge. Hades was very easy and Kuja wasn't much stronger too. The final boss was a bit harder and at one time she killed two of my characters but that was it, Eiko revived them immediately. What was a point of the final boss anyway? It should have ended with Trance Kuja IMO.

How Zidane saved? It looked a pretty much impossible situation but somehow he saved. I know that in FF games these details are not important but still. Loved the final scenes of the game, probably the best in these kind of games I have player. And Zidane-Garnet romance is the best in FF, Squall and Rinoa was good but this was better.

A great game in the end, the only things I didn't like were random battles which I think were more frequent than usual and some of the quests. I like quests but not when there are a lot of random battles until you find the solution. And not especially if my party were all not strong characters (like it was in Desert Palace). But still they were small things. Great game, surely in my top 10 games ever, and only slightly below FF6 and FF7 but much better than FF4 and FF8.
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That ending is touching. I'm guessing you can put Zidane's escape down to the fact that he was pretty much God by the end and the being Kuja was supposed to be. He was running at about a million miles an hour back towards him so maybe he'd turned into what Garland said he was meant to be.

What did you make of Necron? Did you pick up what he was? fecking mystery. :lol:
 
KingEric7 said:
That ending is touching. I'm guessing you can put Zidane's escape down to the fact that he was pretty much God by the end and the being Kuja was supposed to be. He was running at about a million miles an hour back towards him so maybe he'd turned into what Garland said he was meant to be.

What did you make of Necron? Did you pick up what he was? fecking mystery. :lol:
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Yep, the fool made all that run and in the end couldn't save Kuja. Anyway an interesting thing is that all main villains of FF games I have played are very much influenced from each other. Motives, personalities, what they want to do are at times very similar. Simplifying it, in the end all of Kefka, Sephiroth, Ultimecia and Kuja wanted utter destruction.

Don't know what to say about Necron. Was he a powerful death God who decided to destroy everything after Kuja decided to destroy the crystal, or was he somehow an alter ego of Kuja (or another form of Kuja). Hard to know what they mean in FF games, the physic laws are unlimited.

Edit: Also, how it was meant to be explained the Vivi sons. He died of course, but were they really his sons or it was meant to be in a more poetic way?
 
Revan said:
Yep, the fool made all that run and in the end couldn't save Kuja. Anyway an interesting thing is that all main villains of FF games I have played are very much influenced from each other. Motives, personalities, what they want to do are at times very similar. Simplifying it, in the end all of Kefka, Sephiroth, Ultimecia and Kuja wanted utter destruction.

Don't know what to say about Necron. Was he a powerful death God who decided to destroy everything after Kuja decided to destroy the crystal, or was he somehow an alter ego of Kuja (or another form of Kuja). Hard to know what they mean in FF games, the physic laws are unlimited.
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A while back in the thread I said maybe when Kuja shattered the crystal, it released Necron and it was he that was meant to destroy all of existence and not the crystal itself. I dunno though...it's so vague! I've even read things more akin to FF8 type explanations with talk of Memoria and other dimensions, the creation of existence, etc...

That's true regarding the FF villains. It's probably sort of a mild criticism in a way, but I suppose it's a cliche found throughout all JRPGs and not just FF. Not that someone like Sephiroth is cliche - his background, story and character are so much more rich and complex than most JRPG villains - but he's still essentially a guy that wants to feck the world up like you say. I suppose given the sort of storylines that FF games have, it's inevitably going to end up as something like that. That being said, you thinking of tackling 10 at any point? That really moves away from the norm in this respect and has probably the most imaginative enemy in FF. Obviously won't ruin it because it's a storyline that should not be spoiled in any capacity but it's hugely different.
 
Yep, different antagonists would be better. Anyway the antagonists here are a bit different from antagonists of WRPG when they usually want power, here antagonists want to destroy everything.

Sadly, I don't think that I will play FF10 until next summer, but yeah I have plans to come back and play it and Chrono Cross (probably Secret of Mana and Xenogears too but they are not a priority). Going to start playing System Shock 2 next week, and likely that will be the last game I'll play this year. Or maybe I cannot resist the temptation of video games, but I have to try.
 
It's pretty much across all of fantasy.

Big bad usually wants to feck the world sideways, or more simply just rule everything. Sometimes both, or multiple bad guys with a mix.
 
Earthquake said:
It's pretty much across all of fantasy.


Big bad usually wants to feck the world sideways, or more simply just rule everything. Sometimes both, or multiple bad guys with a mix.
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Yeah, it's a cliche I enjoy to be fair. Same with the main characters a lot of the time - obscure people from different corners of the world come together and eventually save the planet/universe. Whatever, it's the execution of it that matters. :)

Revan said:
Yep, different antagonists would be better. Anyway the antagonists here are a bit different from antagonists of WRPG when they usually want power, here antagonists want to destroy everything.


Sadly, I don't think that I will play FF10 until next summer, but yeah I have plans to come back and play it and Chrono Cross (probably Secret of Mana and Xenogears too but they are not a priority). Going to start playing System Shock 2 next week, and likely that will be the last game I'll play this year. Or maybe I cannot resist the temptation of video games, but I have to try.
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Good luck. :D Can't go wrong there - FFX shits on Chrono Cross but they should both be played no doubt.

Reminds me, was meaning to ask. Now that you've gone through these FFs, how does the story of Deus Ex compare? I am dying to play that game but I'm thinking of going on a bit of a break again after Xenoblade (if I ever finish it...this game is fecking enormous). I've seen the comments of yourself, Redlambs and others on here and feel like it should be high on the to do list. Bioshock and all them too, I've missed out on some crackers by the sounds of it.
 
KingEric7 said:
Reminds me, was meaning to ask. Now that you've gone through these FFs, how does the story of Deus Ex compare? I am dying to play that game but I'm thinking of going on a bit of a break again after Xenoblade (if I ever finish it...this game is fecking enormous). I've seen the comments of yourself, Redlambs and others on here and feel like it should be high on the to do list. Bioshock and all them too, I've missed out on some crackers by the sounds of it.
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BioShock is one of the most overrated games ever. Don't get me wrong, it's still an amazing game and one of the top games of last decade, but still it shouldn't be near top games and in many lists it is there. Even worse, it has been praised as one of the best RPG ever, although it isn't an RPG at all. Again saying that is an overrated game, IMO it is overrated like Chrono Trigger, an amazing game really but not one of the best games ever. Or maybe just my opinion.

Now answering to your question, Deus Ex is really amazing. I have said many times that it is almost impossible finding a gamer who has played it and doesn't have it on top 5 - top 10 games. Saying that, you have to know that the game is an RPG-FPS hybrid and it is more a FPS than an RPG. By that, I mean that there is no party, no companions, you are solo. Obviously that means also that the dialogues are a bit more limited than in RPG games. But still the story is very good, but very good for an FPS not an RPG. I would say that from shooters I have played, only BioShock Infinite (a great game on it's own but not as good as original BioShock) has a better story. So personally I don't think that the story can be compared with RPG greats but it's still a great story and different from anything I have played. It's more a James Bong/Bourne (with many elements like global conspiracies and underground organizations) story than the stories of RPG. But, the main reason why Deus Ex is so highly rated is not because of it's story but because of gameplay. I would say that it has the best gameplay ever. It is very open and you have always many alternatives to finish the job, be it going crazy and killing everyone (likely be killed in process many times), going by stealth, using mines or hacking turrets. Everywhere you have a lot of options and a lot of things that can help you. Usually the best options are not run and gun and as I said it isn't a Half Life game when you can go and shoot everybody. Especially in the beginning you have to be extra careful cause your personal character is pretty shit at everything and enemies can be stronger than you (for example at times I used a very cnutish tactic, shooting at a terrorist and making him to follow me and then running near some caps who killed the terrorist when they saw him shooting :lol:). Riot Prod (charger) is your best friend, especially at the beginning. I remember how much time I spend crawling in shadows and then going behind the enemy and taking him down with the charger, it is almost always a better method than shooting him. Another good part of it is that bosses (who are extremely powerful) are entirely avoidable, be it by doing certain things before or by planning the battle before you start it which mean that they'll get dead before they can shoot. The game is challenging, and if you play it as a standard shooter you will have a lot of trouble.

While the game has a great story I wouldn't say that the story is as good as FF games (or BioWare games which personally I think that their story is even better than those of Square games) but the gameplay is exceptional and worthy for it alone to be played. I am not a big fan of shooters, but that game is much more than a shooter. It is a perfect hybrid of a shooter-RPG with stealth elements. Now I am going to start playing System Shock 2. According to old school gamers it is the only game who can be compared with Deus Ex and pissed on BioShock.
 
KingEric7 said:
Yeah, it's a cliche I enjoy to be fair. Same with the main characters a lot of the time - obscure people from different corners of the world come together and eventually save the planet/universe. Whatever, it's the execution of it that matters. :)
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Me too, big fan of fantasy in all its guises. Whole scene is cliche laden. Perhaps most things in life are if you study them with any regularity.
 
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