The Athletic: Man Utd preparing to conduct full audit of pastoral offering to 1st team + transition from academy

Oranges038 said:
Pampered bunch of sissies is all they are.

They should be made to clean the boots with their own toothbrush, sweep the dressing rooms, scrub the jockstraps, wash the kits, wash the cars, make the tea, cut the grass, unblock the jacks and clean the showers etc etc... all for 25 pounds a week a clip around the ear and boot up the hole if they are lucky. And they'll be glad of it.
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I actually do think it is wrong that they stopped them cleaning the senior pros boots and the like.
 
WPMUFC said:
Therapy with Fred
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:lol:
 
izec said:
That with Luke Shaw is totally believable. Probably to this day as well, would explain a lot.

At City and Pool, you imagine everything is in place and professional in and around football matters, so players only need to work and perform.

I have a feeling we leave the players all the freedom in the world, as nobody cared when Fergie was here as it worked and the man was all in one. The players need to be much more micromanaged and looked after, they just do whatever they want, on and off the pitch.
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A lot of the stuff is what the agents should be doing, imagine someone getting paid millions to arrange a move to another club for a client, then he’s gotta find his own digs etc.
 
Good. If we have to appoint a new head of this anyway, might as well get it fully up to scratch rather than just half-arse it.
 
Red_toad said:
A lot of the stuff is what the agents should be doing, imagine someone getting paid millions to arrange a move to another club for a client, then he’s gotta find his own digs etc.
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Why would an agent know more about a city than a club that’s based there? What about players that don’t have agents? What about the 18 year old who’s signed from Brighton’s youth team, who helps them?
 
first thing came to mind when reading this was Greenwood

the warning signs were there with this kid from earlier leaked videos and it might not have happened under Sir Alex's leadership. Still different age and all that.

I work in a school where Pastoral Care is an essential tool in helping kids learn and develop in a safe and supportive environment

I welcome this news... if we are serious about rebuild this kind of attention to players needs is essential
 
Smores said:
There's been plenty of stories over the years of what we do for players so i don't believe the above reddit fiction. Mata spoke a fair bit of how he was helping Cavani and showing him the area etc.

Organisations don't tend to rollback such procedures and the person leaving has been at the club a long time. It's unlikely the good care from Fergie's time disappeared.

I think we're rightly and finally just doing a top to bottom review of all departments. Ten Hag is seemingly a control freak so it wouldn't surprise me if he's demanded change across all areas of players day to day life.
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Not sure if it’s a good thing if the players are taking it upon themselves to help new players settle? Suggests a vacuum in the official set up for it? All that tidbit suggests is that Mata is a nice guy.
 
More good sounding things. Let's hope it is reflected in actions but certainly sounds positive.
 
Rory 7 said:
This is really interesting. The audit appears to be around all areas of player welfare but it did get me thinking...the world has changed so much since Fergie first took over. When you think back to then all our players were from generally the same part of the world, Britain, Ireland, Scandinavia at a push. Today we really do need to think seriously about player welfare in the context of different cultures, religions, backgrounds. It’s interesting. Would love to know how far ahead the other clubs are on this front or are going down a brand new rabbit hole.
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Our current squad are no more diverse, than what Sir Alex managed during his tenure at the club. Maybe it’s more of a reflection on young men these days? Who knows…
 
Red_toad said:
Our current squad are no more diverse, than what Sir Alex managed during his tenure at the club. Maybe it’s more of a reflection on young men these days? Who knows…
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It’s not.

Alex Ferguson was very very good at managing people and filled a large void that the club has seemingly left since he did. Beside, other clubs had the exact same issues we have now, then, however they saw it as somewhere to make marginal gains and acted accordingly by making the club more professional. We now are simply playing catch-up by making it an important part of the running of the club and not making the manager do it when they’re usually not suited to it.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I actually do think it is wrong that they stopped them cleaning the senior pros boots and the like.
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So do I. The old ways thought resepect and earning the right to play.

These guys just expect to get everything handed to them. Same in most walks of life now sadly.
 
Jeffchin said:
Saw this on reddit:

"Pastoral care and onboarding has been a big issue at the club, something that was barely looked at till Ole came in. From the day Fergie left to the day Ole came in, we were signing players and then just dropping them off in Chester. Players were pretty much left to sort it out themselves. Luke Shaw and Memphis were the two highlighted cases where Shaw just came up with a bunch of friends and hired his mate to be his chef.

Luke Shaw was still a kid when we signed him. He didn’t know anybody so hired 2 friends from down south to be his “driver” and “chef”. Of course, none of them knew how to cook so the three would eat takeaways and play FIFA every night.

Pogba lived in a hotel for quite a while, till he could sort out a house for himself.

Cavani had big problems when he arrived and wanted to go back to South America. Turns out he just has a protein filled diet and normally has these South American style meats that you wouldn’t find in a sainsburys. Took 6 months and the player threatening to leave for somebody to point out a butchers that he could get the things he wanted from.

Meanwhile over the road, when they sign a player, they’ve got houses ready to move into with other players nearby. Here’s your driver to make sure you get to training. Here’s a chef to get your dieting right. Heres a language tutor, they’re currently teaching English to these players. Here’s 3 schools for your kids, other players kids go there too. What does your wife like? Here’s some things to keep her busy. Here’s a phone with a UK SIM card, a selection of cars for you to take. Everything is thought of and done so that a player can focus entirely on their football.

Onboarding is a hugely overlooked part of modern football. The clubs are spending 10s of millions on players but not going the extra mile to ensure their investment is looked after so they can get the most out of it"
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How is it possible we let City get so far ahead of us in every single department?
 
We are a club stuck in last decade.

SAF's success masked deficiencies in other areas of the club.
 
Well we cant offer Champions League or a settled dressing room might as well offer a few acres of prime grazing land in Chat Moss. Maybe having a mare can be changed to something different
 
Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it's a better cow than the one you've got in your own field. It’s a fact. Right? And it never really works out that way.
 
We'll end up with a flock of priests, imagine Pastor Jessie lingard and father Marcus Rashford born again.
 
PoTMS said:
Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it's a better cow than the one you've got in your own field. It’s a fact. Right? And it never really works out that way.
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Sounds like something Mourinho would say after a 2-2 draw against Huddersfield
 
I'm supposed to believe that an adult millionaire in his 30s couldn't find a proper way to prepare his favorite meals for 6 months till someone connected him with a butcher? and that's on the club?

Shaw also eating takeaways says more about him than the club, there are other things to order other than junk food.

I call bullshit on those stories, but of course it's good if the club is doing more to take care of the players.
 
Orange Tree said:
We are a club stuck in last decade.

SAF's success masked deficiencies in other areas of the club.
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That was pretty obvious at the time when you looked at our squad and the gaping holes in it. Astounding that the owners thought that they could replace Fergie and parachute a new manager into such a fragile and ageing system.

Fergie had to bring Scholes out of retirement because we had such a shit midfield. Giggs was still be relied on into his late 30s. RvP bought us the last PL title because he was so damn good that season. Pulling goals out of nothing chances time and time again.

Fergie was an expert in extracting every last drop out of the squad he had. He hadn't had the best squad in the league for years by the time he retired.
 
Someone said:
I'm supposed to believe that an adult millionaire in his 30s couldn't find a proper way to prepare his favorite meals for 6 months till someone connected him with a butcher? and that's on the club?

Shaw also eating takeaways says more about him than the club, there are other things to order other than junk food.

I call bullshit on those stories, but of course it's good if the club is doing more to take care of the players.
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It doesn't matter what you think though does it. I couldn't believe that people didn't know how to cook anything when they went to Uni but there were plenty that couldn't. There is absolutely zero excuse not to know how to do pretty much any simple skill with the internet and youtube these days and yet we still let people get away with the excuse that they don't know how to do something. I think it is mad but that doesn't change the fact its the reality of the situation.

If Cavani didn't bother to make the effort then it doesn't matter than a 10 year old could probably have sorted out his issue. The issue was there and as a club paying him hundreds of thousands a week we should be aware that these things are important. The reason is almost completely irrelevant as the outcome is all we should care about.

If there is one thing I am pretty sure about its that there are plenty of very wealthy young people who are fecking idiots and have a mental age that a 10 year old wouldn't brag about. When you are wealthy you don't need to be smart, attractive or competent in most areas of your life as long as you are good at whatever made you rich. The club should know this and purely from an asset maximisation and protection point of view, deal with it.
 
This is good news, it means someone is leaving no stone unturned when it comes to bringing the squad up to scratch
 
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