The F1 Thread 2009 Season

Brad said:
Sorry I misread what you said there earlier. You think Hill saw him hit the wall? I don't think so, I've heard Hill speaking about it, pretty sure he said he obviously knew Schumacher had gone wide, maybe had a problem, and so he saw an opportunity to take the place. To be fair, we don't know how badly damaged Schumacher's Benatton was, there's no saying the wall crash definitely would have put him out, and either way, there's absolutely no way Hill could know

Those who don't think Schumacher cheated need to re-watch the view from Damon's car perspective. A Formula 1 car just does not take a corner like Schumacher is doing there. If you take Hill out of the picture, Schumacher would have been driving into the chicane

I don't think anyone can question Schumacher's quality. He is arguably the greatest Formula 1 driver of all time, certainly the most successful. I was at the Monza GP where he announced his retirement, he'd won the race, really putting the title pressure on Alonso, but the place was almost in mourning. But what also can't be questioned is that he's a cheat. A cheat who should not got the benefit of the doubt. He knew what he was doing
Click to expand...

From the video it looks like Hill would have to be blind to have not seen him hit the wall.

Either way though Hill is trying to overtake on the inside of a bend, Schumacher was always going to turn there imo and while he might have known what would happen if he did turn he was still well within his rights to do so.
 
vanthaman said:
Marchi-91 = :wenger:
Click to expand...

I'm sorry that I don't conform to the Lewis Hamilton GREATEST DRIVER SINCE CLARK fanboism. You go to any respected f1 forum 'mostly the smaller ones' and talk with guys that have watched f1 for over 30 years, and they see through the charade that is Lewis Hamilton inc. Im not just talking from my self, but the knowledge from men that have seen the rise of Jackie Stewart and the death of Senna. Men with years of f1 experience to draw upon and they all believe, that while being fast, Hamilton is not the driver the media perceive him to be.
 
Rooney1987 said:
Lewis did win the World Championship last year or did you miss it.
Click to expand...


Is that the same title that he near as well threw away by allowing Vettel to pass at Brazil? It was only by chance that Hamilton won the title in Brazil on the final lap. He was dangerously close to blowing the whole lot again except for more rain falling on the circuit on the final lap.

Or did you miss it the year before where he blew an 17 point lead with 2 rounds to go :rolleyes:.

Want to know why I and many think he'll not be a great?
Look at those two races as well as the press conference in Malaysia.
 
Well it wasn't by chance at all, he had it in the bag until the downpour with about 6 laps left, that allowed Trulli to take the gamble that meant if Hamilton lost another place, against a very racy Vettel, he'd lose the championship. But the gamble didn't pay off. That's not 'luck', if anything he was very unlucky that the championship he was cruising to was put at risk by the weather late on. Trulli didn't come in for wets, and it ultimately meant he couldn't keep it anywhere near pace

Hamilton of course becoming the youngster Formula 1 champion ever

And yes he did blow a 17 point lead (on Raikkonen), but then again, he HAD a 17 point lead (on Raikkonen), and on his World Champion team mate who'd just edged out the most successful driver of all time in Schumacher the previous season, this in his FIRST season

Only a prick doesn't recognise how exceptionally talented this lad is. He even looks good in the crap McClaren so far this season
 
Brad said:
Well it wasn't by chance at all, he had it in the bag until the downpour with about 6 laps left, that allowed Trulli to take the gamble that meant if Hamilton lost another place, against a very racy Vettel, he'd lose the championship. But the gamble didn't pay off. That's not 'luck', if anything he was very unlucky that the championship he was cruising to was put at risk by the weather late on. Trulli didn't come in for wets, and it ultimately meant he couldn't keep it anywhere near pace

Hamilton of course becoming the youngster Formula 1 champion ever

And yes he did blow a 17 point lead (on Raikkonen), but then again, he HAD a 17 point lead (on Raikkonen), and on his World Champion team mate who'd just edged out the most successful driver of all time in Schumacher the previous season, this in his FIRST season

Only a prick doesn't recognise how exceptionally talented this lad is. He even looks good in the crap McClaren so far this season
Click to expand...

Hamilton's done nothing to warrant "exceptional" in terms of driving so far this year. Up until the rain came in Malaysia he didn't look like scoring points, and in Australia benefitted from others misfortune. You can't use the 1 excuse to defend his monumental cock up at Brazil last year, and then take it away for the drivers that have cocked up in the first two races and say that its because Hamiltons "exceptional".

The fact that he still cocked up while having a 17 point lead, with the full support of his team and the public is far more impressive then having a 17 point lead over his rivals. Look through the season and you can see where that 17 points could easily had been wiped away if not for car failure. Especially in Raikkonen's case. While they lost points due to mechanical failure, Lewis lost his due to driver error.
First year or not, this whole concept of a "rookie" is absolute horse shite.
 
:lol: You must have been feeling pretty shit and bitter when he became World Champion last season eh?

May he long continue to make pillocks like you look extremely, extremely stupid
 
marchi, ffs. When you come out with the a solute crap bollocks you do, it makes being tolerant of others opinions hard. Using the arguement that Hamilton ALMOST lost the title in Brazil obviously means he's no a good driver surely should be instantly overshadowed by the point that he won the title you fecktard. 2 years ago we lost to West Ham on the last game of the season, obviously meaning that we didn't deserve to win the title that year. Fair enough your not a Lewis fan but backing up your opinions with some complete and utter made up bollocks shows what sort of posted you are.

Now piss off to RAWK with the other delirious retarded wankers.
 
muller said:
marchi, ffs. When you come out with the a solute crap bollocks you do, it makes being tolerant of others opinions hard. Using the arguement that Hamilton ALMOST lost the title in Brazil obviously means he's no a good driver surely should be instantly overshadowed by the point that he won the title you fecktard. 2 years ago we lost to West Ham on the last game of the season, obviously meaning that we didn't deserve to win the title that year. Fair enough your not a Lewis fan but backing up your opinions with some complete and utter made up bollocks shows what sort of posted you are.

Now piss off to RAWK with the other delirious retarded wankers.
Click to expand...

OOOOOOOPPPPPPSSSS somebody actually has a differing opinion on the over pouted wanker that is Lewis Hamilton, so all his fanboi's need to jump on me before I over exposes the absolute load of bollocks that's been drilled into every single person thats ever watched f1 on ITV in the past 2 years and read the pathetic English tabeloid journalism that make him look to be the 3rd coming of Jesus.

The circumstances are completely different in terms of United not giving a crap about the league as it was already won several weeks before, and Hamilton driving for his title with 2 laps to go. The fact that he's near as well fallen apart in the same situation twice 'remembering that Lewis put himself in the position to lose a place to Vettel before the rain even came' allows older wiser individuals to see a pattern emerging. He's not that much better then Massa and its bleeding obvious. Fast, but not a great.

He'll join a list of champions like Rosberg, Jones, Hill, Raikkonen and Villeneuve as fast drivers but only that. He lacks what the likes of Senna, Schumacher, Prost, Stewart, Fangio and Lauda all had. When you look at the history of f1, these are once in a generation drivers and the closest a the moment to any of these, is Fernando Alonso.
 
Marchi: i wouldnt count myself as a lewis hamilton "fanboy" but even a neutral observer could see that he is somewhat talented to do what he did in his first two seasons in F1.

Yes maybe he is overhyped, but that is the nature of the media, he's young and english, it was always going to happen. The media love to build people up then smash them back down.

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo: "...for proving he is worthy indeed of the world title but also for his maturity and sportsmanship off the track. He's a great champion and a great man."

Schumacher told the BBC's Inside Sport programme: "I would say, absolutely, yes [Hamilton could win seven titles].
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Marchi: i wouldnt count myself as a lewis hamilton "fanboy" but even a neutral observer could see that he is somewhat talented to do what he did in his first two seasons in F1.

Yes maybe he is overhyped, but that is the nature of the media, he's young and english, it was always going to happen. The media love to build people up then smash them back down.

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo: "...for proving he is worthy indeed of the world title but also for his maturity and sportsmanship off the track. He's a great champion and a great man."

Schumacher told the BBC's Inside Sport programme: "I would say, absolutely, yes [Hamilton could win seven titles].
Click to expand...

I have no doubt that Lewis could win seven titles. But weather he has the skill and the right ingredients is the real question. Michael and Fangio where able to do what they did, because it all worked. Already this year we've seen cracks in the McLaren relationship between driver and team. You can't have that if you want those seven titles.
 
marchi-91 said:
I have no doubt that Lewis could win seven titles. But weather he has the skill and the right ingredients is the real question. Michael and Fangio where able to do what they did, because it all worked. Already this year we've seen cracks in the McLaren relationship between driver and team. You can't have that if you want those seven titles.
Click to expand...

Something of a climb down from

"Lewis will be eaten alive"

"Lewis has already admitted defeat in his pursuit to be named one of the all time greats."


I cant be bothered anymore.
 
muller said:
:lol: what a tool.
Click to expand...

The sport is built on massive ego's. If you don't think they will, then look into the past not the last 2 years that Hamilton's been racing for like most of his fans.

A great story, which reflects Senna's mentality.


A race in Portugal 'I think'. Anyway during the race, Prost is 20 or so seconds behind Senna with no chance of catching him. So Prost decides to do a number of hot laps to try and get Senna to cock up. He reals it back to something like 15 so Senna tries to push on and bins it while Prost wonders off with the win.

What that did was give Prost a weapon to attack Senna with and continued to use it.
 
So Senna wasn't great then. Most champions in modern day history all had flaws, but none of them made them any less of a great driver. We get it you don't rate Lewis Hamilton and anyone that does is a fanboy.
 
I think only 1 driver in history had an aura about him, and its only Senna. He was intense, aggressive when needed, a gentleman off track and a pure genius behind the wheel.

Can we just all move on from it because its boring now.

Brawn, Toyota and Williams are legal then. I was half expecting to see them banned and Button's wins wiped out but I think this is the right result, all the other teams will have their own diffuser by Barca anyway I would imagine and the grid will be even tighter.
 
Great news today.
Good to see a new team shake it up a little.. and I love Button.
I was excited for Lewis to become wc, but he seems to have distanced himself from the fans a little. Mclaren seem to have adopted a "us against the world" attitude over the last 2 seasons.
But with this start the season looks interesting.

As for Senna.. every sport needs and has its Senna, but they are rare and should be treasured. Because they are forever missed.
 
Leg-End said:
I think only 1 driver in history had an aura about him, and its only Senna. He was intense, aggressive when needed, a gentleman off track and a pure genius behind the wheel.

Can we just all move on from it because its boring now.

Brawn, Toyota and Williams are legal then. I was half expecting to see them banned and Button's wins wiped out but I think this is the right result, all the other teams will have their own diffuser by Barca anyway I would imagine and the grid will be even tighter.
Click to expand...

F1's credibility is already in tatters so even more damage would almost spell an end to F1 as we know it.

Although I don't like it, Brawn, Toyota and Williams shouldn't be penalized for the way that they "interpereted the rules". For years under brawn Ferrari did it, with the barge boards on the f2002 and the front wing on the 2006, so its slightly hypocritical of them to question this.

Either way, the title has just got exciting, with Ferrari, McLaren and Renault to roll out their diffusers either this weekend or in Spain.
 
Interestingly Alonso has said:

"You have to work on the whole car," Alonso explained. "It's not just about adding the diffuser and suddenly the car is a second quicker.

"The diffuser makes you go fast if you have a new front end, new sidepods, a new engine cover.

"You have to rebuild the whole car, and that would take a lot of months."

Im sure the other teams have already been working on this, but it could take a while for them to "catch up".
 
Ruling out the results of the first 2 races would have been a farce too far even for Formula 1

From what I've read about the issue, teams showing the greatest ingenuity INSIDE the rules have been rewarded, and therefore I believe justice has been done. Given some of the almost 'moral' arguments made by some teams about the diffuser design not being in the spirit of the rules, will be interesting to see if they stick to their guns, or go about putting their own on under the same design

Marchi, what a giant penis of a poster you are. If you'd just refrain from making a dick of yourself and ruining a good Formula 1 thread, that would be grand. Some of your comments about Hamilton are just bizarre, and I'm delighted for 2 years he's smeared your clear hatred of him all over your face with his performances
 
Brad said:
Ruling out the results of the first 2 races would have been a farce too far even for Formula 1

From what I've read about the issue, teams showing the greatest ingenuity INSIDE the rules have been rewarded, and therefore I believe justice has been done. Given some of the almost 'moral' arguments made by some teams about the diffuser design not being in the spirit of the rules, will be interesting to see if they stick to their guns, or go about putting their own on under the same design

Marchi, what a giant penis of a poster you are. If you'd just refrain from making a dick of yourself and ruining a good Formula 1 thread, that would be grand. Some of your comments about Hamilton are just bizarre, and I'm delighted for 2 years he's smeared your clear hatred of him all over your face with his performances
Click to expand...

:lol: I had no gif with Hamilton and didn't actually care about the hype surrounding him until the Alonso debacle. Anybody can see behind the thin veil that covered the truth. There is no way that Fernando would do that without being provoked. The difference is that Fernando didn't have uncle Ron to stand behind while he took the shite from all angles.
 
Well given you know the inner workings of Alonso's personality and temperament so thoroughly, I guess we'll have to bow to your superior knowledge on this one eh

Or we could just call you a bitter bertie

Bitter bertie
 
:lol: have you seen the advert at the bottom of this page?

"a car was seen driving faster than 300km/h through the streets of valencia..."
 
So Dennis has stepped down. Don't understand that at all. The man is pure F1. Something must be up there that we don't know about
 
bazalini said:
So Dennis has stepped down. Don't understand that at all. The man is pure F1. Something must be up there that we don't know about
Click to expand...

He spoke to Marchi and realised he had ruined Mclaren by signing that shitty driver Hamilton.
 
He'd already handed over control of the team to Whitmarsh at the start of the season, I was surprised he attended the first two races. I'm not entirely sure what the 'news' is today, has anything actually changed?

I should image the phrase "sick of this shit" was in his thoughts somewhere

I like Ron, proper passionate racing man, shame he's gone
 
He is heading up a new supercar development, real shame to lose him from F1 though.
 
Weren't there rumours that he had lost the confidence of Hamilton and family plus possibly being behind the bullshitting episode?
 
Brad said:
Folk have been arguing about it for years. For me it's pretty clear he deliberately drives into him, and as I said before, any benefit of the doubt surely evaporated with Villeneuve

This 'should have waited to overtake' thing is daft though. Hill doesn't know what's happened, Schumacher crashed around the corner from him. He just see's an opportunity to overtake, and he goes for it. You can never blame a racing driver for going to overtake like that. And to be fair, it would have been fine, if the cheating German hadn't driven into him...
Click to expand...

I agree. Schumaker must have known that Hill had the inside line and it seemed like a deliberate attempt to take them both out. That he did stuff like this again and was probably the dirtiest driver in modern F1 certainly suggests that such behaviour wasn't beneath him.
 
And Alonso seems like a right drama queen and one who also isn't above a dodgy move or 3. Isn't his speciality trying to get people to overtake illegally by braking unexpectedly hard when the safety car is out and the like?
 
Finally Mclaren show pace in first practice going quickest but as I type this Lewis is 12th in second practice.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.