I admire your insightful, highly eloquent response.
The “Ole In” Brigade
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We would be a top team if it wasn't for those pesky points.
Slight exaggeration but more commonly Solskjaer is the worst manager of the lot since SAF retired. If Ole cannot galvanise this team to be consistent the "exaggeration" of him being the worst in 3 decades will transition into an undeniable reality.
There is a small improvement in transfer signings at least, and maybe in how the club is looking to rebuild out of a massive mess.
Results are better than performances for me, even so. January looks very tough.
The out people do make some reasonable points, but you have to search quite hard to find them. It's like you expect us to be tearing up the CL with this squad.
I want to see some signings, and soon.
Changing Manager again now won't do anything.
Results are better than performances for me, even so. January looks very tough.
The out people do make some reasonable points, but you have to search quite hard to find them. It's like you expect us to be tearing up the CL with this squad.
I want to see some signings, and soon.
Changing Manager again now won't do anything.
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Ole's post-game comments are maddening for many fans. That is understandable, but I don't buy that he's equally "nice" to the players behind the closed doors. He is clearly the kind of manager that avoids creating public drama and prefers to deal with things privately. That may not be everybody's cup of tea, but I would take that over weekly tantrums Mourinho was having.
He’s crap & everyone supporting him still deserves the crap season we’re having. You’re being naive & delusional supporting a terrible manager & we’re going backwards.
So the Ole in crowd do not compare points and league placement to previous managers when it suits them?
I still don't understand how people can write with any considerations were we have been and where we are. Just sack him and we will be fine is answer from some. We would win everything without Ole. Tommorow. We who still are (Ole in) understand that results will go up and down during season looking at our squad and despite that we still have a chance on top 4. We are still in cups. So it is not at all this darkness as some of you want to make it.
I don't think Ole is worse than Moyes in anything. So that leaves only two managers. LvG is obviously very well-respected manager, but he was a horrible fit for us and we were going nowhere. With Ole there's at least slight chance for improvement. If Woodward buys him decent midfield soon enough and Ole starts consistently winning, all of those Ole Out people will evaporate in thin air.
Willian , Jorginho , Kovacic , Loftus Cheek , Hudson Adoi , Kante , Alonso , Emerson all players off the top of my head who would start for United . You can butter it up all you want the bottom line is Chelsea's squad is way better than ours ..
Kante being played out of position and Jorginho being poor under Sarri has absolutely nothing to do with the fact they would all walk into this current United side .
I know, right?
Football, man - unpredictable. (Your sarcasm is duly appreciated).Not happening lad.
You can't just make other excuses because your original point was wrong. Regardless of who was fit and who was playing well, our results have been poor throughout. Besides, if Pogba was playing then Fred wouldn't have even gotten games and wouldn't have improved.
Ultimately Ole has completely underperformed results wise regardless of what players are available at what stage. For most games we've lost or drawn this season, we've still had the better first 11 on the pitch.
People care about the past work experience, that is how people get hired. Both Moyes and LVG were hired based on their resumes. How old are you 12? Its Ole who got the job without any merit.
If you want to speak about what they did at Utd, then here it is. Utd finished 7th in Moyes's season. LVG finished 4th and 5th with us. And both had better win ratio that your beloved Ole. So Ole is not doing some miracle here by finishing 6th when the league is as shit as it is currently, and that's if he does finish around 6th. And stop with this young team nonsense, only youngster he's playing intermittently is Greenwood. Its you who needs to clear the garbage in your head that's causing this delusion.
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I know, right?
I havn't really seen much of that attacking football we were promised with Solskjær. We have goal difference of +7 after 21 games. Leicester has +27.
You've got it there, just because you choose not to acknowledge more eloquently formulated reponses (perhaps overly eloquent for you) it doesn't mean those are not true.
They are not better than us, definitely not "way better" than us, which is why we have kicked their ass repeatedly. But they are more balanced and they have suffered less from injuries. Kante is worth gold for them. If we had somebody like Kante, in-form, we'd be top 4 easy, now.
The sad part is - they will get better, because the only reason they have thin squad is due to the ban. As soon as ban is lifted their owner will buy Lampard players. And that is what makes a huge difference. Abramovich loves football, Glazers don't even know what it is exactly.
Too reasonable. Getting stuck into the team and believing we should never finish lower than 2nd is much more fun apparently.
Well, then - if we don't buy midfielders in January, our season is 100% fecked. I think that is one thing everybody (Ole In and Ole Out) can agree on that with the abysmal midfield we currently have, esp. with McT and Pogba both out but even if they were in - there's no way to make this team compete for anything.
We might end up panic buying one or two of those brothers that don't stand out in an awful Newcastle midfield but the result will be the same.
As I say I have every sympathy for Ole......he had no chance with the summer dealings ( lack thereof)
Rashford, Martial, Pogba, AWB, Maguire, Lindlelof, De Gea would all get into Chelsea's team just as likely. The credibility of such an argument is only viable on the basis of the circumstances at present. The fact that under Sarri no one looked at Chelsea's team being remotely strong but under Lampard opinions changed is decisive of managerial influences. Jorginho's time under Sarri was his debut season in the premier league so its importance is highly significant. RLC has had no consistent impact at Chelsea his standout season was with Palace. Kovacic is in the same boat. Alonso from my understanding has always been under relentless criticism from the fans for his performances.
Chelsea have more depth in a variety of positions but the quality of their squad is not night and day indifferent to our very own. What you see with Chelsea is amazing players because you seem fascinated by surnames, what I see is a manager in Lampard who has given them the platform to perform. They have an ideology, philosophy and a purpose to their play. That is the reason they have had a decent season thus far despite losing their best player of the last few years replacing him with a U21 by way of Pulisic, spending absolutely nothing due to the transfer ban.
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Sadly, you are probably right. I won't be shocked if they don't even buy anybody at all. Because fecking Woodward. Like you said - our problems are nothing new. We all knew we needed midfielders in the Summer, but they didn't do shite.
We should stop thinking of Pogba as our player. He's not played for us all season and may not play for a while. He's not relevant to us this season simply because we don't have him. De Gea has been absolute shite and is only surviving on past glory. There's no way Lampard would replace Kepa with De Gea. Also not sure if he'd have Lindelof. The rest - yes.
And we are 5th in the table. I think Ole deserves a lot of credit for the development of Fred, McTominay, Greenwood, and Perreira (he actually played pretty good for two matches). That's good coaching.
How do you know the bold to be true?
There's two facts that substantiate this statement the first is that Ole has admitted himself that he / the team are fundamentally underachieving.
Second is when the season started with absolutely NO absentees in three fixtures we W1 D1 L1. Anyone using injuries as an excuse for our bad performances either has amnesia or is too busy smoking it.
ive no idea but I don’t, it’s irrelevant. If we won the league with the lowest points ever no one would care. If we got relegated with highest points ever it would be irrelevant we’d still be relegated. We are 5th, still in hunt for 4th. After last night though, the latest injury news and high probability we won’t sign any new players in January even my blind optimism is fading.
5th is not too bad, but it's also because Spurs and Arsenal have been terrible as well. It's our worst point tally at this stage of the season in over 30 years. People might not think that is important, but it's a pretty good indicator about how we are performing.
Tbh I think when Mourinho finished 2nd with 82 points and klopp finished 2nd with 97 points last year it's provides quite a lot of insight into the performances and quality of our team and manager.
Better options would have been Williams for Shaw and Mason for James plus the tea lady for Jessie
Not a single manager in the world would have us higher in the Premier League table with these players. But will Ole bring us the titles and long term identity is still under question by many. We need to invest now to quality players that fit his game plan.
The issue with Ole is that even if he knew yesterday that he had to make a change because we were struggling in the first 30 minutes, he didn't do it because he is scared of getting on the bad side of the lingards, shaws or any other. He knows that the squad support is one of the main reasons of him having the job and keeping it,so he will always wait until the 60 minutes mark to make any changes just to keep things good within the squad.
What makes you think that no manager in the world could have us performing better than Solskjær?
My knives are already out for the next manager (whoever he is). If Ole is sacked before the season is out, it will send a message to me that the club can't be bothered with waiting anymore. In that case, I will stop bothering as well.
If we're going to be Real Madrid, we do it properly. Instant results or out. We can't afford to give the next manager another year or two to sort this shit out.
If we're going to be Real Madrid, we do it properly. Instant results or out. We can't afford to give the next manager another year or two to sort this shit out.
Because he wasn't playing at all when we had a fully fit team!
Again, trying to divert the point. I never argued that he was developing those players, did I? Just admit you were wrong.
Honestly don’t know. By their logic people could have said no one could have done better then Dalglish so no point hiring Klopp.
I don’t. There’s a million and one different variables your never comparing like for like. On that basis Klopps Liverpool team where better than the united team in 92, 99 etc etc. It’s irrelevant.
You don't give any manager anything. He earns the right to manage us the following season.
Absolutely. No title challenge, no job next season. Don't matter if your name is Pochettino or Allegri or Mourinho.
Do it like the masters do at the Bernabeu.
They clearly had better league form. There is no denying it. If City was racking up 100 points in 99 or 2008, we wouldn't have won the league either.
So a failed manager earns the right to basically unlimited time here because he used to play for us but a top-class manager has to deliver title challenges straight away or he should be sacked.
Do you people think before you type?
Haha. You should understand that coaching is done on the training ground. It looks like Ole and the coaches have been working with Fred and others and the improvement shows for some players. It's clear you can't give Ole credit for anything.