Any non-researched pick should be punished accordingly.
The Criteria Draft - The Drafts
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It was the middle of the night and its romania! C'mon when have they ever been top 30 of anything.
Date FIFA Ranking position
July 2014 28
June 2014 29
May 2014 32
April 2014 31
March 2014 32
February 2014 33
January 2014 33
2013 32
2012 33
2011 56
2010 56
2009 36
2008 21
2007 13
2006 19
2005 27
2004 29
2003 27
2002 24
2001 15
2000 13
1999 8
1998 12
1997 7
1996 16
1995 11
1994 11
1993 13
@MJJ
For most of the 1990's and 2000's :P
July 2014 28
June 2014 29
May 2014 32
April 2014 31
March 2014 32
February 2014 33
January 2014 33
2013 32
2012 33
2011 56
2010 56
2009 36
2008 21
2007 13
2006 19
2005 27
2004 29
2003 27
2002 24
2001 15
2000 13
1999 8
1998 12
1997 7
1996 16
1995 11
1994 11
1993 13
@MJJ
For most of the 1990's and 2000's :P
A bit too late to change, isn't it?
But in all seriousness, let's wait to get a consensus. I don't mind too much, but i also do appreciate it is quite late to change . Also if everyone keeps changing picks they get wrong, then half the point of the draft is gone.
I think to keep it as if you recognise and change before the next guy picks, it's ok.
. Also if everyone keeps changing picks they get wrong, then half the point of the draft is gone. I think to keep it as if you recognise and change before the next guy picks, it's ok.
I honestly feel that it is a bit late to change the pick. Or some special solution maybe that you can change the pick when the whole drafting process (all 12 picks) are over?
TO CLARIFY THE 1985 RULE:
As the phrase is badly worded, being born in 1985 is fine. I think it's too late to effectively change that criteria from what everyone is thinking about.
I've cleared it up in the OP.
As the phrase is badly worded, being born in 1985 is fine. I think it's too late to effectively change that criteria from what everyone is thinking about.
I've cleared it up in the OP.
I will already be punished in a way by missing out on ten-twelve picks that I could have made if I had changed the pick immediately though.
I don't mind too much, but I really do believe that if you made that pick without a proper research it's your fault. I don't see any difference between changing it now or before your next turn, as it might hurt us at the same manner.
I think if he is to get to change it, it can go ahead now and not wait, but I still believe it shouldn't be changed, lucky for you we get 12 picks so one mistake doesn't screw us over and you can still work a team around this mistake.
I think if he is to get to change it, it can go ahead now and not wait, but I still believe it shouldn't be changed, lucky for you we get 12 picks so one mistake doesn't screw us over and you can still work a team around this mistake.
If we are to allow it to be changed, it should be when everyone else is done with their picks.
How about, instead of the ideas of sheeps, if you make an error you have to wait until everyone else has finished drafting and then you can swap them? i.e. Mjj would need to wait until everyone has had 12 picks to swap that player. Thats a punishment for making a mistake but at least it's nbetter than a sheep?
pretty much what i just suggested too.
And so did I. Feel if a change is to be made it should be like that.
I don't mind. I just want to point out that after Sammer-Lahm picks we weren't too pleased either. I though Sammer and Kohler can fit rule 8-9, and crappy preferred someone else over Lahm, but we realized we made the mistake and kept going, and now both are crucial for our team.. If I could've changed in that moment we probably would. On second though I'm sure I'm against changing.
Yeah allowed to pick at the end seems okay.
I would have played popescu as well if I didnt already have someone for the only criteria he fits.
Who is that?
I don't mind if he can change at the end. Let's not forget nothing happens! Even if MJJ does get a sheep he can still use it as a sub and no voter will even know
Effenberg.
Doesn't matter to me, really - but it does strike me as a bit odd if you can change a pick that was made several rounds ago. Sort of defeats the purpose of the thing, no? If it was based on a misunderstanding of some kind, some genuinely ambiguous thing which came to light only now - then that would be different. But this is a mistake, pure and simple - and you have to pay for those in any kind of game, it's the nature of the...game.
@BorisDeLeFora is up, right?
Not been around since yesterday, I think.
@BorisDeLeFora is up, right?
Not been around since yesterday, I think.
I think that's generally what we've come to a consensus on. MJJ doesn't get a sheep, but rather can change that pick at the end of the draft. Same applies to anyone else who makes an error really.
Looks fair to me. How about when the drafting part is over, everybody will have a 12 hours window to change any players they want for unpicked ones?
No - you could restructure your entire team then. Also what happens if 2 people want the same guy?
Only those who have made a genuine mistake can change their guys IMO. No one else can.
Tbf I believe that if I thought of someone better who hasn't been picked I can go ahead and pick him just like someone who made a mistake. Doesn't really matter if I made a mistake by picking someone who doesn't fit my team or picked someone who I could've found someone better imo.
And when the changing window is open it depends on how quickly you do it, if I've picked someone you wanted before you did than it's your problem.
I don't think there will be too many changes apart from people who made mistakes like MJJ anyway but I think it should be open for everyone
It's your show, mate. But I'd consider keeping the original sheep idea. You end up with 12 players - anyone of these who do not meet an individual criterion is deemed ineligible - and is replaced by a player who does meet the missing criterion.
If you can simply replace your poor/ineligible picks after the draft - well, then you may end up not being punished for 'em at all. In theory you could do very well for yourself in such a post-draw situation, especially if the number of managers who have fecked up is low.
Well, that's my view on it anyway. You call the shots - and if you want to ditch the sheep aspect, that's perfectly alright too.
Both very true. What do others recon? Repick at the end or go with a sheep?
Considering one of the criteria is sheep-like(never played in europe), I think repick is a better system(would have thought the same if someone else had made the mistake).
I'm fine with a re-pick but then I also think that a player missed the criteria, it should then become a sheep as per the rules, especially as a couple of rounds have now passed.
I am starting to think that the most fair for everyone is the original rule that you are assigned a sheep if you do not meet the criterias at the end.
1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - Messi, Sammer, Lahm, Zambrotta, Etoo, Cocu, F. de Boer
2. MJJ/mani-Ronaldinho, Henry, Cafu, Kaka, Hierro, Popescu, Effenberg
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu, Pirlo, Essien
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi, Benarrivo, Camoranesi
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler, Rooney, Aldair
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori, Ferrara, Van Der Sar
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc, Sagnol, Samuel
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham, Bale, Gallas
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini, F. Couto, Claudio Lopez, Baines
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand, Luis Enrique, Guardiola, Zabaleta
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio, Lampard, Villa
12. Chesterlestreet - Stoichkov, Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki, Ibrahimovic, Kahn
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic, Del Piero, Cambiasso
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack, Fabregas, Ljungberg
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi, Simeone, Van Persie
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta, Gamarra, Gattuso
Bumping this one up for @BorisDeLeFora (his turn) and everyone else.
2. MJJ/mani-Ronaldinho, Henry, Cafu, Kaka, Hierro, Popescu, Effenberg
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu, Pirlo, Essien
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi, Benarrivo, Camoranesi
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler, Rooney, Aldair
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori, Ferrara, Van Der Sar
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc, Sagnol, Samuel
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham, Bale, Gallas
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini, F. Couto, Claudio Lopez, Baines
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand, Luis Enrique, Guardiola, Zabaleta
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio, Lampard, Villa
12. Chesterlestreet - Stoichkov, Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki, Ibrahimovic, Kahn
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic, Del Piero, Cambiasso
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack, Fabregas, Ljungberg
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi, Simeone, Van Persie
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta, Gamarra, Gattuso
Bumping this one up for @BorisDeLeFora (his turn) and everyone else.
I'm completely sure that keeping the sheep is the fairest way to go, but the question is won't it ruin the game? MJJ created a great team so far, and as we know the drafting is the fun part and not the matches themselves, so I think maybe it's better to face a team with one late pick instead of a 7th round one, and let him replace him after last round, instead of placing a sheep at his team that will probably mean he'll get knocked out.. I say let him pick a player late on, and hope he won't have a world beater up his sleeve
There are some categories - which MJJ correctly suggests - that are sheepish (!) to begin with. But that was part and parcel from the start - being forced to field unglamorous players is in the spirit of the draft, as I see it. It should be difficult to set up a team here - so I vote for the least pleasurable alternative, which is clearly to be assigned sheep for your faulty picks.
But I won't make a fuss either way.
You have twelve players at your disposal, though. Unless you're assigned two sheep, your team shouldn't be ruined.
Bear in mind he can still make a trade, it is only at the end that the sheep comes into play.
Yep. He can also trade Effenberg, which I presume many would be interested in and have Popescu for that category.
Ok, let's go with a sheep. We'll just be reasonable with the sheep :P
Yes, he has plenty of time to find a trade and get out of the mess.
Marquez is a decent comparison because they both excelled with their delivery. But I'd take De Boer ahead of them both because, while he was physically limited, he had an exceptional left peg and dictated so much football for Barcelona and Holland. He needs to be in the right set-up alongside the right partner and someone like Stam compensates for Stam's weaknesses very well. You've also got the issue around Varane's youth. In the past in these drafts we have worked with a three-year period as the definition of a peak which seems a fair way of filtering out the one-season wonders and inconsistent kids. Varane has vast potential but I'm not sure if his CV is strong enough yet to bear comparison with the better defenders in the pool.It might be the first time your not drunk on the draft.
Which one of DeBoer and Cocu were in your plans?
By the way, how are you guys rating de boer? Last draft MJJ labeled him a worse defender than Varane and Marquez