The F1 Thread 2009 Season

I'm putting that down to a moustash fetish then Wibble

There's a good teaser question. Has there been a F1 racing driver with a tash since Mansell? And not some little shitty bit of crap that comes after days without a shave, a proper job
 
Brad said:
Well no actually, that's not strictly true. Brawn don't for one

And last years title challenger Massa was the 'number 2' at Ferrari (so much for remembering off the top of your head eh!), but it doesn't matter. You get the same car, the team doesn't deliberately penalise you so the other guy can do better. Their goal is to get both their drivers ahead of the field
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Naa we'll agree to differ - for me both drivers get the same 'shell' of the current car but they never get exactly the same car under the hood - the number one driver is called number one for a reason and he gets the best of the testing, the mechanical input and the teams' time spent on him

From what you say the cars are identical which would imply both drivers would be happy to drive either car - but we all know they would'nt though

I agree there is a difference in abilities and talents in drivers (no two people are the very same obviously) but not enough that would see a non top ten driver not be able to win in the best car imo

Also of course the team does not deliberately penalise you but in essence if you have less time spent on your car than the number one driver you will end up not getting the best support so you can end up getting 'penalised' inadvertently.

No number 2 driver is ever happy from the 30/40 years I've watched F1.

General consensus is that you are prepared to go in as a no 2, do your best and wait till the number 1 moves on and then hopefully you get your chance. That is how I thought it has always worked
 
The best thing for McLaren to do now is to plough all their resources into next seasons car. I can't see anyone other than Brawn/Red Bull competing for the title this season.
 
Jopub said:
Naa we'll agree to differ - for me both drivers get the same 'shell' of the current car but they never get exactly the same car under the hood - the number one driver is called number one for a reason and he gets the best of the testing, the mechanical input and the teams' time spent on him

From what you say the cars are identical which would imply both drivers would be happy to drive either car - but we all know they would'nt though

I agree there is a difference in abilities and talents in drivers (no two people are the very same obviously) but not enough that would see a non top ten driver not be able to win in the best car imo

Also of course the team does not deliberately penalise you but in essence if you have less time spent on your car than the number one driver you will end up not getting the best support so you can end up getting 'penalised' inadvertently.

No number 2 driver is ever happy from the 30/40 years I've watched F1.

General consensus is that you are prepared to go in as a no 2, do your best and wait till the number 1 moves on and then hopefully you get your chance. That is how I thought it has always worked
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'thought'

Unless you have some information on the activities of Brawn GP that even Barrichello doesn't, how exactly is he treated as a 'number 2' driver? Or are you just making the claim because Button has dominated in that team? Which is all about the driver, not the car

You're talking about how Ferrari used to operate under Schumacher. For the most part, that's just an extreme instance. Most teams give the same chances and opportunities to both drivers. Why would they deliberately penalise one of their own drivers, giving their opponents a better chance of beating them? Just wouldn't make sense
 
Spoony said:
Of course it is. The fact that Button might win the championship proves that.
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I think we have uncovered that Spoony doesnt rate Button much hence the old its all about the car routine. It's the car its the car its the car but it wasnt the same for Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton and Hakkinen.

F1 is essentially a time trial with other cars on track, very rarely does an overtaking manouvre decide a race and that still has to be fixed but just because one driver is winning that has never been doing it regularly doesnt mean they arnt a good driver. I have said it before but I will say it again, no team mate of Button has ever won a grand prix in the same car as him and if a guy that steered one driver to 7 world titles says hes good then I think we best believe him.
 
botond said:
thank you
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However i do agree with Spoonys point, his car contributes a massive amount to his driving skill this year.

When you have a car underneath you that is as good as the Brawn, the confidence Jenson has with the car shows in the performance.
 
Huge news, I think FOTA have called the FIA's bluff here, it's probably the biggest news since F1 began, effectively next season there will be no F1, the best racing will be whatever FOTA call their breakaway series.

This could be painful, but it could also be good for the fans, too early to tell, the IRL/Champcar split didn't work out but this is a different type of racing.

I know one thing, the BBC are shitting themselves over that F1 contact.
 
This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders.
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That in itself is amazing news, the amount of people who can't afford to buy tickets when it comes to their own countries is way too much. If they keep their promise I can see lower ticket prices being a big big bonus
 
Fun fun

"Brawn GP, Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, Toyota, BMW Sauber, Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso" are the break away teams. That's some list of teams!

Mosley and Bernie would be left with Williams, Force India, Campos, US F1 and Manor

I know which one I'd be watching!!! And I know where the best drivers would be too

I hate splits in sport, usually they're driven by greed and tear the sport up. But here, there's a consensus amongst the teams bar Williams and Force India, and it sounds like they're more willing to take into account the interests of the fans and run a better racing series. Mosley and Bernie have took the piss for too long

I'm sure there's still time for compromise, but it's about time things were shook up. If nothing else this readdresses the balance of power somewhat
 
Brad said:
Fun fun

"Brawn GP, Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, Toyota, BMW Sauber, Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso" are the break away teams. That's some list of teams!

Mosley and Bernie would be left with Williams, Force India, Campos, US F1 and Manor

I know which one I'd be watching!!! And I know where the best drivers would be too

I hate splits in sport, usually they're driven by greed and tear the sport up. But here, there's a consensus amongst the teams bar Williams and Force India, and it sounds like they're more willing to take into account the interests of the fans and run a better racing series. Mosley and Bernie have took the piss for too long

I'm sure there's still time for compromise, but it's about time things were shook up. If nothing else this readdresses the balance of power somewhat
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Fantastic news and a fantastic result for racing fans world wide.

Excited about the new series. Finally f1 as it should be. Not controlled by an egotistical moronic halfwit and the money maker.
 
they are going to need some tracks to race at (if it actually happens)

hopefully they'll have a race at leguna seca
 
20solskjaer said:
they are going to need some tracks to race at (if it actually happens)

hopefully they'll have a race at leguna seca
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Adelaide
Monza
Imola
A1 Ring
Singapore
Silverstone
Mangy Cours
Jerez
Hockenheim
Spa
Indianapolis
Nurburgring
Fuji
Interlagos
Potrero de los Funes Circuit 'Argentina'
Valencia
Suzuka
Montreal
Hungoring
Monaco

Would be a pretty good championship to me.

In order.

Jerez
Hockenheim
Monza
Fuji
Suzuka
Monaco
Montreal
Indianapolis
Silverstone
Nurburgring
Imola
Spa
A1 Ring
Valencia
Hungoring
Interlagos
Potrero de los Funes
Singapore
Australia
 
It's like Bernie and the FIA have had a bunch of pet dogs, they feed them when they want, the give the occasional kick and they change their minds every week, now the pack has got together and bitten back, hard.

Bernie's golden goose will be nothing, the FIA will be controlling a limp squib of a series that will taint F1's legacy and all the fans willl be watching great, fairly controlled, with the best drivers and teams, racing.

That's if the pair dont backtrack faster than an F1 car changes gear.
 
Brad said:
Will be a good test of how well they negotiated their deals with Bernie, and what kind of escape clauses they have in there
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I think they are obliged to provide atleast 16 cars on any grid, or something like that, you can be sure that they will make up the numbers with sub par GP2 teams etc and then if any broadcastor tries to break their deal they will aggresivelly seek legal action against them, its their way.

ITV got out just in time, this could be a big issue for the BBC, people were moaning about the license fee spent on the coverage, what will they say when its basically a club series?
 
BBC F1

Honestly this made me laugh, scroll down to the Bernie Ecclestone video, that guy is such a deluded old fart.
 
As much as a breakaway series is fantastic for fans, and will inject some life into what may become a dull, overpriced event, there are problems.

One massive problem will be that the FIA will have to regulate any circuits that the new series will race at, even though it is not an FIA event.

I don't expect this 'new series' to happen, at all. F1 will remain as it is in 2010, some way or another.
 
Leg-End said:
I think they are obliged to provide atleast 16 cars on any grid, or something like that, you can be sure that they will make up the numbers with sub par GP2 teams etc and then if any broadcastor tries to break their deal they will aggresivelly seek legal action against them, its their way.

ITV got out just in time, this could be a big issue for the BBC, people were moaning about the license fee spent on the coverage, what will they say when its basically a club series?
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Well the BBC could and should argue that the product they paid for has changed dramatically and is now sub-par.

Would be hilarious though if ITV dropped Formula One, lost it for a season and then immediately picked up the new series whilst the BBC were lumped with a tired F1 full of shit teams.
 
20solskjaer said:
wont be ready, should be on there for 2011
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Do you have a source for that? Like, someone on the coverage has said it or somethin? I was watching Motorsport World on TV last night, they had some small races and they were talking about how the bridge had been removed and stuff, it seemed pretty set up to be honest...
 
Oh, and I don't think F1 would ever race at Laguna Seca - I read somewhere that the facilities aren't up to acceptable standards for F1, and they're also terrified about the Corkscrew.
 
They'll all be there at the start of next season i'm sure. Those teams need the official F1 as much as Ecclestone/Mosely needs them.
 
M13_RED said:
Do you have a source for that? Like, someone on the coverage has said it or somethin? I was watching Motorsport World on TV last night, they had some small races and they were talking about how the bridge had been removed and stuff, it seemed pretty set up to be honest...
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Here is one that says it will be impossible for Donnington to stage the British GP next year

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jNOu9xXMuXZRFS9mcS5qbSHtOmGw

just found another ,not looking good for next year.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-no-go-says-silverstone-chairman-1708834.html
 
Mosley was on the news earlier, claiming that when the teams "see sense" they'll come "running back". Arrogant jumped up little shit. Let's hope the teams do set up a rival championship that creams his precious little F1 and he ends up joining his father in Hell.
 
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