I struggle to find much characters in F1 at all if I am honest, but being Scottish I will always defend my fellow countrymen
The F1 Thread 2013 Season
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I struggle to find much characters in F1 at all if I am honest, but being Scottish I will always defend my fellow countrymen
It was probably a combination of things but it wasn't an issue last year and hasn't been an issue in GP2 as far as I know. I think Brawn was right in asserting Pirelli haven't been able to develop at the same rate as the cars. If Alonso's right rear was going it would seem unlikely it's purely down to one kerb.
He still seems like a decent enough guy though. Boring or not, you'd rather that than someone who is a completely arrogant arse.
A kerb had to play some part, too much of a coincidence 5 cars having cuts/punctures in the same tyre in the same race
Martin Brundle said on Sky that Silverstone is notoriously tough on the rear left at the best of times, combine that with poor tyre builds from Pirelli and it was a recipe for disaster.
The guy from Pirelli was a smart ass as well, when they asked him if he was confident the same wouldnt happen next week he said something along the lines of 'yeah, because we wont be here'
. Why not take some responsibility and just admit your tyres are a bit shitThey're shit because they have been told to design shit tyres.
Tbf, that could easily destroy any type of tyre.
about 20-30 mins after the end of the race.
This is the truth of it, Pirelli could easily make a tyre that could last the whole race.
Thing is this type of failure is totally different from the tyre degradation we have seen before, so they have either went from one problem to a far greater problem or the kerb (s) might have played a bigger part than many think.
Watching it after the race, I tend to agree with you, but I still think the kerb was only part of the problem and needs sorting before there is a bad crash.
Maybe I'm wrong, but who knows, maybe the GP2 drivers weren't racing in the same line(over the kerb) as F1 drivers did.
Same line but not every driver will push onto the kerb. I am starting to doubt that it was a Pirelli issue as we would have seen more than 4 failures if it was. I would not rule out car setup as a possible cause for the failures.
Could be anything, I am sure FIA will find out soon what the problem is, even tough I am not sure they will make it public.
Whitmarsh is saying teams a boycott of the German GP this weekend, I can see his point but I dont think it will happen.
Why don't the FIA say bollocks to the teams that don't want the changes and tell Pirelli to go ahead and do the tyre changes.
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1...P-admits-Whitmarsh-after-Silverstone-blowouts
Why don't the FIA say bollocks to the teams that don't want the changes and tell Pirelli to go ahead and do the tyre changes.
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1...P-admits-Whitmarsh-after-Silverstone-blowouts
Don't see it happening, but a repeat of the Indi fiasco would be very damaging.
That kerb could of easily made the tyre failures happen. Especially as it was the inside of the tyre that was flying apart, it coincides with the kerb in question.
Amazing that this was not picked up previously.
Amazing that this was not picked up previously.
I enjoyed that race, probably the most entertaining race I've seen this season. Not sure what to make of the tyre failure thing though, it isn't exactly what we want to see happen every rounds, but it at least allowed us to see plenty of overtaking and racing as faster cars came back through the pack. Shame the safety car didn't go in a little earlier. It would have been really good to see Webber have a real go at 1st place.
Again the kerb most definately was probably a factor but lets not pretend this hasn't been going on all season.
Sky are running a story about the odds dropping on Button joining Red Bull next season.
There could be something in it, McLaren are poor this season, he may just want to leave.
There could be something in it, McLaren are poor this season, he may just want to leave.
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1...re-failures-says-BRDC-President-Derek-Warwick
Warwick does have a very good point, the kerbs have been used since 2009 and no cars have had trouble, until Sunday, I agree with what he said here.
"We have had them checked by the FIA and they conform fully with the FIA. I think the problem is that we had the secret three-day test for Mercedes a few weeks ago - that test was to build a tyre that was strong enough for the British GP.
"They came up with a tyre and the teams then had to vote on bringing that new tyre to Silverstone and three teams voted against bringing the new tyre to Silverstone. So the teams need to look at themselves - they made the decision not to bring the new tyre. I kind of blame Pirelli, but they did their best to bring a new tyre to Silverstone and three teams voted against it."
Warwick does have a very good point, the kerbs have been used since 2009 and no cars have had trouble, until Sunday, I agree with what he said here.
"We have had them checked by the FIA and they conform fully with the FIA. I think the problem is that we had the secret three-day test for Mercedes a few weeks ago - that test was to build a tyre that was strong enough for the British GP.
"They came up with a tyre and the teams then had to vote on bringing that new tyre to Silverstone and three teams voted against bringing the new tyre to Silverstone. So the teams need to look at themselves - they made the decision not to bring the new tyre. I kind of blame Pirelli, but they did their best to bring a new tyre to Silverstone and three teams voted against it."
He kept his heels clean throughout and minded his own business amongst others' tyre problems and spins, controlled a restart well, made a good decision to come in and change tyres to ensure they were fresh at the end, upped the pace at the end to keep Webber and Alonso clear behind - and he had qualified on the front row the previous day. He was always on track for a very strong result.
Alonso on the other hand had qualified ninth and said he was hoping for, at best, a fifth place. Who had by far the luckier race? With his own tyre problem, Perez's delamination right in front of him, and the fact he could pass cars on much older tyres at the end of the race to make it on the podium? Alonso.
Alonso was luckier that doesn't mean Rosberg deserved the win, he was lucky as well.
Very exciting race, you just didn't know who was going to blow their tyre next. Hamilton to Vettel to Rosberg, gets a bit boring having a leader from start to finish.
Tyre issues yes, but not to the extent we saw at Silverstone.
There is a big difference between tyre wear and tyres blowing out.
Personally I prefer to wait until all relevant tests are done rather than jump on Pirelli.
Why was Alonso luckier, he probably overtook more cars than anyone.
Drivers have good days and bad days, put the bad days behind you and accept any luck than comes your way.
Most top drivers will inherit a win somewhere along the line.
He was luckier because he probably gained a bit more because of those accidents. Anyways that wasn't my point. I was just replying to him. That doesn't mean that he wasn't good that day because he was great.
Silverstone is high speed stuff, Abbey, Copse, Maggots and Becketts complex, Stowe. I think its fair to say Silverstone was the first track this year with constant high speed corners that adds lateral load. We have been to tracks with high speed corners but not any with multiple high speed corners.
I'm not buying the kerbing being a major issue, for starters the kerbs have been there since 2009 and that video with Anderson isn't conclusive of anything, the F1 cars don't use that racing line unless its a mistake and they have multiple types of cars racing there on an F1 weekend, a tin top would probably muller that kerb.
Also we had tyre failures from both sides, outside edge and in Vergne's case inside edge. This video from Davidson after the race explains it better
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/formula-1/8799606/davidson-analyses-tyre-failures
Like he says at the end, why did we go from delaminations with the tyre carcas remaining relatively intact with the steel belt showing to the tyres just exploding at Silverstone?
Agree, it wasn't the kerb like most are saying. I just think it's a combination of Pirelli changing something in the construction, the threads on the Silverstone tyres look completely different to that of Bahrain & Barcelona, and teams going a little extreme with tyre pressures & camber (something RBR got pulled up at Spa a couple of seasons back by Pirelli).
So now all the rest of the teams get to take part in a tyre test, and Mercedes are banned from it!
Good shout. Could easily be the cause.
The kerb has been there since the new complex was built, never been issues before in any formula including the previous 3 F1 races there.
The fact they are now using the YDT to test tyres tells you all you need to know (a decision they wouldn't take lightly), they have a fundamental issue and they are looking for solutions.
The fact they are now using the YDT to test tyres tells you all you need to know (a decision they wouldn't take lightly), they have a fundamental issue and they are looking for solutions.
Tyres will be changed from the next race onwards. Hopefully we'll see more racing than the safety car.
How did I forget about the 2005 US GP , what a farce that was, we never want to see anything like that again.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20319851
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20319851
I remember the two Ferraris almost take each other out of the race, would have been funny if they had