The F1 Thread -2007

Ugh just woke up again, got up in the middle of the night to watch that, what a race! The first 20 laps odds were behind the safety car, and even that was bizarrely fascinating. I haven't been that nervous about a Grand Prix since Damon Hill's Championship winning race in Suzuki. Had an unexpectant tear in my eye when Louis crossed the line, should never count your chickens but I think he's done it you know, rookie world champion :D
 
Brad Cantona said:
Ugh just woke up again, got up in the middle of the night to watch that, what a race! The first 20 laps odds were behind the safety car, and even that was bizarrely fascinating. I haven't been that nervous about a Grand Prix since Damon Hill's Championship winning race in Suzuki. Had an unexpectant tear in my eye when Louis crossed the line, should never count your chickens but I think he's done it you know, rookie world champion :D
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I think so Brad, would take an allmighty feck up now for him to loose it.

Get in :cool:
 
F1 have turn into a farce imo, the whole race today should be stop

this season, both maclaren drivers should be disqualified for the spy scandal
anyway those FIA just to fecking scared to do that.

I just wish they bring back the old qualification format, do away with those mindless 3 qualifying stages.
 
pjaya said:
F1 have turn into a farce imo, the whole race today should be stop

this season, both maclaren drivers should be disqualified for the spy scandal
anyway those FIA just to fecking scared to do that.

I just wish they bring back the old qualification format, do away with those mindless 3 qualifying stages.
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I don't think they will because what used to happen was that we'd wait for half an hour before we even saw cars on the race track in qualifying. At least in the new format all the cars come out early and some form of intense action is guaranteed after around 15 minutes.
 
I like the new qualifying, apart from that third stage which actually decides who has poll. Driving around for fuel credits, just a nonsense. I'd simply shorten that final session to say 10 minutes, let everyone decide how much fuel they want to put in their cars at the end of qualifying, and we'll see who truely deserves to be poll sitter on the day, along with more meaningful action
 
McLaren should have been disqualified from both the drivers and constructors championship but I'm happy that Alonso has almost no chance of winning the championship. Go Hamilton!
 
Brad Cantona said:
Ugh just woke up again, got up in the middle of the night to watch that, what a race! The first 20 laps odds were behind the safety car, and even that was bizarrely fascinating. I haven't been that nervous about a Grand Prix since Damon Hill's Championship winning race in Suzuki. Had an unexpectant tear in my eye when Louis crossed the line, should never count your chickens but I think he's done it you know, rookie world champion :D
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what the feck is there to be nervous about. He is a cheat, his team is a cheat. Impossible not to win - that car has afterall got the best tech from 2 teams: Ferrari and McLaren. Pathetic. Typical fecking english behaviour this, a foreigner dares to to dive on a football pitch there is one hell of an outcry - almost get mailbombs sent to his house. An english team gets caught doing industrial espionage and it is all ok - must be a conspiracy, nevermind they admitted.

A good indication of how ridiculous this "sport" has got is when you take a look at the driver standings:

POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT POINTS
1. LEWIS HAMILTON Britain McLaren-Mercedes 107
2. FERNANDO ALONSO Spain McLaren-Mercedes 95
3. KIMI RAIKKONEN Finland Ferrari 90
4. FELIPE MASSA Brazil Ferrari 80
5. NICK HEIDFELD Germany BMW Sauber 56
6. ROBERT KUBICA Poland BMW Sauber 35
7. HEIKKI KOVALAINEN Finland Renault 30
8. GIANCARLO FISICHELLA Italy Renault 21
9. NICO ROSBERG Germany Williams-Toyota 15
10. ALEXANDER WURZ Austria Williams-Toyota 13
DAVID COULTHARD Britain Red Bull-Renault 13
12. MARK WEBBER Australia Red Bull-Renault 10
13. JARNO TRULLI Italy Toyota 7
14. RALF SCHUMACHER Germany Toyota 5
15. TAKUMA SATO Japan Super Aguri-Honda 4
16. JENSON BUTTON Britain Honda 2
17. SEBASTIAN VETTEL Germany BMW Sauber 1
ADRIAN SUTIL Germany Spyker-Ferrari 1

Anyone see a pattern there. You have to go down to position no. 15 for a the two team mates not to be next to eachother. I remember the 70s - 80s when it was all about how good driver you were, now it is all about the car. And the leaders got where they got by cheating. Good thing is that they will hardly be there last year after the 100m + civil courts.
 
AhmedDimwitson said:
what the feck is there to be nervous about. He is a cheat, his team is a cheat. Impossible not to win - that car has afterall got the best tech from 2 teams: Ferrari and McLaren. Pathetic. Typical fecking english behaviour this, a foreigner dares to to dive on a football pitch there is one hell of an outcry - almost get mailbombs sent to his house. An english team gets caught doing industrial espionage and it is all ok - must be a conspiracy, nevermind they admitted.
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Someone has a bee in their bonnet about the English eh!

How is Louis Hamilton a cheat? Nothing to come out of that spy scandal even suggested he'd been involved in any wrongdoing. Nothing actually showed that McClaren had clearly used any of the information that the disenchanted Ferrari employee has given to them on this years car. Beyond the fact that all teams gather information about other teams and use it to better develop their cars, hence why it's big news when a chief designer moves from one team to another

Impossible not to win? Bizarre...
 
Good race on the weekend thanks to the rain. Class stuff from Hamilton to get pole, that in itself sealed the win for him. Great driving from Kimi to get to the podium after being pushed back to the very end thanks to some dodgy tactics from Ferrari. Any news on if they've been punished yet for it? Everyone was supposed to start on full wets and they started on intermediates. Also, massa's fecking horrible in the rain. Must have spun/skidded off the tracks around 10 times alone although he made up with that bit of class on the last lap.
 
Hamilton is a special talent and has been nurtured at McLaren for years.
He was superb in the wet, it wasn't the car. Everyone else couldn't keep it on the track, including Alonso.
As for AhmedDimwitson's Typical fecking english behaviour this, a foreigner dares to to dive on a football pitch there is one hell of an outcry - almost get mailbombs sent to his house. An english team gets caught doing industrial espionage and it is all ok - must be a conspiracy, nevermind they admitted.
Have a word with yourself, mate. I think you'll find that that is a sadly all too familiar knee jerk that happens in every country around the world in all walks of life, not just in England. Try not to add to the xenophobic bile yourself.
 
mehro said:
Good race on the weekend thanks to the rain. Class stuff from Hamilton to get pole, that in itself sealed the win for him. Great driving from Kimi to get to the podium after being pushed back to the very end thanks to some dodgy tactics from Ferrari. Any news on if they've been punished yet for it? Everyone was supposed to start on full wets and they started on intermediates. Also, massa's fecking horrible in the rain. Must have spun/skidded off the tracks around 10 times alone although he made up with that bit of class on the last lap.
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Ferrari? Punished?! :lol:
 
Hard to take F1 seriously. Is Hamilton the best driver out there? Who could possibly tell. His car is considerably better than anybodys else's, apart from Alonso, and perhaps the Ferrari's. Its a mockery of a sport, which is won in the garages during the break between races.

As a spectacle it's poor as well. Overtaking is practically non-existant, so whats the point in watching after qualification? We sit there waiting for the pit-stops in the hope that someone's mechanics make a mistake.
 
mehro said:
Good race on the weekend thanks to the rain. Class stuff from Hamilton to get pole, that in itself sealed the win for him. Great driving from Kimi to get to the podium after being pushed back to the very end thanks to some dodgy tactics from Ferrari. Any news on if they've been punished yet for it? Everyone was supposed to start on full wets and they started on intermediates. Also, massa's fecking horrible in the rain. Must have spun/skidded off the tracks around 10 times alone although he made up with that bit of class on the last lap.
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I would think Ferrari have already been punished due to the fact that they had to pit and change their tyres on their cars to the correct ones thus moving them to the back of the field - I don't think it needs to be taken any further.
 
Bilbo said:
Hard to take F1 seriously. Is Hamilton the best driver out there? Who could possibly tell. His car is considerably better than anybodys else's, apart from Alonso, and perhaps the Ferrari's. Its a mockery of a sport, which is won in the garages during the break between races.

As a spectacle it's poor as well. Overtaking is practically non-existant, so whats the point in watching after qualification? We sit there waiting for the pit-stops in the hope that someone's mechanics make a mistake.
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That is true in F1 at the moment. The advances in technology and especially reliability have taken away from some of the driver skill (not that the current lot aren't skilled drivers). Mclaren do have the best cars at the moment, edging past Ferrari due to their reliability, which personally I think has been a big factor in this title race and possibly even the last with Alonso & Schumacher.

It is true though races have been boring and you find that you sometimes want it to rain or whatever to make something happen. They have acknowledged the problem and have tried to introduce certain rules but it is still lacking. Still it wouldn't be F1 if everybody on the grid had the same car so I don't think that is a solution.

Who knows but at least this season has been better than some previous ones with the top two teams not having an undisputed number 1 in their teams and the drivers providing some battles.

Hamilton has been a breath of fresh air to the sport.
 
I have the solution: every race should have to take place when it's pissing it down! That sorts the men from the boys, who can and can't drive. This weekends race was a belter, and it was the greatest test of driver skill you can imagine

I think F1 is slightly summed up that half the field were heard moaning on their intercoms that it was unraceable, then once it started we had a cracking race and lost what only 6 cars from then on. The drivers are spoilt, they've become to used ot having it easy with the technology doing a lot of the work. Japan forced them to rely on their own skill, and it was all the better for it. Until his epic mistake taking off sister team car Webber, Vettel looked shit hot in the conditions despite his mid-field machinery
 
Forget all this night race talk, a sprinkler system is what we need!
 
Breaking News -

SSN reporting that Lewis Hamilton's win at the Japanese Grand Prix is being investigated after complaints by fellow drivers. This in relation to his driving when behind the safety car, claims that it was responsible or a contributing factor to some of the crashes that occurred.

The identities of those brining the action are not known.
 
That's funny because after the race Webber only had scorn for Vettel, ITV had to apologise for his words. Yet here we are at the start of another grand prix weekend, and suddenly we're investigating something that happened a week ago? Pathetic, a few people have clearly got together and thought up a way of trying to disrupt Hamilton this weekend :rolleyes:
 
Brad Cantona said:
That's funny because after the race Webber only had scorn for Vettel, ITV had to apologise for his words. Yet here we are at the start of another grand prix weekend, and suddenly we're investigating something that happened a week ago? Pathetic, a few people have clearly got together and thought up a way of trying to disrupt Hamilton this weekend :rolleyes:
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You are not suggesting Spanish inolvment are you? Or perhaps even Finnish? Surely not? ;)
 
Hopefully Alonso gets banned for life or something for being the douche he is. On the other hand, that would eliminate some of the passion I have for the sport. Just like when Schumi quitted(Obviously for different reasons).
 
Webber has always had something against Lewis from day 1. I remember Webber after the first few races he was the one that had a go at Lewis saying he is only were he is because he is in a good car.
 
We've got some quotes from Alonson in the build up the Chinese GP.

"I also overtook Lewis two or three times, so it seems that we all agree."

"It's difficult to know what the car in front of you needs to do."

"I didn't see the race on TV but, hearing the comments of the drivers, they seemed to overtake the car in front a couple of times and had to make some unnecessary manoeuvres to avoid the cars in front."

If Hamilton does have his 10 points from Japan wiped out, Alonso will be only two points adrift in the race for the title and he says he has not given up hope of winning a third consecutive championship.

"I believe in miracles for sure," he continued."

"I think anything can happen - this is Formula One - until mathematically you have no chance in the championship, you don't give up."

"F1 is unpredictable sometimes and we have seen it many times, especially in wet races - if maybe it is raining again on Sunday then anything can happen."
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Stirring the pot jsut a little more.
 
Brad Cantona said:
That's funny because after the race Webber only had scorn for Vettel, ITV had to apologise for his words. Yet here we are at the start of another grand prix weekend, and suddenly we're investigating something that happened a week ago? Pathetic, a few people have clearly got together and thought up a way of trying to disrupt Hamilton this weekend :rolleyes:
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:lol:
 
Webbers a looser.he was moaning about the rain and how the race should have been cancelled but Hamilton took advantage of the conditions and won the race like a real champion.Webber should be ashamed for blameing Lewis driver for his crash.
 
The comments have certainly been hotting up recently including Hamilton who basically said he would rather Alonso went... Also the new spygate twist as the ex Ferrari employee says Ferrari did similar things to what McLaren have been 'punished' for.
 
ZIDANE said:
The comments have certainly been hotting up recently including Hamilton who basically said he would rather Alonso went... Also the new spygate twist as the ex Ferrari employee says Ferrari did similar things to what McLaren have been 'punished' for.
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one can say it like that i.e. ex Ferrari employee, might sell some newspapers....wasn't the ex-Ferrari employee the same person who got caught handing McLaren the information though. Hardly a credible source in this situation.

Find it ridiculous to start deducting points of Hamilton for these kind offences. They fecked up in the first case when not kicking the cheating british team out and try compensate now.
 
It has been confirmed, Lewis Hamilton will not be penalised for actions at the Japanese GP.

Vettel's ten place penalty has also been removed.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
It has been confirmed, Lewis Hamilton will not be penalised for actions at the Japanese GP.

Vettel's ten place penalty has also been removed.
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Shock horror, I wonder if that's because he did absolutely nothing wrong?!?!

Vettel's done nicely out of this though, given he admitted he wasn't paying attention and mullered Webbers Red Bull. Lucky lad. Personally I think Webber is culpable, why didn't he follow the line the front runner was taking, a line he is perfectly entitled to take, rather than taking the shortest line through the corner and naturally coming close to overtaking Hamilton. He's so quick to accuse 'the kids', wants to look at his own driving

Achieved its job of getting F1 some extra air time and disrupting Hamilton anyway, well done the cnuts who engineered this bizarely timed, stupid charge
 
Well, that's one Englishman coming out on top against a whinging Aussie, let's hope for some more tomorrow perhaps eh? ;)

Sorry for going OT by the way.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Well, that's one Englishman coming out on top against a whinging Aussie, let's hope for some more tomorrow perhaps eh? ;)

Sorry for going OT by the way.
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Your apologising for going to Old Trafford? :confused:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7029797.stm

BBC 5Live's David Croft F1 correspondent has questioned why the ruling was so long in coming.

He said: "The three-man panel studied the new evidence and decided it added little to their original film.

"So why the delay? Surely this could all have been decided yesterday, when Toro Rosso made their appeal.

"To leave it 24 hours before interviewing the drivers, keeping Hamilton in particular in limbo on such a critical weekend, appears unnecessary at the very least.

"It is situations like this that have left the British driver frustrated by the politics of F1."
 
Brad Cantona said:
Your apologising for going to Old Trafford? :confused:
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Oh :o, how could i forget the confusion that might cause on the Caf, on every other forum i guess, that means 'Off Topic'.

So, what time is qualifying? 5am UK time or therabouts?

Schumacher won from the third row here a couple of years ago, so there is that to bear in mind if qualifying goes south on Lewis just a tad.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Oh :o, how could i forget the confusion that might cause on the Caf, on every other forum i guess, that means 'Off Topic'.

So, what time is qualifying? 5am UK time or therabouts?

Schumacher won from the third row here a couple of years ago, so there is that to bear in mind if qualifying goes south on Lewis just a tad.
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Nah not that severe, 7am GMT for us qualifying, I believe the race starts the same time the next day too though not found confo of that
 
Personally, I think Hamilton was fairly lucky to get off without some sort of reprimand here. The bottom line is that he broke the rules and there was an incident becasue of it, directly or indirectly - whatever you like. Everytime he opens his mouth, I like him a little less. He should stick to what he's best at, driving racing cars so well that he will probably win the championship. Anytime he's not in the car, he cocking off about something or other in the media....it's incredibly tiresome, and very disingenuous. Great driver, but a total 'berk', as you Brits say.
 
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