The “Ole In” Brigade

el3mel said:
And we failed to sign a replacement through out the window, why didn't he cancel the deal and keep him ? The player was under contract and he would have played.

But the reality was Ole wasn't really that worried about him going even after we failed to sign a replacement through the summer he still let him go, because he viewed him as a bench option at best anyway. We were never in the market for any top striker. We just wanted another bench option and when we didn't get him it wasn't a big deal and we let Lukaku go anyway even when he knew he wouldn't have more options for the season.

Anyway why shouldn't I believe Ole when he says he's fully backed and he has the final say and believes some posters on internet that thinks otherwise ? If he's lying then he's a yes man covering for Woodward and the Glazers, and that actually deserves far more criticism than what we're doing currently.
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Very black and white opinion there fella.

Would having Lukaku have made any difference? Last I checked he scored a paltry amount and less than Rashford.
Other than having the donkey to Chuck in now we have injuries, he needed to go, we were moving away from big lump strikers and rightly so.

Again, You choose to believe what you want but not even a teenager on football manager chooses to sell his no 1 striker and is happy to not replace him.

I’m certain he was told a replacement would be secured.
That’s far more likely along with Ole towing the company line than your version where Ole is just a bumbling idiot that voluntarily wanted to put pressure on himself in one of the hardest jobs in world football right now.

There are moving parts and every transfer is different, once Lukaku had agreed the terms to a move we could have been half way through signing a replacement and it fell through, ultimately the board could have made the decision to cut their losses on Lukaku whilst we had a buyer offering decent money for him.
 
joso157 said:
a matter of weeks ago, we tore city apart away from home, in what was probably the best post fergie display of football we’ve had. So don’t tell me Ole isn’t capable of getting a tune out of this squad.
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Except we didn't. If anything, this is an emotional comment not based on what actually happened on the pitch.
 
el3mel said:
But the reality was Ole wasn't really that worried about him going even after we failed to sign a replacement through the summer he still let him go, because he viewed him as a bench option at best anyway. We were never in the market for any top striker. We just wanted another bench option and when we didn't get him it wasn't a big deal and we let Lukaku go anyway even when he knew he wouldn't have more options for the season.
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Aye that's the crux of it. Ole was only really interested in Mandzukic from all accounts to be on the bench and mentor, because he was otherwise happy with his options and had already made clear Lukaku was not in his plans. Dembele was mentioned but not anyone's priority.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
No shit, Ole came in, made it clear he was second or third choice, said it pretty to the World and then Lukaku actually helped him get the job full time.

Lukaku was poorly managed by Ole, no wonder he was doing everything to secure an exit to a top manager who actually like him.
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Hah if you want to choose to remember it that way.

Seemed clear that we were heading in a different direction.

Regardless of how he left I’m confident Ole would have been assured of a replacement.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Regardless of how he left I’m confident Ole would have been assured of a replacement.
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He left right near the end of the window, we had no replacement lined up and only Mandzukic was every really considered. Ole was convinced Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Lingard and Andreas would be enough.

But now we're just gonna ignore all that and re-write history to excuse the shit transfer window Ole had an how he left himself with a threadbare squad?
 
Mainoldo said:
I’m sick of you.

We haven’t played an ounce of good football all season and he’s the worst manager we have ever had. But he’s doing fine. Yes probably by his own personal standards.
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You write well for a one year old as you clearly cannot be any older if you think Ole is the worst manager we have ever had
 
RUCK4444 said:
Very black and white opinion there fella.

Would having Lukaku have made any difference? Last I checked he scored a paltry amount and less than Rashford.
Other than having the donkey to Chuck in now we have injuries, he needed to go, we were moving away from big lump strikers and rightly so.

Again, You choose to believe what you want but not even a teenager on football manager chooses to sell his no 1 striker and is happy to not replace him.

I’m certain he was told a replacement would be secured.
That’s far more likely along with Ole towing the company line than your version where Ole is just a bumbling idiot that voluntarily wanted to put pressure on himself in one of the hardest jobs in world football right now.

There are moving parts and every transfer is different, once Lukaku had agreed the terms to a move we could have been half way through signing a replacement and it fell through, ultimately the board could have made the decision to cut their losses on Lukaku whilst we had a buyer offering decent money for him.
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Having Lukaku for one more season till we get a replacement next summer next summer is of course far better than having absolutely no one.

And anyway this is a contradictory point. You're blaming Woodward for not securing replacement for Lukaku after selling him then saying Lukaku wouldn't have made any difference anyway had he stayed. How is that ? Why did we need a replacement for Lukaku then if he's that useless and his presence doesn't make much difference ? Try to organize your points a little bit I suggest.

And Ole might be that naive. How do you know ? Have you set down with him and talked together about his opinions re the squad ? Maybe, yeah maybe he thought we'll be totally fine with Greenwood coming up from the academy to take Lukaku's spot. Did we target any top strikers in summer ? No we didn't. Only one was Mandzukic, a 34 years old who wouldn't have been anything more than a bench option, and the link didn't last 1 week and we didn't try to sign anyone else. Everything points to the fact Ole viewed Lukaku as a mere bench option and wasn't concerned about letting him go even if we didn't get a replacement, because at no point in summer did we show any urgency in any striker negotiation.

Just listen to the guy today saying Klopp got 4 years so he needs time. He's not believing he's under risk. He's totally delusional and believing that this is a job for multiple upcoming years and he's in no hurry to win at present, so saying he's wanting to put pressure on himself looks pointless to me. He doesn't look like he's under any pressure to lose his job whatever the current results. He believes he'll get 2 or 3 more years and it's a long life project.

At the end I have Ole's quotes to believe and he says he has a final say in every transfer and if he's lying then it's another story that's actually doesn't give him any sort of credit or excuse.
 
el3mel said:
Just listen to the guy today saying Klopp got 4 years so he needs time. He's not believing he's under risk. He's totally delusional and believing that this is a job for multiple upcoming years and he's in no hurry to win at present, so saying he's wanting to put pressure on himself looks pointless to me. He doesn't look like he's under any pressure to lose his job whatever the current results. He believes he'll get 2 or 3 more years and it's a long life project.
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He wouldn't be a very good leader if he acted like the majority of the man utd fans. Negative and childish imo. The amount of whining is incredible.
 
Møllemanden said:
He wouldn't be a very good leader if he acted like the majority of the man utd fans. Negative and childish imo. The amount of whining is incredible.
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Yeah weird why are people whining and moaning. The team is doing great, football is fun and results have been good this season. Wonder why they're moaning. Ole's at the wheel.
 
el3mel said:
Yeah weird why are people whining and moaning. The team is doing great, football is fun and results have been good this season. Wonder why they're moaning. Ole's at the wheel.
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Hard to argue against a statement like that. I hope you have a nice weekend.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
If you can't as a Manchester United fan moan at 9 wins from 24 games, well, you can never moan. "Childish" to expect a top club to actually maintain some kind of standard, my lord.
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You're allowed to moan or do whatever you want. But I am entitled to my opinion. It's gets boring and depressing watching all the "glass half empty" people in here.
 
Møllemanden said:
You're allowed to moan or do whatever you want. But I am entitled to my opinion. It's gets boring and depressing watching all the "glass half empty" people in here.
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The glass isn't half empty is it though?

We are actually shite, our glass has a few drops left in it. If you think this season represents a half full glass, we call that delusion, I'd compare you more to the Black Knight @Møllemanden rather than simply an optimist.

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Point number 1.

Ask yourself this, would Ole still be your manager if he wasn’t a fondly thought of ex player?

He absolutely wouldn’t be.

Ole is the perfect coach for Woodward.

Well thought of enough to be given some leeway, not strong enough to challenge what’s going on behind the scenes and not experienced enough for expectations to be too high.

So Woodward can get away with running a shit show off the pitch, whilst the fans are split over whose fault the club’s failings are.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
We are actually shite, our glass has a few drops left in it. If you think this season represents a half full glass, we call that delusion.
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I don't. The mentality of the fans is "Glass half empty". It's negative and trivial in here. The season is not over yet. And yes, it has been far from good enough. But man, it's f*cking depressing in here. It wasn't always like that.
 
Agree. Our season would be different if Pogba was fit for the first half of the season. Then McT is injured and now Rashford. It just keeps piling on. Ole is against all odds.
 
Tel074 said:
Moyes was way worse than Ole .. And the football was worse under LVG .. I was near suicidal after every home game for 2 seasons
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You need to put your Ole glasses away. We are as shit as ever under Ole and point wise even worse. He is a real shit manager and he continues to put us in deep shit. Even his interviews are terrible nowadays. He should have been fired a long time ago but as long as the excuses stay as creative, he might stay
 
Escobar said:
You need to put your Ole glasses away. We are as shit as ever under Ole and point wise even worse. He is a real shit manager and he continues to put us in deep shit. Even his interviews are terrible nowadays. He should have been fired a long time ago but as long as the excuses stay as creative, he might stay
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It's the opinion of a season ticket holder I attend matches and I know the mood around the place .. The time under Moyes was bloody shocking he probably had 11 better players than Ole does now
 
Tel074 said:
It's the opinion of a season ticket holder I attend matches and I know the mood around the place .. The time under Moyes was bloody shocking he probably had 11 better players than Ole does now
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I'm a season ticket holder. My Dad is platinum, never misses a game the nutter, hasn't been since Everton he's so gutted by it all and the inaction of the board to do anything about this failing manager and club.

We still won more than half of our games under Moyes.
 
Tel074 said:
It's the opinion of a season ticket holder I attend matches and I know the mood around the place .. The time under Moyes was bloody shocking he probably had 11 better players than Ole does now
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Not defending Moyes but that squad needed as much rebuild as the current one. Rio, Vidic, Evra and Giggs were past it. All of them left/retired after that season and those who left did nothing of note in their last 1 or 2 years remaining in football bar Evra. Scholes had retired after winning the league. Carrick was getting old and RVP spent the majority of the season injured. We probably had only Rooney and De Gea playing at high level this season. It was a squad that had one final push by Fergie to win the league and that was it for them, it was the end of their generation. LVG sold the majority of this squad in his reign here.

Moyes was acting like he had signed 6 years contract and he would have time to rebuild it but got the sack and I doubt anyone thought it would have been a good idea to give him more time or that he was capable of this rebuilding project so I don't get the notion Ole should now.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Every single statistic says that is not even remotely the case. You like Ole, that's the only difference.

I know lots of United fans almost suicidal now, every bloody week.
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I don't like Ole I don't think he should be managing us at all but I'm not a idiot I attend games I can see with my eyes what is worse . The team Moyes had where the Champions and he ruined them in 6 months .
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Every single statistic says that is not even remotely the case. You like Ole, that's the only difference.

I know lots of United fans almost suicidal now, every bloody week.
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The last season of LVGs tenure was far worse than anything we've seen this season. People have very short or selective memories. We lost 4 on the bounce to Wolfsburg, Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke, and that was straight after 2 draws v Leicester and West Ham. Martial was playing up front in all those games interestingly enough. It's almost like we still actually need better, or at least uninjured players, to play well.
 
I've become agnostic on the whole thing. Changing managers isn't going to resolve anything. There are too many injuries to key players. The squad needs replacing. The ownership, that also need replacing, won't do what needs to be done.

Every manager possible would have been facing Wednesday night with the same problems as Ole, and I'm not convinced any of them would have done any better.

All that said, we're still sitting 5th in the league on goal differential, still in both domestic cups, and into the EL knockout stages. For all of the hypothesizing as to how things could have gone worse (but didn't) and how things could go wrong (but haven't yet), you cannot take any of that away from him.

Is Ole the right guy for the job? Probably not.

Could the right guy, whoever he may be, get the job done given all the other things we know about the club right now? Probably not.

At least you aren't diddling over whether to ditch your #1-draft-pick quarterback who just became the founding member of the 30/30 club (30 touchdowns and 30 interceptions).
 
el3mel said:
Yeah weird why are people whining and moaning. The team is doing great, football is fun and results have been good this season. Wonder why they're moaning. Ole's at the wheel.
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What did you expect, really? We have had 3 managers that have made a combination of bad and short term signings. The squad was in a mess, it was incredible. Now we finally have a manager that is tearing it a part and trying to build something new by giving young players a chance and buying young and good players (and he could have had better support than Ed and the owners). It was always going to get worse before it start improving.

Why the hell would we hire a manager to rebuild the team and sack him before he gets a chance to build it? I understand expectations at the club, but he did get the job when the club was at a real low point. The nature of the modern game and the impatience with managers is unreal. That being said, I would expect Ole to make the signing needed for us the next two windows (this one included) to take a huge step forward next season, only then should we judge him and talk about changing OUR manager.
 
Shamana said:
Mourinho spent nearly 500 mil on transfers. How did those work out? He wanted an unlimited budget despite squandering our money.
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Not really much point in raking this up again, but Jose had just finished second, and then wanted a CB to help us kick on, he was refused one, and so at that point didn't fancy it with a squad he knew that couldn't compete, things got nasty, everyone blamed him, and Woodward got away unscathed again.

Now look at us, I hated Jose, but he was clearly right.
 
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