The Criteria Draft - The Drafts

Listing my criteria list too:
Zambrotta - between 90-99 caps
Eto'o - plays outside the 30 nations
Kanchelskis - represented a different country :nervous:
Messi - WC finalist but lost
Sammer - Ballon D'or
Lahm - 1 club 10 years
Cocu & de boer - together bla bla
Hyypia - never won a title
 
Aldo said:
Hmm shaping up a bit now.



G. Neville - Stam - Desailly - LB
Mascherano - Simeone
Basler - Hagi - Rivaldo
Van persie​
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That looks good, man - very good.

Basler, eh? Very good player on his day - bit of a nutter too, I seem to recall. Excellent free kick taker also - not that you were lacking in that department.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
That looks good, man - very good.

Basler, eh? Very good player on his day - bit of a nutter too, I seem to recall. Excellent free kick taker also - not that you were lacking in that department.
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Cheers mate. I had to find a proper wide man, had a couple of AM-winger hybrids that could have been shoehorned, one in particular a really flashy name, much flashier than Basler but that would have left Neville being the sole provider of width on that side which admittedly is not his strongest point, so went for a traditional wide player, him being comparable to Beckham is a bonus if anything. Should work nicely imo.
 
I'm going to say that if Andrei is allowed then so should rob Jones. I'm not arsed about Davids myself but surely its not fair on bigdunc that the rules have been clarified properly after he has made the pick?
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
Quality pick since you saw the France-Argentine business, had no clue.
The problem is, he's not even top class nowadays and never was, I used to see him weekly on RM and he's a pretty average striker with no reason to play for a start for a NT like Argentina. To be fair he probably was a huge part of their weakness in that incredible attack.
Plus, he always shits himself in big games, I've said it before and I'll say it again - and you could see it in his really not surprising terrible miss in the WC final.
He's easily the worst striker we'll see here by a distance
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Quite the contradiction.

You see our midfield. We need someone that's used to play alone and given our quality in midfield we basically needed a poacher. A goalscorer. He's that.

Always shits himself in big games is a poor myth. It's something that's said about so many players and it's based on 2-3 games. He's now playing for Napoli. A consideradly lesser team than Real Madrid. Played 5 games in the CL against Marseille, Dortmund and Arsenal. Scored or assisted in all the games he played. Pretty small games they were.
 
:lol:

"That's a very nice shirt you have on. Excellent shirt at that price. Couldn't have cost more either, though, be it said - given the terrible quality of the cotton. Easily the ugliest shirt in the room too, to be fair, but still - congrats on the buy."
 
Snow said:
Quite the contradiction.

You see our midfield. We need someone that's used to play alone and given our quality in midfield we basically needed a poacher. A goalscorer. He's that.

Always shits himself in big games is a poor myth. It's something that's said about so many players and it's based on 2-3 games. He's now playing for Napoli. A consideradly lesser team than Real Madrid. Played 5 games in the CL against Marseille, Dortmund and Arsenal. Scored or assisted in all the games he played. Pretty small games they were.
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By "quality pick" I mean quality research finding that he was born in France. Not common knowledge.

And it's hardly a poor myth, I've seen him weekly in RM, and either that in every big match he had a few big misses(and a striker in RM gets a few of those at most matches), or he just easy to close down, because he's goal scoring records against top teams isn't good. So it's basically either he misses often regularly in big matches or good teams easily close him down.
He was rubbish at the WC too tbf
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Alright. I assumed it too. But a decision has been made - let's move on now, eh?
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Well, the rule wasn't 100% clear. It had a sentence like "consider the spirit of the rule". For me that qualifies Jones. There's a reason why rtipoda put that sentence in to begin with. National teams in football aren't the same as the criteria for nations in football. For all we know, rtipoda might be an Arab and not consider Israel a nation. But they have a national team...
 
Chesterlestreet said:
:lol:

"That's a very nice shirt you have on. Excellent shirt at that price. Couldn't have cost more either, though, be it said - given the terrible quality of the cotton. Easily the ugliest shirt in the room too, to be fair, but still - congrats on the buy."
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:lol:
Sorry @Snow @NM I just have a lot of resentment toward Higuain and I've had this argument so many times because I really do watch him more than most people on caf
 
Snow said:
Well, the rule wasn't 100% clear. It had a sentence like "consider the spirit of the rule". For me that qualifies Jones. There's a reason why rtipoda put that sentence in to begin with. National teams in football aren't the same as the criteria for nations in football. For all we know, rtipoda might be an Arab and not consider Israel a nation. But they have a national team...
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The irony of it being used when I'm involved...
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
By "quality pick" I mean quality research finding that he was born in France. Not common knowledge.

And it's hardly a poor myth, I've seen him weekly in RM, and either that in every big match he had a few big misses(and a striker in RM gets a few of those at most matches), or he just easy to close down, because he's goal scoring records against top teams isn't good. So it's basically either he misses often regularly in big matches or good teams easily close him down.
He was rubbish at the WC too tbf
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I just gave you many examples of recent big games. I'd like you to do the same. You're saying that he's easy to stop or miss chances in every big game? Which one is it? For Argentina he has goals against Germany, Spain, Mexico, Uruguay, Chile, Italy and Belgium. 10 goals total in big national games. Argentina scored loads of goals in 2010. He got 4. They barely scored this World Cup. He got 1.

He's a poacher. Poacher rely on other players getting the ball to them after they themselves have gotten into positions. You say he always seems to miss chance. Well, when you combine that with his goal record do you know what that suggests? That he gets into a lot of chances. That's excellent news for a coach because you know he will score goals. The old rule of thumb is that a good striker will score 1 goal every 3 chances he gets. He certainly does that at least.
 
1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - Messi, Sammer, Lahm, Zambrotta, Etoo, Cocu, F. de Boer, Hyypia, Kanchelskis,
2. The Red Viper -Ronaldinho, Henry, Cafu, Kaka, Hierro, Popescu, Effenberg, Hamann, Mata,
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu, Pirlo, Essien, Petit, Hazard
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi, Benarrivo, Camoranesi, Lehmann, Djorkaeff
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler, Rooney, Aldair, T. Silva, Cech
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori, Ferrara, Van Der Sar, Veron, Pallister
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc, Sagnol, Samuel, Cantona, Panucci
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham, Bale, Gallas, Raul, Petrescu
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini, F. Couto, Claudio Lopez, Baines, Reus, R. Jones
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand, Luis Enrique, Guardiola, Zabaleta, Kluivert, Overmars
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio, Lampard, Villa, Ginola, van Bronckhorst, Emerson
12. Chesterlestreet - Stoichkov, Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki, Ibrahimovic, Kahn, Bergkamp, Adams, Pessotto
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic, Del Piero, Cambiasso, Yaya Toure, Abidal, Koscielny
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack, Fabregas, Ljungberg, Buffon, Costacurta, Higuain
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi, Simeone, Van Persie, G. Neville, Mascherano, Basler
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta, Gamarra, Gattuso, Di Maria, Cazorla, P. Andersson, Maicon

@Aldo
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
:lol:
Sorry @Snow @NM I just have a lot of resentment toward Higuain and I've had this argument so many times because I really do watch him more than most people on caf
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I don't mind the comments though I prefer them to be within the match day threads if only just to avoid repetitions of the same comments. Good that you're honest about your personal preference. They do come into play a lot in these things and there's nothing you can do about it besides trying to not letting it get to you as much as possible.
 
Snow said:
You agree with me, don't you? Independence is only a word given to you by other countries. It doesn't matter in the world of football. Football is outside politics.
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Well I guess independent means not what is recognized by the world. For example Catalunya seeks independence and its not that Spain doesn't recognize them as a country, its that no place on the world does. For Israel, the UN recognized us as a country(the Arab nations denounced it though). Never mind, lets not get political because we did some nasty stuff over the years to each other. Still do..

Snow said:
I just gave you many examples of recent big games. I'd like you to do the same. You're saying that he's easy to stop or miss chances in every big game? Which one is it? For Argentina he has goals against Germany, Spain, Mexico, Uruguay, Chile, Italy and Belgium. 10 goals total in big national games. Argentina scored loads of goals in 2010. He got 4. They barely scored this World Cup. He got 1.

He's a poacher. Poacher rely on other players getting the ball to them after they themselves have gotten into positions. You say he always seems to miss chance. Well, when you combine that with his goal record do you know what that suggests? That he gets into a lot of chances. That's excellent news for a coach because you know he will score goals. The old rule of thumb is that a good striker will score 1 goal every 3 chances he gets. He certainly does that at least.
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As I said, I don't have too much data to back my claims, it's just a personal feeling as a semi-fan of RM. When Higuain left I was delighted, didn't care Benzema left alone, I rate him much higher.
As you said, he gets a lot of chances, he doesn't score as often. I don't know how or where I can bring stats to back it up, but I feel that he misses one big miss every game. He does get to plenty of chances using smart movement between defenders, he just cocks it up rather often. Again, these aren't facts(I think they are I just can't base them atm), these are my knowledge at the top of my head.

But, you agree, we should just save it to the matchday thread.
 

Ian Harte


1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - Messi, Sammer, Lahm, Zambrotta, Etoo, Cocu, F. de Boer, Hyypia, Kanchelskis,
2. The Red Viper -Ronaldinho, Henry, Cafu, Kaka, Hierro, Popescu, Effenberg, Hamann, Mata,
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu, Pirlo, Essien, Petit, Hazard
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi, Benarrivo, Camoranesi, Lehmann, Djorkaeff
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler, Rooney, Aldair, T. Silva, Cech
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori, Ferrara, Van Der Sar, Veron, Pallister
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc, Sagnol, Samuel, Cantona, Panucci
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham, Bale, Gallas, Raul, Petrescu
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini, F. Couto, Claudio Lopez, Baines, Reus, R. Jones
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand, Luis Enrique, Guardiola, Zabaleta, Kluivert, Overmars
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio, Lampard, Villa, Ginola, van Bronckhorst, Emerson
12. Chesterlestreet - Stoichkov, Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki, Ibrahimovic, Kahn, Bergkamp, Adams, Pessotto
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic, Del Piero, Cambiasso, Yaya Toure, Abidal, Koscielny
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack, Fabregas, Ljungberg, Buffon, Costacurta, Higuain
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi, Simeone, Van Persie, G. Neville, Mascherano, Basler, Harte
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta, Gamarra, Gattuso, Di Maria, Cazorla, P. Andersson, Maicon

@NM @Snow
 
Tallying up the criteria I have used :

Rivaldo - Ballon D'or
Desailly - Born in a different country
Stam - combo
Hagi - played in 3 countries
Simeone - combo
Van Persie - 90-99 caps
Gary Neville - 10 years at a club
Mascherano - lost a WC
Mario Basler - max 30 caps
Harte - Never won a league/outside FIFA top 30
 
Aldo seems to rely on set pieces now. He's going to have 5 players standing over each free kick.
 
Snow said:
Rob Jones surely counts? Great Britain doesn't have a national team. Born in Wales, played for England. That counts. Same for Kanchelkis. Played for Russia. Born in Kirovograd which is in Ukraine and has never been in Russia.
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That's why for clarity rules on nations shouldn't be based on geopolitics but FIFA recognised National Teams. If FIFA recognises it as a National Team it's a separate nation football-wise. Same holds for Surinam, for example.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Well, it has been stated now that FIFA status is irrelevant - and it was never claimed otherwise either. We just assumed it for no good reason - the rules never said anything about FIFA status.
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Maybe the reason for the confusion is in the All-time draft (one player per nation) it was FIFA NT based. It's bizarre it wasn't dealt with much earlier TBH.
 
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