Back of the grid, that is harsh.
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Back of the fecking grid?? Thats a fecking joke. 5 place penalty max
Well well, mcclaren can't do anything right at the moment(excluding the car).
Is it because I is black
Seriously, McLaren are fecking their own drivers chances of any title this season with their strategical decisions. Mental.
The bigger question is why was the car low on fuel? Surely they can't be this dumb and why would they take risk when lewis was already doing well.
He had petrol left, why not just coast around the track. They gained nothing by stopping him.
The feck, they're taking the piss with that. After that shambles of a Q3 they penalise someone for pushing the limit . Whatever advantage they had it wasn't 0.5s worth and wasn't enough to push him to the back of the grid, surely stripping him of his best time would have sufficed?
. Whatever advantage they had it wasn't 0.5s worth and wasn't enough to push him to the back of the grid, surely stripping him of his best time would have sufficed?He stopped on track out in Canada a few seasons ago for the exact same issue and was not penalised then, so what's the justification in penalising him now?
Only 1.3 litres and you need to have 1 litre extra left after going back to the pit.
They need a certain amount of fuel for the FIA to sample, that's why the stopped otherwise they'd have run out of fuel.
After he did that they changed the rules, hence the issue now.
McLaren didnt need to short fuel his car, they had the qualifying pace.
That is unbelievably harsh, I can't quite understand it.
I think back then they gave the reason that lewis was supposed to do only 1 lap at the end but due to special circumstances they decided to do one extra lap, I could be wrong though.
Ah I see, was not aware of that. I'm not a fan of Lewis but back of the grid is crazy punishment
and after that season they made this compulsory.
Mclaren fecked up, not doing a great job in trying to keep Lewis are they. Saying that back of the grid is harsh. Maybe disqualified from Q3 starts 10th whatever but at the back seems unnecessary.
It's harsh but fair...they short fueled him to help him gain an advantage, or maybe he chewed through too much, but the point is, he was never going to have enough for the post quali test sample they require.
So they simply told him to stop on the track. Not the 1st time this has happened with Hamilton, and if they don't make an example of him, what's to stop half the cars doing the same the next race?
*Looking at his times...it's very harsh, because short fueling him didn't get him that huge margin. But you gotta follow the rules...so touch luck.
The FIA just love to feck up shit, don't get the exclusion at all. If he gained an unfair advantage, delete that time and accept his next fastest lap. Unless his car was illegal then it's absolutely ridiculous to demote him to the back. Underfuelling isn't the worst thing you can do, especially when it wouldn't have made a difference (0.5s in fuel is a lot), have the FIA ever ruled with common sense?
So he will start on soft tires right?
Why didn't they just delete the lap where he gained an unfair advantage? Exclsusion is just stupid.
They did not short fuel him purposely or if they did they are bigger idiots than I thought. The logical thing to have done is to scrap his Q3 fastest time, or his Q3 altogether, to just throw him out is fecking mental.
His race is done from back there, no new tyres vs a field of fresh rubber up to the Q3 guys who will be up the road and around the corner should he even get that far. Honestly tomorrow he may as well go full tilt into Lap 1 and if he comes out good then alright, if he bins it then who gives a feck because he needs a miracle anyway.
His race is done from back there, no new tyres vs a field of fresh rubber up to the Q3 guys who will be up the road and around the corner should he even get that far. Honestly tomorrow he may as well go full tilt into Lap 1 and if he comes out good then alright, if he bins it then who gives a feck because he needs a miracle anyway.
No, I take it as he's been excluded from qualifying he hasn't set a lap so he's free to start on whatever tyres he wants.
If this penalty was already in the rule books then only mcclaren themselves are responsible for this.
rain rain rain rain
It won't rain, it never does when you need it to. Best he can do now is go into this race with no expectations and think about Monaco and possibly getting a German passport.
It's not in the rule books, you can get a sporting penalty but many expected a 5-10 place grid drop, it's completely at the discretion of the stewards.
In that case, its just a dumb move by fia.
Article 6.2.2 in the Technical Regulations:
6.6.2 Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event.
Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards of the meeting), if a sample of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its own power.
So the long & short of it is that McLaren had no case of force majeure.
Right but where does it say you can get excluded from Qualifying? Do they stop him or let him drive on and not give a sample? Very harsh for a potential human error, very amateurish mind considering the gap McLaren had in the end.
The fact that they couldn't provide a litre's sample from the car going back to the pits of its own steam leaves McLaren at the mercy of the stewards with regards to the punishment.
Also the fact they've got previous on this is probably the reason why Lewis is excluded from qualifying.
Exclusion? Do really think this merits exclusion though? Simply deleting the lap where he apparently gained an advantage should suffice?
Personally no, i feel its very harsh. However I can understand why they've got it given their previous in Canada 2010.
That is a joke why the hell ba ck of the grid?
Very very harsh , I thought it would of been 5 places max
Paddy Lowe has tweeted apologising for the error, not good enough paddy. Given the almost guaranteed pit stop feck ups these days Lewis will be lucky not to finish last
They have said they did have enough, they had 1.3 litres left in the tank and a sample was taken.
The fact was that they probably would of run below that mark before he made it back - something that mclaren say would not have happened though
If it wouldn't have happened, then they wouldn't have told Lewis to stop.
Thats unbelievably poor from Mclaren. Ridiculous. But back of the grid for that sort of error is a joke.
When you consider people get 5 grid slots penalty for crashing into each other.
When you consider people get 5 grid slots penalty for crashing into each other.
I think they believed that if they told the officials it was a pump problem, they would let him off because; especially as he was .500 of a second ahead.
Martin whitmarsh isnt up too the job of team boss at Mclaren IMO.
They have definitely suffered since Ron Dennis stepped down.