Do keep up that was a temporary lock down thing with no crowds.
That has been blocked again in the UK this season
The 3pm U.K. Blackout
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Do keep up that was a temporary lock down thing with no crowds.
That has been blocked again in the UK this season
I think this is a real problem, regardless of what anyones view is on the blackout. That you fork out for Sky Sports, BT Sports, Amazon Prime, and in your case MUTV, and you still can't watch every game. It's a massive financial outlay for a package that is incomplete.
It's even worse if you support a non-top 6 club. The top 6 are on TV seemingly every 4 out of 5 matchdays, roughly. United fans still have it better than most in regards to TV coverage. If you're a Southampton supporter, for the same price you'll get to see your team on TV maybe once a month. It's just terrible value.
On the blackout, Germany has a similarly excellent football pyramid, its top 4 tiers have more clubs in it than England's, yet every Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 fixture is televised and their lower leagues are still well attended. What are Germany doing differently? The cost of attending, perhaps? It looks like they do stagger kickoffs somewhat between BL, BL2 and 3Liga, but there is overlap. I don't know if that helps the attendance in the lower leagues, but it's potentially something for English football to consider. If German football can get it right for both the match going fans and viewers at home, then there's no reason why England can't.
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I’m very surprised the PL hasn’t considered a kind of PL+ streaming app (maybe they have, who knows) surely a subscription based streaming app is the way forward could even charge I don’t know £20-£30 for basically all games to choose from or maybe a PL+ Lite option where you pay £8-£15 and you just get your chosen teams games all season. Could maybe fill it with sporting documentaries, exclusive behind the scenes, PL years etc to fill it out over a year to have people logging in daily.
if it hasn’t already been thought of or even discussed I’d be surprised especially in today’s day and age of Netflix, YouTube, Prime, Disney+ etc where you can tailor your viewing experience unlike scheduled broadcast television.
if it hasn’t already been thought of or even discussed I’d be surprised especially in today’s day and age of Netflix, YouTube, Prime, Disney+ etc where you can tailor your viewing experience unlike scheduled broadcast television.
Do keep up that was a temporary lock down thing with no crowds.
That has been blocked again in the UK this season
Again I'll repeat I watched the Oldham and Barrow game on there today, so please take you condescending tone elsewhere
The analogy wasn't great but the point is that it is about choice. I don't disagree with you about football not being a business. I see United as central to who I am, part of my family and I am part of a community of fans with whom I share a lot.
But that is my community. If I can't watch us play I'm not going to go to matches of other clubs with whom I don't have a relationship. You can't fabricate or force community.
Ultimately if their fans are that fickle that they wouldn't go to a match when the premier league is on then you would have to question how genuine their support is or how important that club was to them and their community.
This.
Take it from somebody that works at that level. Gate receipts are the main source of income. Taking that away potentially by television the Premier league would almost certainly kill many clubs
You'll find that's a rare exception due to it being an international game weekend.
Outside of 3 or so of those a season, you can't use ifollow in the UK for Saturday 3pms, outside of using a vpn.
That's exactly right. I've no interest in looking for streams or watching football on a small screen. If it's not on Sky, we don't watch it.
The "hardcore" support of smaller clubs will still go, irrespective of what games are on tv. It's those floating voters, the casuals that would likely be lost.
And it might not be every week, but it'd definitely have an impact.
And football watching is a habit. When broken, people can be lost.
It is clearly insane. No one is stopping you watching shit on a stick football if you want, so why should you stop people from watching high-quality football when they want?!
I'd be stunned if it hasn't been floated. The PL knows how to market its brand and make money, that's for sure. Perhaps taking the broadcaster out of the equation and selling the product direct to the consumer is projected to make less money. Afterall, the last TV deal was 5bn or something silly. For it to work, it would likely have to be a global package, so it would take out hundreds of broadcasters worldwide. I think that would be difficult to unpick. Also, isn't it UK law that the Premier League can't be monopolised by one broadcaster, hence the split between Sky and BT? I don't know how that would work if there is no broadcaster.
It'll probably happen eventually, but I predict it's many years away. The big 4 North American sports already have this sort of platform, they were lightyears ahead of the game.
Exactly.
My lot took 76 fans from South Dorset to Grimsby away last week. We left at 5:30am. And got back around 1:30am. The early game was man City v arsenal, the late game was Chelsea v Liverpool.
There was 5000 inside Blundell Park, I would be willing to bet of either or both of those prem games were televised at 3pm. That gate would likely have been halved.
Theres an even simpler solution. No EPL game is played between the hours of 3pm and 5pm on a Saturday as it’s reserved for grass roots kickoffs.
I don’t think it would make a blind bit of difference
I’d rather watch us at old Trafford than at home
Yep definitely.
I think quite a few posters can't see this, because they have no knowledge of lower league clubs and their struggles.
Take my lot Wycombe. We have all the London lot, Reading and Watford, all within 30miles. No doubt we get plenty of floaters coming in from some of that crowd.
3pm game on tv legtimately?No chance.
The stream argument is irrelevant, as many don't or won't do it. But open it up to proper tv, and why wouldn't they!
I don’t know why shit football should take precedence over EPL. If I was in England, I would just stream those matches. And once you start streaming, you might continue streaming the other matches too.
If you enjoy the experience of watching two shitty teams play awful football, I do not think anyone should stop you from doing so, but stopping the others from watching their teams just in case they then might decide to go watch two shitty teams play awful football is kinda weird and unique.
I think most football fans that attend games prefer 3 o’clock kick offs.
How is it farcical when you have testimony of people doing just that in this thread? Ultimately nobody is being deprived of the pleasure you’re describing. Barring during this pandemic people in the U.K. have never been able to partake in the pleasure of watching their team live on tv every week. It’s akin to me being deprived the pleasure of living a millionaires lifestyle.
They dont take precedence, neither can be televised at 3pm on a Saturday.
Absolutely agree. It’s shocking what some are willing to pay but to many it’s the one thing they really look forward to during the week and they are limiting that with this needless blackout.
Like the idea of what you described in the German leagues. Others have mentioned that perhaps these 3pm kickoffs could be auctioned off separately and the money it generates be spread down the football pyramid as a way of more than making up for the blackout being removed.
It can’t go on, I mean when you think about it it’s incredible it’s still in place in 2021.
I gave Sky and BT the chop last year been using IPTV get ALL the games £30 a year if the stream buffers just jump to another channel.
Haven't looked back.
Haven't looked back.
Just because we haven't had the possibility of watching the matches before doesn't mean it is right. Or that it shouldn't be subject to change.
If you can watch the match from outside the UK but not inside you are by definition of the word depriving people of watching the match. It may not be as bad as depriving them of food and water granted but I never argued that it was.
By choosing to make something available to people outside the UK, not available to those inside it is depriving them. And for me, watching that match would be a pleasure.
UK viewers of the Premier league pay more to see less of their own national league.
They can also go to games so it's swings and roundabouts.
Interestingly no foreign football can be shown during the blackout either.
If the other countries in the world don’t have a blackout to protect the lower leagues then we don’t need one.
Yea, they're limited on that front too, plus it's not cheap. I go to games but I wouldn't give sky or any other mafia TV broadcaster a single penny.
It's quicker to get a flight from most major cities on the mainland to Manchester airport than it is for me to get up to Old Trafford from the south west of England.
I haven't been to OT since LvG, but I went to United games once every couple of months or so when I lived in NE Scotland and it was a 16 hour round trip, about £120 train fare, and however much I could get a travelodge for, plus the cost of a ticket.
I can get to London in about 3 hours, but zero chance of getting away tickets.
Just living on the same mass of land doesn't mean it's accessible.
Yeah that’s the attitude. Put thousands upon thousands of people out of work because some people can’t be arsed to stream a game of football (let alone just simply buy tickets and go to the fecking game).
The same people who cry that Sky are killing football the rest of the time. It’s pathetic.
You can see why there is a European Super League on the table, judging by some of the comments and views in this thread.
Football is not a TV show. If you supported Southampton (or frankly the vast majority of clubs at any level in the country outside of United/Liverpool/Arsenal/Leeds) then you wouldn’t have any issues getting tickets for home or away games so generally speaking you’re actually much better off given you can just go to the game.
I was thinking similar. It is bonkers hearing fans in here wanting to bury the lower leagues only four months after they derided the owners of the big 6 for nearly doing the same
All because they want to see Ronaldo in a United kit for 301st time... seriously bratty
The money involved should be used to filter down to the lower league clubs who can then lower ticket prices and advertise more to get people in.
I want people to go to matches but I don’t want to be punished just because I don’t support a lower league team.
It’s not a case of being lazy, I’ll stream every United match if I have no way of watching it legally (if I can afford to go and can get a ticket I’ll go) but it’s a stupid rule and I don’t think the proposed effect removing the ban would have would actually do much, lower league clubs would be fine.
Yep which would be great for clubs in the Championship-League Two but a death sentence for clubs outside the football league because the FA seems to believe football stops at League 2.
I’ve literally given multiple reasons why it would massively impact clubs over time, used real world examples & so have others. I realise people are going to have their United blinkers on but it’s an essential rule and it would be a dark day if it ever got lifted.
But not everyone lives close to the team they grew up supporting. I don't anymore, and haven't done since 2008. People need to relocate for various reasons. As I said above, I went to United games when it was a 16 hour round trip from the north east of Scotland, and it cost more than I could afford. I now live on the opposite end of the country and I just can't do that anymore.
Why does televising every game in the top 2 divisions work in Germany, but would be a death sentence for everyone beneath the Premier League in England? At a glance, their football pyramid appears to be as extensive as the English pyramid, lower leagues seem to be well attended. Why can't it work here? There has to be a way to give the best for both match going fans and the TV viewership, and I don't think we currently are, comparative to other countries and even other sports.
Then watch on TV or find a stream. It’s not complicated.
Who’s said its a death sentence for clubs outside of the Premier League? That certainly isn’t what I’ve said in my previous post if you have misunderstood. Read back through this thread & see a comparison of their 5th tier attendances against our 5th tier gates, the difference is ridiculous.
I also love how people appear to completely give no fecks about the thousands that would be out of work when currently full time non-league clubs are able to sustain full-time football and have to revert to playing part-time.
I was thinking similar. It is bonkers hearing fans in here wanting to bury the lower leagues only four months after they derided the owners of the big 6 for nearly doing the same
All because they want to see Ronaldo in a United kit for 301st time... seriously bratty
Couldn't agree more.
Fans of the product "Premier League" rather than fans of football, it seems.
Nobody goes anyway.
In Germany attendance numbers are far lower for games in the lower leagues.
That change should be for the benefit of the game as a whole. I don’t think it would be. As much as I would benefit from it. I wouldn’t be on the streets fighting the change. I just don’t support it.