The Austrian?
The Criteria Draft - The Drafts
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The Austrian?
When the likes of Gary Kelly have gone? More than sound. Arce, like Chilavert, was one of Paraguay's main goalscoring sources for those 1-0s: set pieces. 57 goals in 242 games for Palmeiras, not too shabby, eh?
And that while being a proper defender. Crap category my arse.
Nah.
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I wanted Cech, completely missed that he was picked, so went with Friedel as he was the first name that came to mind then. I thought I would be getting him for outside FIFA top 30 as well as non league winner but didn't notice that USA was in top 30. After the whole drama about changing picks, I didn't want to start all that again so stuck with him. I don't really have any keepers who didn't play in Europe in mind at the moment though, maybe I am forgetting a glaring name or something.
Don't think so. At least not someone who'd be an upgrade on Friedel - who is an excellent keeper in my book.
So, isn't someone supposed to be doing something here, like picking a player or something?
I'd agree Friedel is fine, but there are 4-5 who were as good if not better and the point is you don't want to be stuck with that criterion being used for an outfield player. For example, as good a pick as Le Tissier is in that regard, you don't want to be stuck with building a team around him throughout this, do you?
I can fulfill that non Europe one with a sub, so I will have all 12 and I don't have to play him, right?
As far as I know, the 12 we pick now need to have satisfied all 12 criteria, and in future as long as we have 12 players who are satisfying all 12 categories in the squad, we can field whoever we want.
Aye, I certainly hope so. Nobody can force you to play anyone - I can even see people going for an absolute dud in the combo category and just use him as a sub.
Which criterion?
I think I asked this before but missed/didn't get an answer. How do reinforcements work? Do 1st round winners get to add a player as long as we still fit the 12 criteria, or is it more flexible?
Got to fit criteria all the way through the final. One reinforcement per round as well only.
Once we pick 12 players and satisfy all 12 criteria with 12 different players, then I don't see how we can go from that to not satisfying any of the criterion with a unique player in the squad unless you do trades. If you are simply adding players, you are free to do what you want with them.
Look, @Aldo - it's you turn, ain't it? You're still on 11 players as far as I can tell. Is there some sort of misunderstanding here?
But I am not sure if I am correct. @rpitroda is it okay that you pick a player for example a Ballon D'or winner, and replace a non league or non europe player in the Starting 11 with him for the next game. That way your squad still has all 12 criteria ticked. But the starting 11 has two players who are satisfying the same criterion.
Yes, I asked NM and Snow to go ahead and skip me as I literally don't have anyone in mind right now and I don't want to hold up the draft. Snow also didn't want to pick so my turn continued, which ended a while ago. Right now we are into NM and Snow's turn and they have 5 hours left.
So you have forfeited your pick, then - is that what you're saying?
No I will pick it by this evening, I just don't know who to pick so I will pick it later when I find an option. The others are free to continue picking as per the order.
If you're asking what I think you're asking, it's a good question.
To put it slightly differently: If you reinforce, picking a player off a knocked-out team, will you then have to release one of your existing squad members - i.e. keeping the total at 12 players (who must meet all 12 criteria) all the way to the final?
Nope, not possible. 11 outfielders must meet 11 different criterion.
Cheers.
I'm going to let @Snow make this pick whenever he is up. I am driving for 5+ hours today.
What's with the Gary Kelly hate, h wasn't that bad, was he?
Not old enough to remember him properly, but he was on two team of the years.
Mainly looking at @antohan here.
Not old enough to remember him properly, but he was on two team of the years.
Mainly looking at @antohan here.
No you do not.
It's caf folklore mate. Gary Kelly and Joan Capdevila, worst fullback pair to ever win a draft, apparently the combined threat of Zanetti, Candela, Zidane, Forlán and Luis Enrique didn't offer enough wide threat to exploit that weakness. 
I think your first XI basically has to always satisfy 11 of the 12 criteria. So next round you could pick another ballon dor winner, but you could only play one of them.
The upgrades are virtually impossible here with the criteria limitations and only one pick - you pretty much have to pick a replacement who fits the exact position and exact criteria of the player he's replacing, e.g. Replace a left back with less than 30 caps with a better left back with less than 30 caps.
You couldnt upgrade that left back to Roberto Carlos or something, because that will cock up the rest of the criteria. Extremely difficult.
Depends on how many players you have who meet multiple criteria - but yeah, it's tricky alright. That's the nature of the beast, though - it's supposed to be tricky.
I know it's supposed to be tricky mate, it doesn't bother me and I'm not too invested in this draft anyway.
FWIW I think the draft is hard enough without the one pick limit. The requirement to maintain 11/12 criteria on the pitch after reinforcements stops super teams from being created anyway - that aim is already achieved - so I don't think limiting upgrades to one pick is necessary there.
The difficulty is already maintained by keeping the criteria rules.
If the decision was made to do what Aldo asked about - I.e. Drop the strict criteria requirements after upgrades, then limiting upgrades to one pick would be necessary to keep things from going overboard.
As it is, considering everyone must field an XI which meets the tough limitations I don't think you will see any super teams being formed. It's too hard within the limits of the criteria.
IMO you could increase the number of upgrades to two or three, which would still stop amazing teams from forming, but which would allow people more flexibility when upgrading their team
FWIW I think the draft is hard enough without the one pick limit. The requirement to maintain 11/12 criteria on the pitch after reinforcements stops super teams from being created anyway - that aim is already achieved - so I don't think limiting upgrades to one pick is necessary there.
The difficulty is already maintained by keeping the criteria rules.
If the decision was made to do what Aldo asked about - I.e. Drop the strict criteria requirements after upgrades, then limiting upgrades to one pick would be necessary to keep things from going overboard.
As it is, considering everyone must field an XI which meets the tough limitations I don't think you will see any super teams being formed. It's too hard within the limits of the criteria.
IMO you could increase the number of upgrades to two or three, which would still stop amazing teams from forming, but which would allow people more flexibility when upgrading their team
Fair points. It's a danger here, clearly, that upgrading/changing your team becomes too difficult. And that inevitably equals a loss of freshness/interest as the game progresses. I see nothing wrong with expanding the number of upgrades, really - the limitations will be there to check the formation of super teams, as you say.
I agree as well.
I am not for changing the reinforcement number at all I think it was one of the hardest criterias to follow.
I have based all my drafting on that specific rule and I am sure there are more who did that considering how difficult it would be.
I have based all my drafting on that specific rule and I am sure there are more who did that considering how difficult it would be.
I'll be going with Brazil's 6th highest goalscorer, Neymar.
1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - 1. Messi, 2. Sammer, 3. Lahm, 4. Zambrotta, 5. Etoo, 6. Cocu, 7. F. de Boer, 8. Hyypia, 9. Kanchelskis, 10. Valdes, 11. Modric,
2. The Red Viper -1. Ronaldinho, 2. Henry, 3. Cafu, 4. Kaka, 5. Hierro, 6. Popescu, 7. Effenberg, 8. Hamann, 9. Mata, 10. Naybet, 11. Ceni,
3. Annahnomoss - 1. Ronaldo 9, 2. Thuram, 3. Cannavaro, 4. Ribery, 5. Lizarazu, 6. Pirlo, 7. Essien, 8. Petit, 9. Hazard, 10. Mihajlovic, 11. Weidenfeller
4. Cutch - 1. Maldini, 2. Savicevic, 3. Zanetti, 4. Kohler, 5. De Rossi, 6. Benarrivo, 7. Camoranesi, 8. Lehmann, 9. Djorkaeff, 10. Dino Baggio, 11. Hong Myung Bo
5. NoPace - 1. Ronaldo 7, 2. R. Baggio, 3. Senna, 4. Schweinsteiger, 5. Thomas Hassler, 6. Rooney, 7. Aldair, 8. T. Silva, 9. Cech, 10. Juanfran, 11. Carboni
6. Stobzilla / KM - 1. Zidane, 2. Davids, 3. Robben, 4. Irwin, 5. Signori, 6. Ferrara, 7. Van Der Sar, 8. Veron, 9. Pallister, 10. Aurier, 11. Thiago Alcantara
7. FromTheBench/Theon - 1. Romário, 2. Makélélé, 3. Gerrard, 4. Totti, 5. Blanc, 6. Sagnol, 7. Samuel, 8. Cantona, 9. Panucci, 10. Filipe Luis, 11. Jose Luis Chilavert
8. EDogen - 1.Keane, 2. Scholes, 3. Weah, 4. Evra, 5. Beckham, 6. Bale, 7. Gallas, 8. Raul, 9. Petrescu, 10. Carvalho, 11. Toldo
9. BigDunc9 - 1. Xavi, 2. Iniesta, 3. Shevchenko, 4. Albertini, 5. F. Couto, 6. Claudio Lopez, 7. Baines, 8. Reus, 9. R. Jones, 10. Benatia, 11. Gilberto Silva
10. rpitroda - 1. Nedved, 2. Seedorf, 3. Deco, 4. Ferdinand, 5. Luis Enrique, 6. Guardiola, 7. Zabaleta, 8. Kluivert, 9. Overmars, 10. Gamarra, 11. Clichy
11. BorisDeLeFora - 1. Nesta, 2. Vieira, 3. Le Tissier, 4. Lucio, 5. Lampard, 6. Villa, 7. Ginola, 8. van Bronckhorst, 9. Emerson, 10. Makaay, 11. Kelly
12. Chesterlestreet - 1. Stoichkov, 2. Mendieta, 3. Des Walker, 4. Prosinečki, 5. Ibrahimovic, 6. Kahn, 7. Bergkamp, 8. Adams, 9. Pessotto, 10. Van Bommel, 11. Reiziger
13. Paceme - 1. Figo, 2. Rui Costa, 3. Batistuta, 4. Vidic, 5. Del Piero, 6. Cambiasso, 7. Yaya Toure, 8. Abidal, 9. Koscielny, 10. Higuita, 11. H. Ibarra.
14. NM / Snow - 1. Redondo, 2. Giggs, 3. Ayala, 4. Ballack, 5. Fabregas, 6. Ljungberg, 7. Buffon, 8. Costacurta, 9. Higuain, 10. Alaba, 11. Arce 12. Neymar
15. Aldo - 1. Rivaldo, 2. Desailly, 3. Stam, 4. Hagi, 5. Simeone, 6. Van Persie, 7. G. Neville, 8. Mascherano, 9. Basler, 10. Harte 11. Brad Freidel
16. Edgar Allan pillow - 1. Roberto Carlos, 2. Litmanen, 3. Pepe, 4. Arteta, 5. Suarez, 6. Gattuso, 7. Di Maria, 8. Cazorla, 9. P. Andersson, 10. Maicon, 11. Daniel Agger, 12. Lee Woon-jae
@Aldo or @paceme
1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - 1. Messi, 2. Sammer, 3. Lahm, 4. Zambrotta, 5. Etoo, 6. Cocu, 7. F. de Boer, 8. Hyypia, 9. Kanchelskis, 10. Valdes, 11. Modric,
2. The Red Viper -1. Ronaldinho, 2. Henry, 3. Cafu, 4. Kaka, 5. Hierro, 6. Popescu, 7. Effenberg, 8. Hamann, 9. Mata, 10. Naybet, 11. Ceni,
3. Annahnomoss - 1. Ronaldo 9, 2. Thuram, 3. Cannavaro, 4. Ribery, 5. Lizarazu, 6. Pirlo, 7. Essien, 8. Petit, 9. Hazard, 10. Mihajlovic, 11. Weidenfeller
4. Cutch - 1. Maldini, 2. Savicevic, 3. Zanetti, 4. Kohler, 5. De Rossi, 6. Benarrivo, 7. Camoranesi, 8. Lehmann, 9. Djorkaeff, 10. Dino Baggio, 11. Hong Myung Bo
5. NoPace - 1. Ronaldo 7, 2. R. Baggio, 3. Senna, 4. Schweinsteiger, 5. Thomas Hassler, 6. Rooney, 7. Aldair, 8. T. Silva, 9. Cech, 10. Juanfran, 11. Carboni
6. Stobzilla / KM - 1. Zidane, 2. Davids, 3. Robben, 4. Irwin, 5. Signori, 6. Ferrara, 7. Van Der Sar, 8. Veron, 9. Pallister, 10. Aurier, 11. Thiago Alcantara
7. FromTheBench/Theon - 1. Romário, 2. Makélélé, 3. Gerrard, 4. Totti, 5. Blanc, 6. Sagnol, 7. Samuel, 8. Cantona, 9. Panucci, 10. Filipe Luis, 11. Jose Luis Chilavert
8. EDogen - 1.Keane, 2. Scholes, 3. Weah, 4. Evra, 5. Beckham, 6. Bale, 7. Gallas, 8. Raul, 9. Petrescu, 10. Carvalho, 11. Toldo
9. BigDunc9 - 1. Xavi, 2. Iniesta, 3. Shevchenko, 4. Albertini, 5. F. Couto, 6. Claudio Lopez, 7. Baines, 8. Reus, 9. R. Jones, 10. Benatia, 11. Gilberto Silva
10. rpitroda - 1. Nedved, 2. Seedorf, 3. Deco, 4. Ferdinand, 5. Luis Enrique, 6. Guardiola, 7. Zabaleta, 8. Kluivert, 9. Overmars, 10. Gamarra, 11. Clichy
11. BorisDeLeFora - 1. Nesta, 2. Vieira, 3. Le Tissier, 4. Lucio, 5. Lampard, 6. Villa, 7. Ginola, 8. van Bronckhorst, 9. Emerson, 10. Makaay, 11. Kelly
12. Chesterlestreet - 1. Stoichkov, 2. Mendieta, 3. Des Walker, 4. Prosinečki, 5. Ibrahimovic, 6. Kahn, 7. Bergkamp, 8. Adams, 9. Pessotto, 10. Van Bommel, 11. Reiziger
13. Paceme - 1. Figo, 2. Rui Costa, 3. Batistuta, 4. Vidic, 5. Del Piero, 6. Cambiasso, 7. Yaya Toure, 8. Abidal, 9. Koscielny, 10. Higuita, 11. H. Ibarra.
14. NM / Snow - 1. Redondo, 2. Giggs, 3. Ayala, 4. Ballack, 5. Fabregas, 6. Ljungberg, 7. Buffon, 8. Costacurta, 9. Higuain, 10. Alaba, 11. Arce 12. Neymar
15. Aldo - 1. Rivaldo, 2. Desailly, 3. Stam, 4. Hagi, 5. Simeone, 6. Van Persie, 7. G. Neville, 8. Mascherano, 9. Basler, 10. Harte 11. Brad Freidel
16. Edgar Allan pillow - 1. Roberto Carlos, 2. Litmanen, 3. Pepe, 4. Arteta, 5. Suarez, 6. Gattuso, 7. Di Maria, 8. Cazorla, 9. P. Andersson, 10. Maicon, 11. Daniel Agger, 12. Lee Woon-jae
@Aldo or @paceme
I'm not sure I follow you, mate - elaborate!
You've based your drafting on your opponents not being able to reinforce with more than one player per round? That sounds scarily advanced.
I've based my drafting on the fact that there will be just 3 upgrades available for my team. So I've tried to create a team where three upgrades will be enough.
With 6 or 9 upgrades you basically don't have to plan for the upgrade rounds at all as you can change two or more picks per round which means you didn't have to plan for upgrades with flexibility at all.
It does however penalise those that drafted on the assumption there's only one upgrade in a rather rigid setup. You can't go around changing reinforcement rules in round 12, it's just not right.
And as I write that...
If Rpitroda decides to change rules I won't cause drama though of course, I'd accept it and that is it.
Theon's points are fair as it's a double-whammy to limit potential super-teams. That said, I'm never keen on changing rules mid-tournament. Obviously Annah's drafted well and is keen to protect that advantage, others may see it as a legitimate opportunity to sort out any weak spots that have emerged in their teams.
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