The F1 Thread 2010 Season

Hamilton's a great driver to watch, for outright pace and talent he dwarfs Button. It's this that also tends to cause him the most controversies, strange decision from the team but I'd be more pissed off at Webber for being an absolute tit.

Alonso was blameless, Hamilton let him back through and then Webber decides feck up both their races. Thick aussie.
 
I was watching it live and didn't look like Alonso did anything against the rules.

Lewis lost his cool before the last few laps anyway and was publicly slating the team on pit to car radio. He would have passed Alonso if he had retained his composure. He was quicker by 2 secs a lap.
 
Instant Karma said:
I was watching it live and didn't look like Alonso did anything against the rules.

Lewis had lost his cool before the last few laps anyway and was publicly slating the team on pit to car radio. He would have passed Alonso if he had retained his composure. He was quicker by 2 secs a lap.
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No chance. His tyres were gone and actually passing as opposed to beating lap times in clean air is a completely different story. He was much faster than Kubica too, but couldn't find a way past him either. He lost the race well before he caught up to the Ferraris.

All I heard was "why did you pit me twice".
 
Alonso did nothing wrong, he covered his own line from what I saw. The man that should be punished is Webber for driving like a lunatic on more than one occasion, what he was trying to do in that last incident I will never know.
 
Instant Karma said:
He was on his third set of tyres and it's unlikely to be in worse shape than the front 4 who stopped just once. Lewis lost his head.
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He stopped twice. Once after Button, and once again with about 20 laps to go. The first set was barely used because of the SC. The race engineers also said that the tyres had gone, straight from the horse's mouth.

If you stop and think for a minute then you'll realise that overtaking isn't a simple, straightforward function of lap time differentials. E.g. Alonso who hadn't lost his composure wasn't able to pass Massa, despite the fact that Massa was all over the place and Alonso was much, much faster.

The aerodynamics of the cars are primarily designed with constant, mostly unifrom airflow over the chassis. It's too computationally expensive and infeasible to model turbulent air from all the different rear wings. The advantage of slipstreaming can only be had within 1-2m of the car in front, where air pressure is substantially lower (but obviously more inconsistent). The fact is that McLaren vs Ferrari in straight line speeds are evenly matched despite different tyre wears, and Lewis wore out his tyres doing 1-2 seconds faster than anybody else. It's a catch 22, you can't get slipstreaming without being close enough, you can't get close enough on straights because you're constantly struggling with lack of downforce in the previous corner due to turbulent air.
 
Jesus christ.....

For those that need Clarification, the only suspect blocking move came from Massa earlier on in the day. Alonso moved to the inside to cover his line into the breaking area and so Lewis had to pull out. Unfortunately Webber wasn't paying attention and went in far too hot. As for before the previous corner, Alonso held the racing line and only turned across to commit to the apex of the corner. Completely legit as its not a passing corner and Lewis knows this.

It is not a trade secret that Lewis is hard on his tyres. His driving style is very erratic and thus he grains tyres more easily then others. Perhaps if he drove like Button he could get away with a one stop strategy on the softs, but he doesn't. It wouldn't surprise me either if he cooked his rears coming through the field earlier and thus needed to stop like Webber.


Lewis lost his cool, but that doesn't mean he could of passed Alonso. Schumacher has a far superior car to those around him but could do feck all in the dirty air. He didn't get the benefit of Lewis and Webber in the slightly damp conditions. By the time he had hit 12th the track was practically bone dry. Same reason Alonso couldn't get Massa and the debacle at the end.

Action packed or not, in a dry race there would still have been feck all passing.
 
Non issue for me Alonso did nothing covered racing line for me. Champions drive from Jenson he took the risk and it paid off. With Lewis starting 11th, pitting twice, getting hit by Webber and at times losing his cool great drive from him.
 
Just to point out I have finally seen the incident, and I have no idea what the bloke on 5 Live was going on about. Webbers fault, Alonso blameless. Sorry about that, only repeating what I heard.
 
Great race i thought, lots of twists & turns in terms of the story. Mainly thanks to the weather.

Thought McLaren could of easily had a 1-2 but a bizarre choice (i see Whitmarsh's point about slight blistering on the left rear, i dont think it would of hindered him though) to bring in Hamilton to get a new set of slicks on. I think Hamilton is fully justified in venting his frustration at the team.

Eddie Jordan had it bang on right where by something must be done with the cars to ensure this 'dirty air' isn't an issue for over taking any more as its preventing actual racing from taking place.

Vettel must be screaming inside, he looks by & far the world champion material both with the car and with the driving this year but reliability of the Red Bull, similar to last season might i add, is causing problems yet again for him.
 
What a fecking knobhead Webber is

How many times have you heard him bleating about 'rookie' drivers not being good enough to race with him, and then he pulls bell end moves like that?! Off twice today due to inept driving, the second costing Hamilton thankfully only a position, maybe two

Good race though. Bar the rain, much of the interest was because a few teams tried different tyre strategies. The worry is that it didn't work for those that took the extra stop, so we might not see it in future

Well done Button, Hamilton was probably the best driver out there on the day, good day for McClaren even if it was a bit more eventful than it might have been. They shouldn't have pitted Hamilton again and you can understand his frustration. He's been very good with his team particularly last season when they couldn't give him the car he wanted, but when it's tactics which cost him positions... I think he's right to scold them
 
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just wait till one of your drivers crashes and is out for a few weeks... that 45m tactic will bite you on the bum I hope
 
The only thing Webber did wrong was not taking that deplorable little cnut Hamilton out completely. I know you'll all love him because he's English, but he's actually a cnut of the highest order.

Once Red Bull give Vettel a car that works he'll romp this championship in.
 
MUFC1902 said:
The only thing Webber did wrong was not taking that deplorable little cnut Hamilton out completely. I know you'll all love him because he's English, but he's actually a cnut of the highest order.

Once Red Bull give Vettel a car that works he'll romp this championship in.
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it ok we know your an aussie... your probably just being racist and a pomm basher... its what you have instead of culture and a spirit of fair play over there isnt it ;)
 
EZee said:
it ok we know your an aussie... your probably just being racist and a pomm basher... its what you have instead of culture and a spirit of fair play over there isnt it ;)
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First generation Aussie to two English parents, and actually deplore the term 'pom'. So nice try there.

Webber put his hands up and said it was his fault, move on. Truth be known Fernando Alonso is my favourite driver. Oh, I can't say that too loud, can I? Given I'm a racist and all.
 
MUFC1902 said:
Webber put his hands up and said it was his fault
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Oh how big of him

Course it was his fecking fault! Amateur hour from one of the most experienced drivers on the grid, who's ripped into others for their mistakes in the past, whether they've held their hands up or not

I think he lacks bottle, twice he lost it today and chucked it off. He'll never win the World Championship he covets because he hasn't got the quality. Give the majority of F1 drivers the same car as him, and they'll get more out of it all day long
 
MUFC1902 said:
First generation Aussie to two English parents, and actually deplore the term 'pom'. So nice try there.

Webber put his hands up and said it was his fault, move on. Truth be known Fernando Alonso is my favourite driver. Oh, I can't say that too loud, can I? Given I'm a racist and all.
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Mark Webber is such a bellend. I've despised him for ages, along with his cnut of a team principle Christian Horner (who whinges about everything), so it didn't surprise me to see him driving like a spastic today.

Lacked the bottle to put it on pole, shat himself at the start to lose another position and then just lost his head as he slipped further and further back and started to throw his car (and other people's) off the circuit.

Not to mention his getting away with being over a meter too far forward last race on his grid box - why that wasn't called up on I'll never know. It pleases me that he's finished far too far down the field in these last two races given the ridiculous strength his car, and that his teammate - bar reliability issues that aren't his fault - is absolutely embarrassing him.

Also, a shout out to the classy (as always) Aussie fans, who saw fit to boo the drivers on the podium because none of them were Mark Webber.
 
Yeah I thought they were booing Jenson but the BBC F1 forum said they were booing the Aussie politician.
 
Webber is very fortunate not to be looking at some kind of sanction for that, probably should be looking at a grid penalty for the next race, so to escape is very fortunate

I guess that's a new benchmark of what is acceptable
 
Instant Karma said:
A couple of more such races and Button could be the new no.1 driver in his team
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Button did brilliant with his decision to pit early for his slicks today and he looked after his tyres well but I fully expect Hamilton to be ahead of him at the end of the season. Should be a good battle all the same
 
Instant Karma said:
A couple of more such races and Button could be the new no.1 driver in his team
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a couple more toys thrown out of hamiltons pram and mclaren might be quite happy with that...

thought it was very unprofessional the way he was complaining in public after the race... I think he was probably right about the things he was saying... just that behind closed doors would be the place to do that imo
 
EZee said:
thought it was very unprofessional the way he was complaining in public after the race... I think he was probably right about the things he was saying... just that behind closed doors would be the place to do that imo
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Whitmarsh said it all really in that things like this keeps it all entertaining. Barrichello did it last year with Brawn albeit in an interview after the race.

You have to remember, he wasnt complaining in public, he was doing it on his team radio. The drivers don't know what goes out by F1 Admin, and i'm pretty sure they were trying to depict the story as well as possible. Lewis only said what everyone else was thinking. McLaren got it very wrong for him & in their case missed out on a 1-2.
 
F-Red said:
Whitmarsh said it all really in that things like this keeps it all entertaining. Barrichello did it last year with Brawn albeit in an interview after this.

You have to remember, he wasnt complaining in public, he was doing it on his team radio. The drivers don't know what goes out by F1 Admin, and i'm pretty sure they were trying to depict the story as well as possible. Lewis only said what everyone else was thinking. McLaren got it very wrong for him & in their case missed out on a 1-2.
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actually i was on about an interview i saw on the bbc website...
 
EZee said:
actually i was on about an interview i saw on the bbc website...
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I saw the interview he did with Leigh McKenzie of the BBC after the race and all he said was that someone at McLaren got the strategy wrong (which they did), nothing i heard that sounded unprofessional or something that had to be discussed in private, seeing as it was painfully clear that it was the wrong call for him. Ironically, it was probably one of his best races in F1 as well, just a shame that the strategy & then Webber's foolish driving put an end to a good result.
 
F-Red said:
I saw the interview he did with Leigh McKenzie of the BBC after the race and all he said was that someone at McLaren got the strategy wrong (which they did), nothing i heard that sounded unprofessional or something that had to be discussed in private, seeing as it was painfully clear that it was the wrong call for him. Ironically, it was probably one of his best races in F1 as well, just a shame that the strategy & then Webber's foolish driving put an end to a good result.
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to each their own but it struck me as incredibally unproffesional...

just like a football player saying yeah i had a great game but our fullback gashed it up... its all his fault...

you win as a team and you loose as a team... and any arguments take place off camera... just my view on it like
 
EZee said:
to each their own but it struck me as incredibally unproffesional...

just like a football player saying yeah i had a great game but our fullback gashed it up... its all his fault...

you win as a team and you loose as a team... and any arguments take place off camera... just my view on it like
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Well what it didnt say on the BBC report on the site that during that interview he did mention the job that the team did during the whole weekend. He was asked whether the call to be brought in for new slicks towards the end was the right call, to which he honestly replied that it wasn't. If you see the interview then you'll understand the nature and context of the comments.

An issue out of nothing in my opinion (same with Whitmarsh), it'd be far more unprofessional if it wasn't true or was more down to Hamilton's driving in that he fecked up the race.
 
in other news Schumacher was really struggling today, is he starting to lose it?
 
F-Red said:
Well what it didnt say on the BBC report on the site that during that interview he did mention the job that the team did during the whole weekend. He was asked whether the call to be brought in for new slicks towards the end was the right call, to which he honestly replied that it wasn't. If you see the interview then you'll understand the nature and context of the comments.

An issue out of nothing in my opinion (same with Whitmarsh), it'd be far more unprofessional if it wasn't true or was more down to Hamilton's driving in that he fecked up the race.
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BBC Sport - F1 - Lewis Hamilton frustrated by McLaren's 'wrong' strategy

I found it unproffesional... yes he had a point but to me you keep it behind closed doors
 
F-Red said:
in other news Schumacher was really struggling today, is he starting to lose it?
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Schumi claimed that had he not been taken out at the start he would have fought hard for the podium. Who knows? What is obvious is that once it started to dry up overtaking became impossible again, and the Mercedes simply isn't strong enough to breeze past cars even in the midfield, unlike the Ferrari (which allowed Alonso to fight his way back up).
 
Count Duckula said:
Schumi claimed that had he not been taken out at the start he would have fought hard for the podium. Who knows? What is obvious is that once it started to dry up overtaking became impossible again, and the Mercedes simply isn't strong enough to breeze past cars even in the midfield, unlike the Ferrari (which allowed Alonso to fight his way back up).
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yes it does raise some concerns about the rest of the season...
 
I'm not 100% convinced they got it wrong with Hamilton, they probably had to cover Webber and Rosberg (?) who pitted before Hamilton, and if they thought that Hamilton may eat up his tyres and need to pit at any stage, they definitely would have passed him as the new tyres were 2s/lap quicker.

So, it wasn't for me, and entirely terrible decision as is being made out.
 
they have to do something about the overtaking it was ridiculous how Lewis caught up to alonso but then couldn't get past him. They can adjust the front wing can't they, so why can't they adjust the rear too?

Plus why did Lewis have to go into the pits? If he thought he could survive on those tyres then shouldn't it be his call to go in or not? Especially when he is questioning the call, shouldn't the driver be partly responsible for their own race strategy ?
 
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