5 minutes guys. Does Kanchelskis count for the criteria he was picked under by the way ?
The Criteria Draft - The Drafts
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Born in present day Ukraine, played for Russia - aye, that has to count.
Sound, just checking.
I pick Rob Jones. Welsh born England international.
Goal scoring threat from right back, like your thinking.
My entire team may or may no be up for sale, my way out for 8 & 9 has been shattered.
Clever...but what do you use Andrei for then?
My left back scores enough
I was looking at him earlier but didn't think he counted. I am very happy with Reus anyway like but having another Everton player is never a bad thing
I was looking at him earlier but didn't think he counted. I am very happy with Reus anyway like but having another Everton player is never a bad thing
I meant - regarding the criteria. Both Andrei and Jones seem obvious for the "born in different country" one - though they do meet others, of course.
@rpitroda your pick.
1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - Messi, Sammer, Lahm, Zambrotta, Etoo, Cocu, F. de Boer, Hyypia, Kanchelskis,
2. The Red Viper -Ronaldinho, Henry, Cafu, Kaka, Hierro, Popescu, Effenberg, Hamann, Mata,
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu, Pirlo, Essien, Petit, Hazard
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi, Benarrivo, Camoranesi, Lehmann, Djorkaeff
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler, Rooney, Aldair, T. Silva, Cech
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori, Ferrara, Van Der Sar, Veron, Pallister
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc, Sagnol, Samuel, Cantona, Panucci
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham, Bale, Gallas, Raul, Petrescu
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini, F. Couto, Claudio Lopez, Baines, Reus, R. Jones
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand, Luis Enrique, Guardiola, Zabaleta, Kluivert,
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio, Lampard, Villa, Ginola, van Bronckhorst,
12. Chesterlestreet - Stoichkov, Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki, Ibrahimovic, Kahn, Bergkamp, Adams,
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic, Del Piero, Cambiasso, Yaya Toure, Abidal,
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack, Fabregas, Ljungberg, Buffon, Costacurta,
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi, Simeone, Van Persie, G. Neville, Mascherano,
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta, Gamarra, Gattuso, Di Maria, Cazorla
2. The Red Viper -Ronaldinho, Henry, Cafu, Kaka, Hierro, Popescu, Effenberg, Hamann, Mata,
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu, Pirlo, Essien, Petit, Hazard
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi, Benarrivo, Camoranesi, Lehmann, Djorkaeff
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler, Rooney, Aldair, T. Silva, Cech
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori, Ferrara, Van Der Sar, Veron, Pallister
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc, Sagnol, Samuel, Cantona, Panucci
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham, Bale, Gallas, Raul, Petrescu
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini, F. Couto, Claudio Lopez, Baines, Reus, R. Jones
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand, Luis Enrique, Guardiola, Zabaleta, Kluivert,
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio, Lampard, Villa, Ginola, van Bronckhorst,
12. Chesterlestreet - Stoichkov, Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki, Ibrahimovic, Kahn, Bergkamp, Adams,
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic, Del Piero, Cambiasso, Yaya Toure, Abidal,
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack, Fabregas, Ljungberg, Buffon, Costacurta,
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi, Simeone, Van Persie, G. Neville, Mascherano,
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta, Gamarra, Gattuso, Di Maria, Cazorla
Feck. Sorry, Dunc - you had me all confused there. This draft is becoming too complicated for me.
You have a fan in Gio now. Rob Jones is the bestest PL RB eva according to him. He was pretty good, but you have to look up whatever draft he picked for the Rob Jones Superlative Hyperbole Bank. So funny, drove someone having Giggs up the wall during a game iirc.
This draft is becoming too complicated for me.
Your post confused me then like.
That's why you wanted that teamsheet Gio put up removed
. I knew it was one of them you were afterFunny enough I had to ask @Gio to take a team down with him in case it give someone the idea to pick him.
I wondered what player that was all about. Saw those posts yesterday, no pic and felt completely left out of the fun
Probably put a good five years on Polaroid so it did.
True. But it's the same as the example cited above somewhere: player born in Czechoslovakia (present day Czech republic somewhere) who represented Slovakia. And the latter counts, as per Trip.
Its does say the 2 countries must be independent on time of birth, that is why I dismissed him.
However I haven't got a clue about all that so I could be completely wrong.
I wondered what player that was all about. Saw those posts yesterday, no pic and felt completely left out of the fun
Didn't know who Bigdunc wanted but Lehmann was on that team too, which forced me in to picking him when my turn came up again. Couldn't take the risk as if I didn't get Lehmann my only other combo with Kohler was Stephane Chapuisat, who would have been a bit of an underwhelming pick.
I'm also a bit lost on this independence at the time of birth of the player and if any particular countries are exempt from the rule. In either case, I believe @rpitroda needs to make a call... again!
Well, none of the present-day countries which might be relevant here were independent back then - that goes without saying. So, a player born anywhere in the old Soviet Union would be ineligible per default even if he represented Japan.
The thing is that the Soviet Union split up into multiple present-day countries - unlike Surinam, for instance (Davids was mentioned before), which simply gained independence from Holland. So, Davids and Kanchelskis are different situations - the former wasn't born in an independent country (but rather a colony ruled by the country he went on to play for), the latter was born in an independent country which doesn't exist anymore - and went on to play for a country which is separate from the present-day country in which his place of birth is situated.
Or something. It's too hot for this shit, really.
The thing is that the Soviet Union split up into multiple present-day countries - unlike Surinam, for instance (Davids was mentioned before), which simply gained independence from Holland. So, Davids and Kanchelskis are different situations - the former wasn't born in an independent country (but rather a colony ruled by the country he went on to play for), the latter was born in an independent country which doesn't exist anymore - and went on to play for a country which is separate from the present-day country in which his place of birth is situated.
Or something. It's too hot for this shit, really.
Rules revolving around nationality are always quite tricky to define, I was in pains with it in the All-time draft. The problem with that definition is that you would rule out most players in that category really as most breakups happened after these guys were born, you are then left with a bunch of Africans, Home Nations crossing over and some random Brazilians who can't make it for Brazil.
Same here.
Overmars
It does say that. But that either
a) doesn't apply to a player who was born in a country which no longer exists, or
b) could be taken at face value. Andrei was born in an independent country. And the country he played for was independent at the time too. It just happens to be the same country - which no longer exists. Hence the trouble with these old Eastern European countries which split up into multiple different present-day ones.
Top quality pick. I wanted him for sooo long but couldn't find a way to fit him in!!
Of course. Then the country of his birth, the Soviet Union, would have been independent from Japan back then. That wouldn't be a problem at all. I really don't see the difference between Kanchelskis and Davids here, both were born in a part of the country they later played for, even though the region, where they are born in, later became independent.
Wasn't there the same discussion on Yugoslavia?
Gone when you need him. Typical trippy!
Gone when you need him. Typical trippy!
Yes - true enough. It's possible to operate with different definitions - but for the purposes of this draft, I guess it's just a question of drawing a line somewhere.
Not being an ass here i just don't really know what i am on about when it comes to all this but what is the differance between Schevchenko and Kanchelskis ? Again i am not trying to make a point either way i am just wondering.
Is Playing for Russia the same as playing for USSR ?
You could also claim that being born in Moscow, 1980, and having played your football for Russia - should make you eligible. Because the Soviet Union and Russia are two different countries. But that would seem too easy - same as with West and East Germany and the present reunited country.
Is anyone after me interested in van Bronkhorst in exchange for a pick?
Lost a world cup final and has played in 3 countries.
Or anyone in general, actually.
Lost a world cup final and has played in 3 countries.
Or anyone in general, actually.
If there is a difference, it is this: Sheva was born in present-day Ukraine and played his football for Ukraine. Andrei K. was born in present-day Ukraine and played his football for Russia (and the old Soviet Union, before that).
Now, in terms of where they were born and the status of these areas - today - there is clearly a difference. But whether this difference should, er, make a difference TO US, in this draft, is another matter.
EDIT Not in terms of where they were born - but in terms of what country they played for, of course.
It is not the same AT ALL.
Sammer's place of birth was part of the country he went on to represent. For Andrei, Ukraine was not part of Russia who he represented.
In the context of current time, he was born in Ukraine yet played for Russia. It is almost the same as Diego Costa who represented Brazil first and then Spain. Andrei represented his country of birth first and then a country that had nothing to do with his place of birth.