The F1 Thread 2012 Season

I get the feeling its Alonso pushing them for it, he comes across as that sort of driver. Honestly I think its desperation, unless there is footage we haven't seen then I can't see anything punishable because I'm pretty sure they established that the yellow on Kobayashi was a red/yellow and the Vergne one was under green.

We shall see I guess, they haven't officially protested yet anyway.
 
Maybe the next thing would be Red Bull looking over all this season's races and finding fault with Alonso...
 
Leg-End said:
I get the feeling its Alonso pushing them for it, he comes across as that sort of driver. Honestly I think its desperation, unless there is footage we haven't seen then I can't see anything punishable because I'm pretty sure they established that the yellow on Kobayashi was a red/yellow and the Vergne one was under green.

We shall see I guess, they haven't officially protested yet anyway.
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I agree it is desperation and just something that Alonso would do.
Has you know I have no love for Vettel the driver but I hate Alonso even more.
If it does happen, for me it would tarnish a very good season.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
If they do and they win , it would be just rubbish, they should of said something at the time.
Sour grapes comes to mind.
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Also, I'm guessing you haven't actually read the article and are assuming that this is about the Kobayashi incident? If so, fair enough, because I assumed the same thing too. If this were a protest regarding the Kobayashi yellow flags incident then you'd be right in that it's dodgy to wait until after the race to appeal (although I still don't think it's "wrong"), because everyone knew about that situation during the race.

But this is about a separate incident of Vettel overtaking under yellows in the same race. In this situation he's overtaken Verne under yellow flags, so Ferrari are only on the verge of appealing now because it probably took a while for it to be brought to their attention and they want to make damn sure they have all the evidence before they make a protest.

Besides, the official rules of F1 specifically stipulate that protests that might affect the standings of a world championship must be made before 30 November, so they clearly accept that fact that things might be missed during and immediately after the race.
 
i fecking can't stand alonso and the jumped up tifosi.

I don't think there has been a driver in F1 that i've disliked as much as alonso. If i were a driver on the grid i would love to bash his skull in with me helmet.
 
Count Orduck said:
Also, I'm guessing you haven't actually read the article and are assuming that this is about the Kobayashi incident? If so, fair enough, because I assumed the same thing too. If this were a protest regarding the Kobayashi yellow flags incident then you'd be right in that it's dodgy to wait until after the race to appeal (although I still don't think it's "wrong"), because everyone knew about that situation during the race.

But this is about a separate incident of Vettel overtaking under yellows in the same race. In this situation he's overtaken Verne under yellow flags, so Ferrari are only on the verge of appealing now because it probably took a while for it to be brought to their attention and they want to make damn sure they have all the evidence before they make a protest.

Besides, the official rules of F1 specifically stipulate that protests that might affect the standings of a world championship must be made before 30 November, so they clearly accept that fact that things might be missed during and immediately after the race.
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Guilty has charged :nervous:

Cheers for the rest, I have read it now.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
i fecking can't stand alonso and the jumped up tifosi.

I don't think there has been a driver in F1 that i've disliked as much as alonso. If i were a driver on the grid i would love to bash his skull in with me helmet.
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You into that kind of thing? :devil:

It's ridiculous that it's come to this. Title was won on Sunday evening and they're still discussing this on almost Thursday morning. Bloody hell :lol:

I agree with you though. Alonso is unbearable. It's funny how much hate Vettel gets compared to Alonso when one is a dickhead and the other actually comes across as a really nice and fun guy.
 
Watching the video, he definitely does pass Verne under yellows. Interesting to see what comes of this.
 
There was a Marshall on a post at the start of the straight waving a green flag, the straight was green and the pass was legal.
 
Rado_N said:
There was a Marshall on a post at the start of the straight waving a green flag, the straight was green and the pass was legal.
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Isn't the yellow light flashing at a point after the start of the straight?
 
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Quality is pretty crap but you can see the marshall on the left waving his flag, which is after the yellows and means the track is green.
 
"Ferrari have written to Formula 1's governing body asking for a clarification of Sebastian Vettel's controversial pass in Brazil, reports BBC Sport's Andrew Benson.

The Italian team want the FIA to rule officially on whether the German's overtake of Toro Rosso's Jean-Eric Vergne was legitimate.

If it is not, the German could be given a penalty that would make Ferrari driver Fernando Alonso world champion.

Ferrari's action is not the same as appealing against the race result."

- BBC Sport
 
Can't see anything wrong with what Ferrari are doing, they're just looking clarification on the overtake. Brundle mentioned the incident during the race and he was pretty sure Vettel would end up with a drive through so I am surprised the stewards ignored it, they should not be investigating it four days after the race especially when it could have an effect on the WDC.
 
At the same time as Ferrari maybe not doing anything wrong with seeking to clarify something that is possibly against the rules, if I were Alonso I wouldn't want that WC. Nobody will care about it, everybody will still remember Vettel, he's missed the chance to celebrate it etc. It just won't be the same. Ferrari should have sorted it out during the race.
 
4 Days after just seems silly. Sure appeal at the time, but this far after the race just doesn't seem right
 
Formula 1's governing body the FIA believes world champion Sebastian Vettel committed no offence during the Brazilian Grand Prix.

Ferrari had written to the FIA asking for clarification of whether the German's overtake of Toro Rosso's Jean-Eric Vergne was legitimate.

Vettel could have faced a potential penalty that would have made Ferrari's Fernando Alonso champion.

However, 25-year-old Vettel's third successive world title is set to stand.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20541589

So that's that then.
 
Stewards represent the FIA at races.

The World Motorsport Council can, however, override it's own Stewards should they deem it appropriate, i.e. if further evidence is made available etc.
 
Red Bull are doing what Ferrari have always done (broken rules and spent the most money), but are doing it better, and Ferrari don't like that.
 
Jaz said:
Inconsistent application of rules.

Nothing new from the FIA.
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"But the FIA has made it clear that Vettel did not begin his move until passing a green flag, indicating the end of the no-overtaking zone, which is not clearly visible on the video."

I think you simply mean, "application of the rules by the FIA"
 
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