The F1 Thread 2011 Season

R_Nick said:
From Sky Sports website.

I get the impression from reading the above that Sky want us to know their coverage will be live.

Sounds like build up coverage won't be dedicated if it's just going to be on SSN, which is a bit shit.
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mmm that does sound like there will be no build up on Sky like we get now , I agree that will be shit.
Hopefully somebody up high will be watching how BBC do it ,including FP and say we can do better , BBC's buildup before each race is excellent.
 
Agreed, for them to say they will be giving F1 "a commitment to each race never seen before on UK television" and then have no dedicated pre race build up would be moronic in the extreme.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I think its going to be a case of wait and see what Sky do.
Sometimes the pre race buildup is better than the race.
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:lol: Valencia.

Just had a look over at the P-F1 forum and somebody claims to have emailed Sky and had a reply saying every second of the races will be shown. Whether that means no adverts or adverts with the race still shown in an insert in the top corner or something remains to be seen.
 
R_Nick said:
:lol: Valencia.

Just had a look over at the P-F1 forum and somebody claims to have emailed Sky and had a reply saying every second of the races will be shown. Whether that means no adverts or adverts with the race still shown in an insert in the top corner or something remains to be seen.
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well they had a former driver on Sky News , forgot who he was and he said that there would be no adverts.
Only problem I can see is that before and after the race you will get a mass of adverts.
When ITV did F1 they had races with no adverts and they did not do a bad job, Sky should do a better job than them.
 
mmm just had a though.
Maybe Sky could have a dedicated F1 Channel , showing everything live , pre season testing and when there is no race old classics.
Not sure how it would work or even how they would charge.
Perhaps they could make that a separate channel for those that want it and if you have Sky Sports you get it free.
 
R_Nick said:
:lol: Valencia.

Just had a look over at the P-F1 forum and somebody claims to have emailed Sky and had a reply saying every second of the races will be shown. Whether that means no adverts or adverts with the race still shown in an insert in the top corner or something remains to be seen.
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Just been on the Forum you mentioned and from first look its like an F1 RAWK.
Lots of posters saying they wont give money to Sky , which I can understand.
Some of the comments are just plain daft.
But I was thinking that the ones that watch F1 here ,I would say most already have Sky Sports to watch football, so it would not make any differance to them
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Just been on the Forum you mentioned and from first look its like an F1 RAWK.
Lots of posters saying they wont give money to Sky , which I can understand.
Some of the comments are just plain daft.
But I was thinking that the ones that watch F1 here ,I would say most already have Sky Sports to watch football, so it would not make any differance to them
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Oh aye mate there's some full on retards on there. There's a couple of knowledgeable decent lads but they're mostly lost amongst the idiots, I stopped posting on there years ago.

My issue with Sky isn't the cost of getting Sky Sports, although I can understand that being a huge issue for people who don't have Sky already, it's the actual quality of the coverage.

Re your earlier post; ITV did have ads during the race, and it was hugely annoying. I remember them missing a few engine explosions at key moments during races, which is why I was so happy when BBC got the rights. I don't see how Sky can be anything other than a step back considering BBC's coverage is so good in the first place and even if it's only before/after there will be adverts on Sky's coverage, and as we know from HT with the footy, when they have to go any length of time without showing adverts they more than make up for it when they get the chance; of the 15 minutes at half time 10 of them must be adverts.
 
R_Nick said:
Oh aye mate there's some full on retards on there. There's a couple of knowledgeable decent lads but they're mostly lost amongst the idiots, I stopped posting on there years ago.

My issue with Sky isn't the cost of getting Sky Sports, although I can understand that being a huge issue for people who don't have Sky already, it's the actual quality of the coverage.

Re your earlier post; ITV did have ads during the race, and it was hugely annoying. I remember them missing a few engine explosions at key moments during races, which is why I was so happy when BBC got the rights. I don't see how Sky can be anything other than a step back considering BBC's coverage is so good in the first place and even if it's only before/after there will be adverts on Sky's coverage, and as we know from HT with the footy, when they have to go any length of time without showing adverts they more than make up for it when they get the chance; of the 15 minutes at half time 10 of them must be adverts.
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I already have Sky Sports so it does not really b other me at home , but at work it will , I will have to use my BB dongal and that will cost me.
But I fully understand why people dont want give Sky money and some just cant afford it.
Now you will need Sky Sports all year , where has I used to turn it off during the close season , so yes like that it will cost me more money.
I must admit that when F1 was on ITV I did not watch it much.
Personally I think Sky will be OK , they did a good job with football.
 
I'm a student. I can't afford sky. My dad and granddad are huge f1 fans they can't afford sky either. My granddad doesn't even have the internet for fecks sake. F1 will lose a lot of its senior audience.
 
Formula 1 teams are to seek clarification from Bernie Ecclestone on the new BBC/Sky television deal amid concerns about the sport moving away from free-to-air television in 2012.

In a shock announcement on Friday morning, the BBC and Sky announced that they would be sharing coverage of F1 in Britain next year - with Sky showing every race on its subscription channels and the BBC showing only half of them.

That move has led to outrage from fans, who are unhappy that they will not be able to follow every race on free-to-air television.

Team principals have also expressed some surprise at not having every race shown on free-to-air television, but they want more details from Ecclestone to find out what the specifics of the deal are.

McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh said that he would seek more information from Ecclestone, especially because he felt it important F1 was not taken off free-to-air.

"As I understand BBC are covering half the grands prix, and Sky are doing every practice session and everything else. It's interesting," he told AUTOSPORT. "I don't think anyone should be immediately reacting to say this is good, bad, or indifferent.

"What we need to understand is whether the large audience we currently enjoy in Formula 1 will be maintained. I think we also need to understand exactly how this is being done."

Whitmarsh said moves to take F1 off free-to-air could be viewed as a breach of the Concorde Agreement, with him claiming that there were clauses in the deal that ties the teams, Ecclestone and the FIA together that guarantees the sport's broadcast platform.

"We've got a range of safeguards within Concorde, and the right thing to do is to explore how the Formula 1 coverage is going to be dealt with in the future, and take a view from there," he said. "I don't know how many homes in the UK have Sky, but it is a pretty high proportion."

Williams chairman Adam Parr said the key was understanding the finer details of the arrangement - because what teams lose in widespread television viewing figures could be gained in an increased revenue from Sky.

"In principle I have no issue with optimising the balance between the revenues that we need, and getting a good reach in the audience," he told AUTOSPORT. "The devil is in the detail.

"I think it is a balance and, without knowing the details, you cannot comment on whether it is good or bad. What I do know is that Bernie is a very passionate believer in getting the broadest audience possible and I think he has almost certainly done this in order to do that. "

When asked what his message would be to disappointed fans, Parr said: "I am sympathetic to them. I understand it is difficult - but English Premier League fans have had that for a while haven't they?

"The one thing I would say, which I have said before, I know that whether you are coming to a race or are watching the sport at home and have to do that on pay TV which seems expensive, people have to bear in mind what it costs to put on this show. It is part of the character of F1.

"For us to design and build the two cars that we will have on the grid on Sunday here, without putting an engine in them, without putting a driver in them, without accounting for the 70 staff that we bring to each race – without all of that those cars cost £2 million. You multiply that by all the cars on the grid and that is £24 million minimum of the costs just to make the parts. That is part of the show.

"It is not a bloke or two blokes with a tennis racket and a pair of plimsolls with zero cost. It is a very, very expensive sport. The best thing we can do for fans, whether they want to come to the races or want to watch it on TV, is to reduce the cost of the sport without spoiling the show."

Parr also pointed out that the Sky/BBC deal was part of a changing media platform – and he drew comparisons between it and the 'freemium' platform of AUTOSPORT.

"I think that media distribution has changed so much, whether you have gone from paper magazines to a combination of magazine and online," he said. "For example, if you are a lover of AUTOSPORT you have a subscription service there as well as a free-to-air element. The whole media landscape is changing so quickly.

"The argument from AUTOSPORT would be: we cannot do this for free. We can get some revenue from advertising on the website, some from selling magazines, but we have to optimise our income – and if you want the really good quality of the coverage that you love it is not free, we have to pay to get people to the events.

"It is a question of degree and balance but also recognising that the way media is distributed is changing. It may well be that the next time around it is not Sky because Google has won the bid and we are all watching it live on the Internet."

BBC commentator and former F1 driver Martin Brundle said on Twitter that he was "not impressed" with the deal.

"BBC/Sky/F1 2012+. Found out last night, no idea how it will work yet I'm out of contract, will calmly work through options. Not impressed," he wrote.
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From AutoSport, Whitmarsh's comments about the Concorde Agreement are interesting.
 
Colin129 said:
Cricket going on Sky ruined it. Nothing wrong with the coverage, its excellent, but it reduces the access & therefore the interest.

Same will happen with F1, dark day indeed...
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Agree in regard to Cricket, i have regularly attended county games for years, and i noticed a huge decrease in people attending these games. Terrestrial television coverage of test Cricket really did wonders in maintaining general interest in the game in this country. Nobody knows yet if this will have detrimental effects on the quantity of Cricketers this country produces.

In the end it boils down to how much money everybody can make, so F1 moving to sky just seems inevitable.
 
I'm fecking gutted, I can't afford sky and love F1
 
CircusMonkey said:
Agree in regard to Cricket, i have regularly attended county games for years, and i noticed a huge decrease in people attending these games. Terrestrial television coverage of test Cricket really did wonders in maintaining general interest in the game in this country. Nobody knows yet if this will have detrimental effects on the quantity of Cricketers this country produces.

In the end it boils down to how much money everybody can make, so F1 moving to sky just seems inevitable.
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What pissed me off about that more than anything was that it happened right after the 2005 Ashes victory when interest in cricket was at an all time high...

The audience for F1 will reduce dramatically, sponsorship too I would have thought....
 
Watch the streams pop up like rampant weeds for the Sky races. I always felt this was going to happen when the BBC contract grumblings started, how sharing events works I will never know. BBC 2009-2011 has been perfect coverage (minus Legard) and now they have goofed it.
 
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Red Bull broke the curfew for the first time last night to work on Sebastian Vettel's car. They made wholesale changes, mainly on the rear, which included replacing the rear wing beam overnight.

The work seems to of worked he is 6/10th faster than Lewis in P3
 
Only twice has Sebastian Vettel won a grand prix when not leading into the first corner

So stop him from getting onto the front row and he won't win in all probability :D
 
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