The Criteria Draft - The Drafts

rpitroda said:
He gets the ball in the box and on top of people's heads son!
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That's what he does - and he does it better than most.

You need to be very clear about where he plays, positionally, though. He needs to play his United role - that's where he's a top, top player. And it's a role which doesn't go well with many set-ups. You certainly can't use him in a modern 4-2-3-1 - he'd look completely out of place.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
That's what he does - and he does it better than most.

You need to be very clear about where he plays, positionally, though. He needs to play his United role - that's where he's a top, top player. And it's a role which doesn't go well with many set-ups. You certainly can't use him in a modern 4-2-3-1 - he'd look completely out of place.
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Absolutely. I cant remember the last time I seen him positioned properly in one of these drafts. I've seen him at wingback and right wing forward in the last few.
 
I think that people forget the cross field through-balls which I'd say where a much better part of his game than crosses in to the box. He is the only wide midfielder I've ever seen with that sort of style.
 
Cutch said:
Absolutely. I cant remember the last time I seen him positioned properly in one of these drafts. I've seen him at wingback and right wing forward in the last few.
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It could be argued that given his position that he pretty much played all those roles to a certain extent by proxy.
 
Stobzilla said:
It could be argued that given his position that he pretty much played all those roles to a certain extent by proxy.
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I agree, I don't think that Beckham needs to play as a right midfielder in a 4-4-2 for him to be great. He'd play the wide forward role as well and as he'd work his socks off in the defense he'd be pretty much doing exactly what he did as a right midfielder anyhow. The only difference being that a 4-3-3 has more cover than a 4-4-2 with 2 offensive box to box midfielders in Keane and Scholes and a left wide midfielder in Giggs who was offensive as well.
 
Stobzilla said:
It could be argued that given his position that he pretty much played all those roles to a certain extent by proxy.
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I agree with this. People get very frightened by any player who is not in the position they usually play. It annoys me to an extent because, a draft is after all a fantasy. You are creating a fantasy team, and by nature combining players who rarely or didn't play together. The whole thing is a figment of imagination. However, you're creating a team you think will work.

At the end of the day, Beckham had the legs to run up and down, he had a great passing range, excellent crossing ability. There is no reason why he can't play RM or RW. Potentially you could argue some of his skill set, such as the cross field balls Annah was talking about, might be rendered useless if he was at rw, but there is no reason you could successfuly argue that Beckham would automatically be shite if you stuck him at RW.

There is a strong case for saying he could play that role, if your objective was to be defensive and work the ball to the flanks on the break, and you have a brilliant target man in the middle.
 
Just bringing this one to the new page.

1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - Messi, Sammer, Lahm, Zambrotta, Etoo
2. MJJ/mani-Ronaldinho, Henry,Cafu, Kaka, Hierro
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi,
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand,
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio,
12. Chesterlestreet - Hristo Stoichkov, Gaizka Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic,
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta
 
I don't think Beckham would shine as a winger in 4-3-3 - to me he simply lacks the pace for that kind of role.

He could, however work as one of the three in the middle, if the balance elsewhere is good. Something like this:

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He could put his excellent passing to good use in that role - spraying 'em left right and centre to a pacey trio of forwards.

It's the role I intend for Mendieta in my team, incidentally. A central midfielder who is no stranger to wide positions.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I don't think Beckham would shine as a winger in 4-3-3 - to me he simply lacks the pace for that kind of role.

He could, however work as one of the three in the middle, if the balance elsewhere is good. Something like this:

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He could out his excellent passing to good use in that role - spraying 'em left right and centre to a pacey trio of forwards.

It's the role I intend for Mendieta in my team, incidentally. A central midfielder who is no stranger to wide positions.
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Fair comments to be, well, fair.
 
rpitroda said:
I agree with this. People get very frightened by any player who is not in the position they usually play. It annoys me to an extent because, a draft is after all a fantasy. You are creating a fantasy team, and by nature combining players who rarely or didn't play together. The whole thing is a figment of imagination. However, you're creating a team you think will work.

At the end of the day, Beckham had the legs to run up and down, he had a great passing range, excellent crossing ability. There is no reason why he can't play RM or RW. Potentially you could argue some of his skill set, such as the cross field balls Annah was talking about, might be rendered useless if he was at rw, but there is no reason you could successfuly argue that Beckham would automatically be shite if you stuck him at RW.

There is a strong case for saying he could play that role, if your objective was to be defensive and work the ball to the flanks on the break, and you have a brilliant target man in the middle.
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Absolutely all of this. The notion if "fixed" position is troubling to me. Not only because I would see that as a weakness tactically for that individual. But it opens up a "Preferred" Vs. "Best" argument which gets silly.
 
Beckham has to play in the midfield line. Anything else is suboptimal.
 
Interesting pick. Do we smell a combo gamble here?

He does meet one criterion - but only one, I think.
 
1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - Messi, Sammer, Lahm, Zambrotta, Etoo
2. MJJ/mani-Ronaldinho, Henry,Cafu, Kaka, Hierro
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi,
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini, F. Couto
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand,
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio,
12. Chesterlestreet - Hristo Stoichkov, Gaizka Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic,
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta

@rpitroda
 
1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - Messi, Sammer, Lahm, Zambrotta, Etoo
2. MJJ/mani-Ronaldinho, Henry,Cafu, Kaka, Hierro
3. Annahnomoss - Ronaldo 9, Thuram, Cannavaro, Ribery, Lizarazu
4. Cutch - Maldini, Savicevic, Zanetti, Kohler, De Rossi,
5. NoPace - Ronaldo 7, R. Baggio, Senna, Schweinsteiger, Thomas Hassler
6. Stobzilla / KM - Zidane, Davids, Robben, Irwin, Signori
7. FromTheBench/Theon - Romário, Makélélé, Gerrard, Totti, Blanc
8. EDogen - Keane, Scholes, Weah, Evra, Beckham
9. BigDunc9 - Xavi, Iniesta, Shevchenko, Albertini, F. Couto
10. rpitroda - Nedved, Seedorf, Deco, Ferdinand, Luis Enrique
11. BorisDeLeFora - Nesta, Vieira, Matt Le Tissier, Lucio,
12. Chesterlestreet - Hristo Stoichkov, Gaizka Mendieta, Des Walker, Prosinečki
13. Paceme - Figo, Rui Costa, Batistuta, Vidic,
14. NM / Snow - Redondo, Giggs, Ayala, Ballack
15. Aldo - Rivaldo, Desailly, Stam, Hagi
16. Edgar Allan pillow - Roberto Carlos, Litmanen, Pepe, Arteta
 
Dunc and me were discussing a Deco swap but I backed off.

The way my team was going I needed a goal scoring AM much more than a winger.

And after earlier discussions it would be mean of me to sell to someone just so he cannot complete his trio. Anyway I was concerned more on my team, tbh!
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Interesting pick. Do we smell a combo gamble here?

He does meet one criterion - but only one, I think.
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He does meet the "trigger-happy nutter likely to accumulate several red cards within the course of a single draft tournament" criterion which should be mainstreamed as a key element of every draft going forward.
 
[QUOTE="Chesterlestreet, post: 16113325]
It's the role I intend for Mendieta in my team, incidentally. A central midfielder who is no stranger to wide positions.[/QUOTE]
Aye he fits there like a glove.
 
I actually think I have a solid plan to how our final team will look, I just need an approval from crappy and I think with a bit of luck we can have a good team.
 
NoPace said:
Thomas Hassler
Never won the league, but did manage to star during Germany's 1990 World Cup win and their 1996 European Cup.
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Great pick. Probably the star of the show at Euro/UEFA '92
 
Stobzilla said:
Hassler also finished 3rd in Ballon d'or voting. #shinfo

I'm on an iPad and thus not arsing about with the list but we pick Giuseppe Signori.

Less than 30 caps, won feck all. Absolute demon of a player. Makes no sense.
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Aye Signori gets the juices flowing of any '90s Serie A fan: in fact I'm sure a good chunk of the Caf who are now 30 +/-5 will get a sentimental boner just hearing his name.
 
Any interest of trading George Weah? He meets criteria 4,6 & 10. Could be against a player or maybe for your next pick.

Drop me a PM in case of interest.
 
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