The bad (typically gun related) things happening in America thread

langster said:
Ahhh freedom of speech, just not what is written in books that we don't like. Or said by others we don't like, or said about something we like or don't like but it applies to you! And don't elect those Commies on the left as they will take away your rights yet want you to be taught stuff we don't agree with so we will ban that shit too and replace it with shit we want everyone to be taught.

It's fecking batshit. Nothing but projection & hypocrisy.
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Yes, that is a solid description of the GOP.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
I wouldn't get too caught up in the terminology. Magazine capacity is a bigger factor than how a gun looks or what operating system it uses.



Careful now. Some people need a couple of shots and it's better if they can get those shots of as fast as possible. Do they need more than five? No, and limiting magazine capacity is another easy win.
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Damn you with your fecking rational defence and reasoning. Although I'd still prefer people not to have them at all, I'd accept that restriction if it was that or no change at all. Sadly though, you're rational, many would fight against that as hard as a complete ban.
 
langster said:
Damn you with your fecking rational defence and reasoning. Although I'd still prefer people not to have them at all, I'd accept that restriction if it was that or no change at all. Sadly though, you're rational, many would fight against that as hard as a complete ban.
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There's no would about it, they actively fought against the bump stock ban which Trump brought in oddly enough, and won in the SC
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Heh. I can confirm that is not the case.
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Why because people would need more attempts to hit their target?
langster said:
Damn you with your fecking rational defence and reasoning. Although I'd still prefer people not to have them at all, I'd accept that restriction if it was that or no change at all. Sadly though, you're rational, many would fight against that as hard as a complete ban.
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I'm not sure if Canada has the same gun laws as the US but this type of incident don't happen there as often... or at all.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
I wouldn't get too caught up in the terminology. Magazine capacity is a bigger factor than how a gun looks or what operating system it uses.



Careful now. Some people need a couple of shots and it's better if they can get those shots of as fast as possible. Do they need more than five? No, and limiting magazine capacity is another easy win.
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What about limiting bullet velocity, ie the amount of powder in a bullet? Is that feasible?
 
Scarlett Dracarys said:
Why because people would need more attempts to hit their target?

I'm not sure if Canada has the same gun laws as the US but this type of incident don't happen there as often... or at all.
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I'd assume, from my own experience, the people who buy the most bullets are target shooters. Here in Canada our gun laws are such that semi-automatic rifles can only have a 5 round magazine. Some people complain about that but it doesn't bother me. I still shoot the same amount, I just have to load more magazines.

We have a pretty solid set of gun laws. The way the law is written, possession of any firearm is illegal but the government grants an amnesty from prosecution if you have the appropriate licence, which requires safety courses and background checks. We have storage requirements, magazine restrictions, as mentioned (5 rounds for rifles, 10 for handguns), some registration, and a bunch of banned semi-automatics, including the AR-15. Currently we can't buy, sell or trade handguns, either.

All of that goes some way to reducing access to guns and gun violence as a result. There may be cultural difference as well but from my experience many of our gun fanatics are right up there with their American counterparts.

RedTiger said:
What about limiting bullet velocity, ie the amount of powder in a bullet? Is that feasible?
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I think if there's enough charge to get it out of the barrel it's going to be pretty deadly.
 
So this idiotic snapchat or tik tok challenge is happening in multiple states in the US where kids would put up a post saying they will shoot up xyz schools and in some cases, come up with a target list of the kids in school.
News came in the last week from all over Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Florida and saw one from California as well.

Multiple juveniles, even as small as 11 yr olds have been taken into custody for these threats.
 
feck, I spent countless hours at 5 points when I was a grad student. It’s the restaurant and bar hub for students at UAB and there are some great little places there.
 
Missouri has executed Marcellus Williams. Williams is believed to be innocent by the victim’s family AND the prosecutors that got him convicted in the first place, and DNA evidence proves his innocence. Despite all of this, and tens of thousands of people asking for his sentence to be commuted, Missouri’s Supreme Court and governor still allowed the execution to go through.
 
Carolina Red said:
Missouri has executed Marcellus Williams. Williams is believed to be innocent by the victim’s family AND the prosecutors that got him convicted in the first place.
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Today I was reading about it. I didn't know it was happening today. So they went through eh? Crazy...
 
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry in horror. Bloke was itching to kill.
 
Adisa said:
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry in horror. Bloke was itching to kill.
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How does this sit legally?
He's admitting an unarmed intruder was on her way out, and he still shot her?

Is the rule not reasonable force in self defence!?
 
Adisa said:
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry in horror. Bloke was itching to kill.
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This was from 2014... And no, he didn't face any charges.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-no-charges-home-burglary-20150126-story.html


He even dragged the dead woman's body back to his house from the alley where she finally fell, hoping to lure the other burglar back so he could shoot him too. I get he had been robbed twice before but it's even worse than that small clip makes it. Unfeckingbelievable.
 
langster said:
This was from 2014... And no, he didn't face any charges.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-no-charges-home-burglary-20150126-story.html


He even dragged the dead woman's body back to his house from the alley where she finally fell, hoping to lure the other burglar back so he could shoot him too. I get he had been robbed twice before but it's even worse than that small clip makes it. Unfeckingbelievable.
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The old man is a cnut, the gun culture in US is broken. The burglers, stealing the old man for a second time are despicable and knowing how gun culture works is really feck around and you find out. They paid too high of a price but thdy knew how the "system" works
 
It's not often, but when I am around conflict, like 2 people arguing, I usually get the hell out of there. The odds of it turning into something like a gun fight is slim but it's more than zero and I don't want to be around if that happens. I always marvel at how many folks stand around and record that stuff on their phones.
 
MarylandMUFan said:
It's not often, but when I am around conflict, like 2 people arguing, I usually get the hell out of there. The odds of it turning into something like a gun fight is slim but it's more than zero and I don't want to be around if that happens. I always marvel at how many folks stand around and record that stuff on their phones.
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That's social media for you and the idiotic need to be 'famous' - I was there at a shooting, I was there at a hurricane and so on
 
Saw that the YSL trial devolved into a shit show again, the prosecution seemingly deliberately trying to get information before the jury that the judge said couldn't come in (passing an unredacted exhibit to a witness and asking them to read it out loud, including prompting them to read the part that was redacted for everyone else) and the judge offered the defendants a mistrial without prejudice and prompted a lot of plea deals where many members are getting probation.
 
Sarah Boone - America's sweetheart, sentenced to life without parole for murdering her boyfriend by trapping him in a suitcase and letting him suffocate.

Infamously forgot she recorded herself screaming at him while he was dying and was confronted with the video by the police the next day
 
gaffs said:
Damn. I hope his insurance will cover him. Knowing United Healthcare, probably not.

Im joking of course, but it will be interesting to see if this was a targeted attack because of an irate customer being screwed by United Healthcare.
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Shockingly my experience with UHC (well, their subsidiary UMR) has been fantastic. I had a massive health scare this year and they were super helpful in navigating the complexities of Duke Healthcare.

That being said, I would be shocked if this wasn't a targeted attack.
 
WI_Red said:
Shockingly my experience with UHC (well, their subsidiary UMR) has been fantastic. I had a massive health scare this year and they were super helpful in navigating the complexities of Duke Healthcare.

That being said, I would be shocked if this wasn't a targeted attack.
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Good for you and im glad you are were looked after.

Fair to say all insurance companies are poor if you don't have the right level of coverage. I have Aetna via a big company so pay little for great coverage. Every penny was paid for my newborn to be in a NICU for 4 weeks. I know people who have been royally screwed over by their insurance companies.
 
gaffs said:
Good for you and im glad you are were looked after.

Fair to say all insurance companies are poor if you don't have the right level of coverage. I have Aetna via a big company so pay little for great coverage. Every penny was paid for my newborn to be in a NICU for 4 weeks. I know people who have been royally screwed over by their insurance companies.
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Absolutely agree with the bolded part. We definitely did not have the energy to deal with shenanigans had they tried them, so I count myself incredibly lucky. Healthcare in this country can be great if you can find the money for it, which is an all sorts of fecked up sentence to write. I hope all turned out well with the little one!
 
WI_Red said:
Absolutely agree with the bolded part. We definitely did not have the energy to deal with shenanigans had they tried them, so I count myself incredibly lucky. Healthcare in this country can be great if you can find the money for it, which is an all sorts of fecked up sentence to write. I hope all turned out well with the little one!
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Baby was great thanks - no complications she just popped out early! I cant imagine what that would be like though counting the days in the NICU knowing you would have to pay towards some, or all, of the cost. Our bill was over $250k for the north and NICU stay, but all taken care of. THough there is some weird calculation in the insurance industry where the insurance company never pays the full amount of the bill provided - a GP explained it to me once and it made no real sense.
It does make you wonder though if the hospitals are stretching out those stays because they are so lucrative.
 
WI_Red said:
Shockingly my experience with UHC (well, their subsidiary UMR) has been fantastic. I had a massive health scare this year and they were super helpful in navigating the complexities of Duke Healthcare.

That being said, I would be shocked if this wasn't a targeted attack.
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Definitely a targeted assassination. Absolutely insane.

That said, I used to work in the US in oncology market access and it's very unsurprising that people would feel beyond bitter at some of the practices of these large insurance companies. The fact that PBMs are a thing that exists is completely immoral.
 
gaffs said:
Baby was great thanks - no complications she just popped out early! I cant imagine what that would be like though counting the days in the NICU knowing you would have to pay towards some, or all, of the cost. Our bill was over $250k for the north and NICU stay, but all taken care of. THough there is some weird calculation in the insurance industry where the insurance company never pays the full amount of the bill provided - a GP explained it to me once and it made no real sense.
It does make you wonder though if the hospitals are stretching out those stays because they are so lucrative.
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Oh, I am in firm belief now that hospitals are worse than insurance companies because at least the IC's are honest that they are trying to make money. For example, Duke classifies the Duke Cancer Center as a surgical site, so an office visit is not billed as an office visit, so that $40 copay became a $400 "outpatient surgical visit" (all applied towards deductible) for a 15 minute appointment. Bonkers! The UMR person I was dealing with actually got on the phone with Duke to plead with them to reclassify even though it actually was cheaper for UMR to have me pay everything!
 
WI_Red said:
Absolutely agree with the bolded part. We definitely did not have the energy to deal with shenanigans had they tried them, so I count myself incredibly lucky. Healthcare in this country can be great if you can find the money for it, which is an all sorts of fecked up sentence to write. I hope all turned out well with the little one!
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I have United through my work (global tech firm). I went to refill a scrip for breo eillipta which I used because I am allergic to cats and I have 5. I called the pharmacy to refill it and they told me it was denied. I could only refill it through Uniteds Optum home delivery. This is insane, what if I needed emergency meds? I'm on the road a lot, I am not always at home. I'm literally locked into their own service that delivers to my house and not free to choose my own pharmacy. After much pushing back on the phone I was permitted to refill it one more time.
 
NotworkSte said:
I have United through my work (global tech firm). I went to refill a scrip for breo eillipta which I used because I am allergic to cats and I have 5. I called the pharmacy to refill it and they told me it was denied. I could only refill it through Uniteds Optum home delivery. This is insane, what if I needed emergency meds? I'm on the road a lot, I am not always at home. I'm literally locked into their own service that delivers to my house and not free to choose my own pharmacy. After much pushing back on the phone I was permitted to refill it one more time.
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That is just dumb and, while not gun related, definitely fits this thread title.
 
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