And how many managers we sacked as soon as they couldn't finish top 4 or get to CL?
Why should Ole be privileged, despite having worse CV or track record compared to any of Moyes, LvG and Jose?
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And how many managers we sacked as soon as they couldn't finish top 4 or get to CL?
Why should Ole be privileged, despite having worse CV or track record compared to any of Moyes, LvG and Jose?
Of course carry on little child. You B.S does not wash with me. Like your tantrums about £200 million pounds - tiresome and repetitive.
They don't see how utterly daft their logic is.Ole is the worst manager in the EPL.
Any manager in the EPL will improve us. So that's 18 managers of rival teams who would do a better job.
Though we shouldn't just pick "any" manager, though, because Ole is setting the bar exremely low (I doubt even a Championship side would take him as their manager).
Poch is the popular choice, but to be honest, the board could simply hire 1-2 recruiters and ask them to create a short list and run through CVs of suitable managers. If I was appointed into this role, it wouldn't take me long to have a shortlist of 10 candidates, who I would present to the MUFC board. I'll do plenty of research into their backgrounds, playing styles, budgets, experience of countries/leagues, languages spoken, trophy counts, etc. The board can then reduce my shortlist to 5, say. I would then start contacting these managers to find out if they are interested and setting up informal interviews, which Woodward can have with them.
It really does not take a genius to work these things out.
The problem is that our club is ran poorly (with little to no planning), so to do something like this may seem like rocket science.
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My jury is still out on Ole. I don't understand how people can be so certain in their views that he's not up to it. Maybe in time that will prove to be the case but we are in the process of tearing up the squad and starting again with lots of very young players. Were people expecting some sort of title challenge?
Would be interesting to see what everyone would've voted on a SAF in/out poll after his first 14 months. Obviously I'm not comparing the 2 and SAF had achieved much more before getting the job but it's a similar scenario in terms of rebuilding the squad with young players. That will always take time.
Would be interesting to see what everyone would've voted on a SAF in/out poll after his first 14 months. Obviously I'm not comparing the 2 and SAF had achieved much more before getting the job but it's a similar scenario in terms of rebuilding the squad with young players. That will always take time.
It's almost as if there is a running joke and I'm not in on it.
We are evidently getting worse, despite spending money, yet they claim we are getting better.
When I show them our league positions (past and present), they come out with some drivel that usually implies that league position is irrelevant and that winning games is not important.
It's like they are living in a twilight zone, where the lower you are in the league, the better.
There is no planning, mate.
We are reactive. I wrote a long post of examples on this forum a few days ago, demonstrating that we do not plan - we react.
There is absolutely zero planning.
When you spend £80M on Maguire (who is not a teenager but a CB in his absolute prime) or £50M on Wan Bissaka (who is already one of the best RBs in the league), this represents significant investment and these players should give you instant results.
Had we bought a bunch of teenagers, then I'd agree with you, but we've bought players who can make instant impact and give instant results.
Maguire was brought in not for instant success 
He will be 27 in a month at the peak of his career.
We've heard it all in terms of excuses but this takes the top.
He will be 27 in a month at the peak of his career.We've heard it all in terms of excuses but this takes the top.
CB's prime is 27-30, Maguire will be in his prime next year. Wan Bissaka has played one season in his career so you have to expect some time to adapt playing for a big club.
We have seen signings that instant impact does not always happen.
But if want to ignore that our defence has improved this year then thats fine.
Thankfully all the 'fans' can do is vent on the internet with zero impact at the football club. They have even begun scraping the barrel and accusing match going fans of some kind of treason because they are supporting Ole.
Clearly, you do not want to know, so I am not even going to bother getting the stats
Woodward, the board, No?
There is a thread on this forum - only a few days old - with lots of replies.
Both Conte and Nagellsmann are VERY highly rated in that thread.
Conte does seem to get good results, fast.
So what you are saying is our defence has improved. If only Ole was backed with attacking talent he wanted too.... Everyman and his dog knew we needed at least one top class attacking midfielder and a striker not just a squad winger.
Our inability to defend set-plays is the thing that obviously stands out for me. Having a quick look at things, i think there's only three teams in the whole league who has conceded less goal than us (Liverpool, Leicester and Sheffield United), so from that perspective we're doing fine.
But the last time i checked, we were level with some other team for conceding the most goals from set-plays. It's obviously a massive problem and one that doesn't seem to be getting rectified.
But the last time i checked, we were level with some other team for conceding the most goals from set-plays. It's obviously a massive problem and one that doesn't seem to be getting rectified.
Till we replace De Gea who stays on his line like a Lemon we won't.
But are the Ole in fans also posting in it?
It's not just the stats though is it? We seem to be able to withstand pressure better this season. Defending also comes from the whole team, not just the defenders. We need better protection for our CB's.
I agree with that point, there is no way we should be this poor at set pieces. How we are this bad is beyond me.
That's definitely an issue with De Gea. It's not just limited to set-plays, either. His reticence to come off his line in open play is also an issue. Many times he could've come out and alleviated the situation with a simple punt up field or out of play, but he often leaves it to the defenders to sort out. It has never been a strong point to his game, and he seemingly hasn't worked on it either.
Although, our problems at set-plays are not only down to him. It's a collective issue.
Here's one.
None of our players seem to work on their weak points. Ever. Pick any current player and a weakness and fans have been talking about it for a long time. It strengthens my belief that our coaching is shockingly poor. If they ARE trying and the player isn't absorbing, drop him.
I’ve talked about our coaching before on this forum. For all of the Ole in or Ole out, we need to seriously look at the coaching staff. Carrick and McKenna have been here under other managerial regimes, and our football has not progressed in any of them. We have one-off games where we perform “tactical masterclasses” (as that’s the phrase people like to use when an underdog beats the favourites), but the football, for the most part, is still directionless.
I just don’t see why they’re still around, tbh. People can harp on all day about how McKenna is supposedly well respected and highly thought of, but he hasn’t fecking shown it here. Ditto for Carrick.
I read something last week that the players feel McKenna's training sessions are too easy and simple.
He also seems to have Ole's ear, the annoying thing is even in game management, we see nothing from Ole to change patterns during a game.
If we are drawing or losing, it is all predictable, Lingard on for Perreira. Greenwood on the right for James on the 80th minute.
How do you expect a player to learn when you bring them on whenever we are losing or looking for a goal?
Because when we are 1-0 we play conservative football.
If this club is to progress, if/when Ole goes the LOT of them go. We will not go anywhere continuing to give jobs to underqualified boys just because they have history with the club. Rip up the script and modernise the lot.
Ok, i'd love to read your shortlist of 10 available managers you think could do better than Ole...
Yeah i think i read a similar thing. What's frustrating is that they seem to be getting a free pass. All the heat is on the manager (whether it's Ole, or Jose, or whoever), and that's fair enough to a certain extent 'cause a manager will always take the brunt of it but, as i said, our football is the same: It has no cohesion, no direction, no pattern. Whether you think Ole is the man or not (i don't think he is, personally), for me this needs some serious investigating. This season is not an anomaly. It's a pattern that we've seen for a couple of seasons, under the same coaching staff.
I agree, Rashford finally seems to have improved this season, but the likes of Martial, Pogba, Lingard, DDG, Shaw have not improved like you would expect them to.
Naaglesman
Rose
Poch
Rodgers
Wilder
Favre
Ten Haag
Howe
Tuchel
Big feckin Sam
I 2nd this.
He said available. Are you suggesting all we need to do is wag our little finger and the likes of Tuchel and Rodgers would immedaitely come running?
Every single one is SPOT ON pal. Big Sam would be the pits but equally defensive as underdog Ole and would at least solidify us defensively..... he's made numerous relegation fodder into defensive juggernauts.
Klopp and Pep would never be available to us for obvious reasons but as for the rest, throw enough money their way and make them the right promises and it would be amazing the amount of doors that could open.
I included big Sam because as bad as he is he's still better than Ole.
To be fair Jesus Christ himself couldnt get a turn out of Lingard or Shaw and Pobga has been injured all season
Not so fussed with him 'in play' as we want defenders good enough to play their way out of trouble and only put the ball out as a last resort but a bit more talking from him definitely would help, a simple "time you've got this" or "GET RID FFS" would do.
When i say in play, i mean coming out as a sweeper (à la Ederson). He needs to add that to his game. It's not about the defence being able to play their way out of trouble or not, it's about reading the game and helping out. A long ball over the top from the opposition team that has the potential to cause chaos, could be easily remedied if he just read the game better and came out and cleared the danger.
It's something that he simply has to work on.
Yes for allowing an incompetent manager to stay on the job
There's a few things he has to work on to be considered one of the all time greats, but that's for another time, and another thread.
He's not even had a full season how is he supposed to reach any goals? Pathetic.
He has been in the job for more than a year and had 2 transfer windows.
His record absolutely is pathetic. While people like you constantly lower the bar, lie, exaggerate, and make endless excuses for him.
Show where I have done any of that nonsense.