It’s definitely a massive exaggeration but there’s probably some element of truth of him struggling to get some kind speciality ingredient that he really wanted.
The Athletic: Man Utd preparing to conduct full audit of pastoral offering to 1st team + transition from academy
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It’s definitely a massive exaggeration but there’s probably some element of truth of him struggling to get some kind speciality ingredient that he really wanted.
I'm sure he has a personal assistant and.. the internet
I am both intrigued and excited that we seem to be doing the right things. A bit worried that we haven't done so earlier, but certainly relieved someone - probably Murthough- is taking charge and starting the process to fix the mess we are in.
So far the news around staff and structure have been positive, long may it continue.
So far the news around staff and structure have been positive, long may it continue.
I think this could be hugely beneficial if utilised properly by the club.
I believe it was Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski in Soccernomics who talked about the importance of pastoral care to the performance of new signings, and it just makes sense really. If you're a player moving from the Portuguese league and you don't yet speak English, it's obvious you'll settle much easier if you have people with extensive knowledge of the local area to sort out living arrangements, nutrition plans, education for your kids if you have any, and all of the basics. It's not difficult to foresee how this would then translate to better performances on the pitch.
Kuper and Szymanski's essential point, if I'm not mistaken, was that if you're going to spend £60 million to bring in a player, surely you want to do everything you can to ensure they settle as smoothly as possible for a cost that is comparatively pretty much nothing?
I believe it was Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski in Soccernomics who talked about the importance of pastoral care to the performance of new signings, and it just makes sense really. If you're a player moving from the Portuguese league and you don't yet speak English, it's obvious you'll settle much easier if you have people with extensive knowledge of the local area to sort out living arrangements, nutrition plans, education for your kids if you have any, and all of the basics. It's not difficult to foresee how this would then translate to better performances on the pitch.
Kuper and Szymanski's essential point, if I'm not mistaken, was that if you're going to spend £60 million to bring in a player, surely you want to do everything you can to ensure they settle as smoothly as possible for a cost that is comparatively pretty much nothing?
He moved to a new country where he doesn’t know anybody and doesn’t speak the language during lockdown. It’s not that simple.
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He might not have had an assistant who knew the local area particularly well, and if you're not familiar with the language then the internet really isn't all that much use.
As phelans shorts said, I'm sure there's a whole lot of exaggeration involved in the Cavani story, but I don't find it that difficult to believe that he'd have struggled with particular dietary requirements if insufficient pastoral care was in place to help players transition to a new environment.
How come 4 billion company can have so many flaws?! I don't get it.
So an agent wouldn’t be able to contact a letting agent or an estate agent? Would a club in a city know more about real estate than a estate agent? Do agents not have internet access? If I were paying an agent a large percentage of my earnings, I’d want them to feckin earn it. Players agents organise many parts of their lives. As it’s their job.
The Collyer from Brighton would probably be found accomodation by the club (as it’s happened in the past) unless he has an agent who’d sort it for him. No idea about other players who don’t have agents, as far as I’m aware they all do, as they pay them to organise their lives outside of training and playing.
A sports team run by bankers who's ultimate goal is profit. Why pay for these kinds of services when you can let the players do so out of their own pocket is what sticks out to me. Over the years i’ve heard of a multitude of things we haven’t bothered to modernise with based around the fact we are saving money and had people who had no idea how to run a football club making the decisions.
Lack of sports psychologist, i’ve heard/read things about the nutrition and personal trainers.
With Murtough actually allowed to make changes and decisions now it’s no wonder these kinds of basics things are being implemented - and I don’t think it’s a coincidence with Rangnick being here as well who’s been in his ear this entire time. These kinds of things should have been done quietly and without fuss behind the scenes for years but because we’ve been run so poorly it’s all big news now, which is just sad for our club, but at least things seem to be changing
About time we put some players out to pasture.
“Who knows but it’s about time we sorted ours out!!!”
I don't know if someone mentioned it but United used to have someone taking care of players, Barry Moorhouse who left in 2014.
The wording of Ornstein's tweet left me seething 
The Cavani stuff was tongue in cheek from Andy Mitten.
But I think it goes without saying that a club should do everything in their power to ensure a player settles quickly. Even if it's seemingly inconsequential stuff.
A few months after arriving in Manchester, Cavani ended up moving to The Mere in Knutsford - because he enjoys fishing and wanted to live near water. Someone will have had to make that recommendation to him.
You're not a dummy. It's a silly tweet.
He could definitely use a commaThe wording of Ornstein's tweet left me seething
He could use a fecking ghostwriter if he's going to be feeding us shit like that
The players hate our red jersey, it’s too fierce. They’ve asked for pale blues and sage greens.
And may Pastor Fred hoofeth the ball away from our defence. Amen.
And lo, in the days of Klopp of Germania, was a sea of red, and they moved with haste, and the people did shout, "Wherethy thy feck didst these cnuteth's learneth to hasten their feet so?"
Behold, the Holy One, the Pastor of Devils, Fred, was exalted and proclaimed, "Those men who adorn their bodies with armor of shells, they inhaleth."
Was Ornstein drunk when he wrote this? Pastoral offering - fecking hell.
A blood sacrifice?
Pastor Fred.
Definitely would explain the poor conditioning and fitness of many of our players, especially Shaw. We have to hope that Murtough is quietly sorting all of this shit out.
This is basically improving player liaison right?
Plenty to giggle at with the wording used but there must be a reason so many players' performance has dipped in recent years.
United are right to make sure that all is done to ensure that the pieces are in place to get the most out of the squad.
United are right to make sure that all is done to ensure that the pieces are in place to get the most out of the squad.
From welcoming a new player, ensuring they have everything they need, to looking after the players if they need assistance outside of playing/training. Looking after them if they are homesick etc. a team manager can’t do it all
Don’t people on here keep saying that Fletcher's main role is “pathway to first team”?
What will Darren Fletcher do now??
What will Darren Fletcher do now??
Don't know I'm more glad that we're finally making these types of changes or embarrassed that we're just catching on now
Howson ( I'm not saying he isn't an oafish bore) from Stretford Paddock has been saying for years that the diet/ nutrition/ off field support at the club is atrocious.
So the Shaw / Cavani stories don't surprise me.
Even though it does make Cavani seem a little "Soft" it's an indictment of how the club helps acclimatize it's new signings that those sort of things are sorted out before he arrives.
It's not really about if he can hire an assistant or a butcher or whatever , it's the fact that at clubs like City or Liverpool he wouldn't have to worry about it. I'm sure it goes a long way to ensuring that their new signings hit the ground running.
So the Shaw / Cavani stories don't surprise me.
Even though it does make Cavani seem a little "Soft" it's an indictment of how the club helps acclimatize it's new signings that those sort of things are sorted out before he arrives.
It's not really about if he can hire an assistant or a butcher or whatever , it's the fact that at clubs like City or Liverpool he wouldn't have to worry about it. I'm sure it goes a long way to ensuring that their new signings hit the ground running.
I mean, we're talking about googling meats on the internet here
Could get you in all kinds of trouble.
We have it in place, as noted by the person who used to do it leaving the job. The club has just realised it's falling short and looking to improve it.
I can think of a few posters on here who could do with some pastoral care n’all.
Quite a few people here talk about how these are grown men, but really, how many of these players were really at home full time to learn how to be adults? On the other hand, these are the guys who were at the top of the game at every level, and told as much, and got the big contract. In many respects, they can be and are big children with lots of money. None of that equates into being mature adults with the wisdom to handle themselves properly. Unless the clubs are guiding them, many of them will have no way of knowing which way to go.
As for foreign players, I do find it hard to believe that we're not doing the utmost to help them get their feet, and the feet of their families, firmly on the ground. But if we're not, that's just shameful.
All that said, any organization should be continually going over their processes and procedures to make sure they are doing enough in every area of the business. In United's case, I would hope we're making sure we're doing the best. Yeah, yeah, I know we're obviously not, and that IS shameful.
As for foreign players, I do find it hard to believe that we're not doing the utmost to help them get their feet, and the feet of their families, firmly on the ground. But if we're not, that's just shameful.
All that said, any organization should be continually going over their processes and procedures to make sure they are doing enough in every area of the business. In United's case, I would hope we're making sure we're doing the best. Yeah, yeah, I know we're obviously not, and that IS shameful.
When Ferguson took over we didn’t have players from all over the world.