One thing that I didn't get - how ridiculously dumb could Ferrari be to actually gamble with the wet tyres when there was no real rain. Surely the intermediates would have been the gamble to take?
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no i agree you couldnt race in that rain...
but to schedule a race at 5pm at the back end or rainy season in kuala lumpar just because it fits better with european tv schedules shows that f1 is now more a business than a sport...
if they cared about the racing they would never have scheduled this race the way they have...
dangerous, stipid and shows how little they value the spectacle and excitement of racing
Yeah didn't understand that either. Why gamble when you are well in the points already?
It's easy to judge now though, could have turned out good but it was too big of a gamble imo.
Indeed, stupid decision. The Malaysian Grand Prix didn't even start that early in the European time zone last year as I seem to remember. 7am or 8 am or something? I understand why they did it in Australia. That was like 4 or 5 am but now... weird decision.
I would just like to point out the job Jenson did today. 3rd before his first stop and 2 laps more fuel than Trulli and Rosberg, the laps he put in on those 2 laps were Schumacher esque and effectively won him the race albeit he built up a 26 second lead on the full wets when everyone else was struggling which won him the race again. Superb job and questions about his talent should be answered with that.
What position was Raikkonen in when Ferrari decided to use the wet tyres?
Fifth position I think.
Sure, but you said it was the same as lying, which it isn't. I think this is an important point when used in regard to someone's character.
For someone like him, in his position, and knowing how he's not had the best of luck with the FIA, I'd have thought that Hamilton might have been a tad wiser... At least, he should have been ethical so as to avoid the bad publicity if he were to be caught, if not for being purely ethical...
Was a good race, very exciting. But it just highlights the fact that F1 is no longer about racing. It's about politics, money and viewing figures. How sad that this once great sport has declined into a farce.
May this be a warning to the premiership!
May this be a warning to the premiership!
To all of sport - yes, it's all about the business nowadays...
Get a grip. This isnt RAWK
I agree entirely.
Anyway, it's an interesting beginning to the season with McLaren and Ferrari in dire straits for the time being, although, Ferrari seemed to show that they could be turning sooner than McLaren...
It'd still be important to wait for the ruling on the spoilers...
It'd still be important to wait for the ruling on the spoilers...
Button went from 3rd to pole in the pits, the brawn is ridiculously good. I hope Glock wins the championship, Button's a nice guy but if he wins this year it definitely won't be on merit. Lets hope the other teams catch brawn up!
Must admit am warming to Button. Certainly ain't the cocky feck anymore who came out in his first season telling everyone he was the Best F1 driver in GB.
Also had a nice start to my betting morning with him
Also had a nice start to my betting morning with him
How is it not on merit? So if its all about the car then Schumacher isnt a true 7 time World Champion and Prost and Senna are both just lucky. You drive what you are given and you beat your team mate, he has done that in the first 2 races. It seems when its 2 Ferrari drivers walking away at the front its the driver but if Button wins it all car, absolute bollocks Jenson has been in the top 5 drivers since 2004.
I hate ferrari! Top 5 driver since 2004?
RUBBISH.Opinion, he finished 3rd in the championship in 2004, 2005 a good year in a poor car and 2006 a race winner and regular front runner. Ok you have 2007 and 08 in a bad car but still name 5 drivers better than him, Hamilton, Alonso, Schumacher......Raikkonen of old maybe.
But it just grates me reading comments like that trying to discredit a win because of how fast the car is yet Schumacher raced around in the best car for atleast 4 seasons and he is regarded as one of the best ever. I am NOT saying Button is the best on the grid or will ever be but he is obviously talented.
But it just grates me reading comments like that trying to discredit a win because of how fast the car is yet Schumacher raced around in the best car for atleast 4 seasons and he is regarded as one of the best ever. I am NOT saying Button is the best on the grid or will ever be but he is obviously talented.
I despise Schumacher and I definitely don't regard him as the best ever, not even close. Button's a good driver but isn't good enough to win a world championship and hence I said that if he won it would be more down to the car than ability. If that makes sense.
It makes sense and its your opinion regarding his talent, thats fair enough. If he wins the world championship it will be down to car and driver as a bad driver would not manage to sustain a title bid but if we look back in recent history very very rarely do we see the best car not win it.
2003 - Ferrari, Schumacher
2004 - Ferrari, Schumacher
2005 - Alonso, Renault (although the McLaren was super quick come mid season but just blew up too much)
2006 - Alonso, same story as 2005 but with a Ferrari instead
2007 - Raikkonen, best car for a majority of races except in the wet and twisty circuits
2008 - Hamilton, McLaren same as 2007.
The real test comes when the other teams start to catch up, and they will, if he can still keep getting good results he can win the title and I have every confidence in him to do it.
Could yap about it for days, everyone has an opinion but the simple stats that mean anything so far are:
2 Races
2 Poles
2 Wins
1 Fastest Lap
I'm not putting all my eggs in the Button basket for the title just yet but credit where it is due surely?
No I agree Credit where credit is due. Easy to talk the talk but he has not done a thing wrong.
That was a strange couple of weekends.
Question: Is Button the new English goldenboy and not Hamilton?
Question: Is Button the new English goldenboy and not Hamilton?
Fantastic drive from Button again. Its a pity that he will get only half the points.
Ferrari continue to cock up tactically. Kimi is in 5 place and they put wet whether tyres on when the track is completely dry. They lost Massa the title last season and are doing their best to rule themselves out as quickly as possible this time.
Ferrari continue to cock up tactically. Kimi is in 5 place and they put wet whether tyres on when the track is completely dry. They lost Massa the title last season and are doing their best to rule themselves out as quickly as possible this time.
He was the golden boy before he had to start driving an old Camry instead of a racing car, then Lewis came on the scene.
Both have always had golden boy potential but Jenson is winning at the moment (and white).
That car is MILES ahead of the rest of the other teams
True, but for years i have heard from commentators (ex drivers) that Button is very talented, drives really smoothly etc.
The 1988 McLaren won 15 of 16 races and was also on pole for 15 of 16, I guess Senna and Prost were lucky.
That car is MILES ahead of the rest of the other teams
Exactly my point.
Keep him where he's at and he still has 1 career win.
There's going to be a wankfest over him if he keeps this up in this "Brawn" car... I know i'll stir a pot and sound like a Lewis Hamilton supporting baby, but this Button love-in is worse than Lewies
Keep most of the drivers where they are at and they will have no wins, Button has only ever driven 2 race winning cars in his career the Honda RA106 and the BGP01, none of his team mates have ever won in the same team as him therefore we can conclude he was never in multiple race winning car until this season. Button can't be blamed for the media attention, they would be loving in on any driver in the same position right now, its worse because he is British.Stay calm baby, stay calm
White?
Extremely valid point. We've always wondered how Button would do if he had a better car and so far he's doing well.
Since the Brawn car is ahead of everyone elses then we can just point out that he is outperforming Barrichello.
However I don't think Button would have been capable to do what Hamilton has done in the past two weeks with the McLaren car. But that's just an opinion.
Because he's english our commentator's usually do overrate him. He's not a "top driver" by any means. Its a shame to see the proper drivers in appalling cars this season. If button wins this season, he'll have the same number of titles as kimi
....................now thats just plain WRONG.Because he's english our commentator's usually do overrate him. He's not a "top driver" by any means. Its a shame to see the proper drivers in appalling cars this season. If button wins this season, he'll have the same number of titles as kimi
I think Kimi is an excellent driver, but he got the no.1 seat at Ferrari and did nothing with it, he just doesnt seem motivated. Massa is now clearly no.1 that says a lot about Kimi
He wasted some of his prime at mclaren, he would have won a title or two in a much more reliable car. I wouldn't say he isn't motivated, he just seems to lack consistency of late; remember the number of fastest laps he did last season?
So its the cars fault Kimi was poor at Mclaren, but when Button does well, its all because of the car..
Dont get me wrong, the Braun car is clearly one of the best so far this season. To win races in a good car you still need to be a top tier driver, dont make mistakes, overtaking ability and ability to handle pressure.