Im sorry but a guy who doesnt make changes at half time after that shite fest and then high fives abysmal players off the pitch before smiling in the post match interview shows that he has no clue with what he is doing. Worst manager we have had in the past 30 years
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For a player that had only two memorable acts, in his 2 years at United (the goal below and tackling of Sol Campbell), Djemba-djemba surely gets mentioned a lot on this forum
For a player that had only two memorable acts, in his 2 years at United (the goal below and tackling of Sol Campbell), Djemba-djemba surely gets mentioned a lot on this forum
Lingard would kill for his stats.
There is not a shred of a doubt that he should have made subs before the second goal, way before even the half-time, because we got lucky like 5 times there and it was obvious we were going to concede with the players we had on the field.
That said, the whole "worst manager we have had in the past 30 years" is still nonsensical exaggeration, because
- Well, for the most of the past 30 years we had the best manager in the history of football - SAF, so obviously anybody is worse than him
- Since then we've had:
- Moyes - clueless twat, who Ole is not worse than
- LvG - a soon-to-be-retired flop who was never going to build for long-term. So, no Ole is still not worse than him
- Mourinho - one of the most decorated coaches ever. Was never going to be our long-term solution and failed to deliver on short-term so while he is not worse than Ole, comparing him with Ole is like comparing apples with oranges.
We will need to go through at least 4-5 more managers before we can declare Ole "worst manager of the decade". And that will be a decade, stop trying to sneak-in "30 years" curveball
The stats are not kind to Ole when compared with Moyes or LVGThere is not a shred of a doubt that he should have made subs before the second goal, because we got lucky like 5 times there and it was obvious we were going to concede with the players we had on the field.
The whole "worst manager we have had in the past 30 years" is still nonsensical exaggeration, because
- Well, for the most of the past 30 years we had the best manager in the history of football - SAF, so obviously anybody is worse than him
- Since then we've had:
- Moyes - clueless twat, who Ole is not worse than
- LvG - a soon-to-be-retired flop who was never going to build for long-term. So, no Ole is still not worse than him
- Mourinho - one of the most decorated coaches ever. Was never going to be our long-term solution and failed to deliver on short-term so while he is not worse than Ole, comparing him with Ole is like comparing apples with oranges.
We will need to go through at least 4-5 more managers before we can declare Ole "worst manager of the decade". And that will be a decade, stop trying to sneak-in "30 years" curveball
Lingard has been utter trash for 1.5 years at least, but he's provided more than two memorable moments in his United career, to be fair
I'm sorry other big clubs sack managers all the time until they find the right one.
You should stop obsessing about stats and start watching the game. This is not baseball. Stats-shmats
Im saying if Fergie had have been signed Dec 2017 same as Ole with the results he originally got everyone would have been screaming for the sack
Saf took over when Man Utd were in 21st place, literally in relegation and finished in 11th place. Why would he have been sacked?
It's pure fantasy to know what results Saf would achieve with this squad, but you are basically saying he wouldn't do better?
This is funny as feck
If DJemba Djemba had got the appearances Lingard had then I am sure he would have added to his short list.
it’s the default. If SAF or Klopp had been sacked BS that people make. How about this if Liverpool didn’t sack Hodgson after 6 months would they have become CL winners and league contenders much sooner?
I think the problem with Ole is that he got a great chance to start with. Expectations lowered due to Mourinho being crap near the end.
Time to learn what was needed for his first transfer window. A squad that ended second with lots of young talents in it and some experience. A squad happy to have him since Mourinho lost the dressing room near the end.
It was the best platform you could imagine as a manager even if the quality of squad lacked in certain areas.
Fair enough having our owners might not have been ideal in the market though in order to solve it, but they will spend big money at times.
Although he has not done much with it. Started well, but did nothing to develop the football enough. Now when the positivity is no longer around it will be even harder for him to keep it up. Our squad is too thin due to him letting too many players go without replacements.
Replacing Ole will be harder since he made us decline so much. Although we need to do it this summer if we want to be serious as a top team. The next manager need to get the right funds in the market. We need 5 players this summer minimum.
Time to learn what was needed for his first transfer window. A squad that ended second with lots of young talents in it and some experience. A squad happy to have him since Mourinho lost the dressing room near the end.
It was the best platform you could imagine as a manager even if the quality of squad lacked in certain areas.
Fair enough having our owners might not have been ideal in the market though in order to solve it, but they will spend big money at times.
Although he has not done much with it. Started well, but did nothing to develop the football enough. Now when the positivity is no longer around it will be even harder for him to keep it up. Our squad is too thin due to him letting too many players go without replacements.
Replacing Ole will be harder since he made us decline so much. Although we need to do it this summer if we want to be serious as a top team. The next manager need to get the right funds in the market. We need 5 players this summer minimum.
stating facts pal. Has the worst win ratio of any manager we have had in the past 30 years, maybe even longer. Why do we need to go through another 4-5 managers to prove how crap he is.There is not a shred of a doubt that he should have made subs before the second goal, way before even the half-time, because we got lucky like 5 times there and it was obvious we were going to concede with the players we had on the field.
That said, the whole "worst manager we have had in the past 30 years" is still nonsensical exaggeration, because
- Well, for the most of the past 30 years we had the best manager in the history of football - SAF, so obviously anybody is worse than him
- Since then we've had:
- Moyes - clueless twat, who Ole is not worse than
- LvG - a soon-to-be-retired flop who was never going to build for long-term. So, no Ole is still not worse than him
- Mourinho - one of the most decorated coaches ever. Was never going to be our long-term solution and failed to deliver on short-term so while he is not worse than Ole, comparing him with Ole is like comparing apples with oranges.
We will need to go through at least 4-5 more managers before we can declare Ole "worst manager of the decade". And that will be a decade, stop trying to sneak-in "30 years" curveball
Ole... It's time to go!
Been trying to find his 'stare' all day. He did it twice in the last ten mins. @GifLord would you have that anywhere?.
Funniest thing I have seen in a long time. I want that stare with a lightbulb above it captioned with 'where are the biscuits'
Other clubs run the club like a football club and not a resort.
You are bang on about the hard to quantify point. All this talk about culture, mentality etc is all just talk, only when we fix the technical problems in our play, we can look at mentality or whatever. There is no point in never giving up and giving it all when there is no substance in our play.
Exactly.. time for the club to stop letting favoured guest overstay their welcome
Fergie would have never let us be this crap.
Well he was starting that process with the squad he left us when he retired.
I just think it's odd to assume that Klopp or Saf could not perform better in their first 12 months than OGS. Where does this assumption that no one could do a better job than Ole? Like really?
He left ample transfer funds for investment to his replacement.
To be fair to him he was doomed to failure when the club never replaced the 2 midfielders and 2 forwards that left last year.
I can't really blame Ole for the decline but he was always going to take the fall.
Have you watched any other team? Most managers don't like to change quickly, this includes Klopp, Pochetino and the likes. Mourinho might be the quickest on the "trigger" but we've had him, didn't work out.
Point is, you stick to your team for the most part. I'd understand the frustration if he was keeping someone really good on the bench, but what are his options really?
Because you need enough data to make assertions we've only had 3 other managers to compare him to, except none of them even tried to do a rebuild. Can't compare "stats" of a rebuild to the non-rebuild efforts.
Either way, there are things to definitely be concerned about, but "worst manager in 30 years" is just a gross exaggeration.
If you want to discuss specifics, yes - he has a problem with making changes in a game too late. Like I said, subs should have come around 30th minute when it became clear that our starting lineup was a disaster. Whether that would have helped or not is still unclear, because having watched the entire game - nobody on that field had any desire to move their asses. Maybe it was exhaustion, maybe the whole Jan 1st shit, and hungover, but that team was doomed the moment they set their feet on the pitch. Still Ole should have tried more, even if the result was gonna be the same. It's his job.
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Send me some of those drugs please . Chelsea's squad is a million miles better than United's . They are a CB away from being a really good side .
They have at least 4 or 5 midfielders who would walk into our side plus have Lofus Cheek and Hudson Adoi , Willian who would all start for United
What a stupid post that is. Moyes managed Everton in the premier league for over a decade managing to finish in upper half of the table on most occasions and even finishing in at 4-5 positions a few times. LVG had won league titles in several countries and took his national team to the semi-finals of world cup just before joining us. Some of his teams were a joy to watch. When did you start watching football, from the last 6 years? Ole will have done great if he can achieve even a quarter of what they have achieved as managers. If Moyes was clueless, then the only comparable word for Ole is brain dead. A classic example of manipulating and hiding facts to suit the delusion.There is not a shred of a doubt that he should have made subs before the second goal, way before even the half-time, because we got lucky like 5 times there and it was obvious we were going to concede with the players we had on the field.
That said, the whole "worst manager we have had in the past 30 years" is still nonsensical exaggeration, because
- Well, for the most of the past 30 years we had the best manager in the history of football - SAF, so obviously anybody is worse than him
- Since then we've had:
- Moyes - clueless twat, who Ole is not worse than
- LvG - a soon-to-be-retired flop who was never going to build for long-term. So, no Ole is still not worse than him
- Mourinho - one of the most decorated coaches ever. Was never going to be our long-term solution and failed to deliver on short-term so while he is not worse than Ole, comparing him with Ole is like comparing apples with oranges.
We will need to go through at least 4-5 more managers before we can declare Ole "worst manager of the decade". And that will be a decade, stop trying to sneak-in "30 years" curveball
You are more-or-less correct but not all cases are comparable. Yesterday was a case of "you gotta do something right now" and waiting was crazy. Also, not all managers wait. Case in point is Lampard who brought Jorginho in at 34', in a very similar situation against Arsenal, and it worked.
Again, judging by the overall game, everybody was so deflated and unwilling to play on the United side, that there was no winning of that game. Ole should still have made subs earlier.
I'll agree there is more to it. Those players were available at the start of the season but do you remember how bad Fred and Perreira were? McTominay was just okay and still learning. Pogba was virtually all alone in midfield with little good help. You can't get good results with an average midfield.
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Now Fred is pretty good and Pogba and McT are out. (BTW, doesn't Ole get credit for developing Fred into a solid midfielder?) My point is Ole has rarely had a full squad that was healthy and most of the players in form. It's always been something whether injury or poor form (now Lingard is useless and Perreira is okay). In summary:
1st month: Fred dismal, McTominay okay
2nd month: Martial injured, Fred still useless, McTominay growing
3rd month: Pogba injured, Fred okay, McTominay playing well
4th month: Pogba injured, James losing his legs, Fred playing well
Now: Pogba and McTominay out, Lingard useless, James inconsistent, Fred becoming a rock
My timing may not be perfect but you get the point. Ole rarely has had a good side to work with.
Blah, blah, blah and more blah. Who cares what Moyes and LvG had done before United? We are talking about their record with United. And besides, Ole will finish around 6th with a very young United team, this year, so Moyes "finishing in upper half" with Everton is not impressing anybody. Clean the garbage out of your own logic, before accusing anybody of delusion.
Lvg absolutely did a rebuild. Mourinho cleared out what he deemed deadwood too.
So far this is our lowest point tally in the league for around something like 30 years. Which means OGS league form is worse than our previous 3 failed managers.
I do not think you have seen Fergie manage Aberdeen then? There was life of Fergie before Manchester United. He was a very successful manager in his own right before he came to Manchester United. He had a track record of winning big trophies before he came to United. This was the reason why he was hired by United. Not because he was a nice guy with a smiling face.
That's absolute rubbish, if their squad is a million miles than what's Barcelons's or PSG out of the stratosphere ? The distinction of this Chelsea squad being good is only on the premise of their performances this season. A good 75% of posts in summer predicted Chelsea to finish 6th from multiple threads I had seen. Jorginho was one of the worst midfielders in the league last season, Kante was played out of position under Sarri, RLC hardly ever featured along with Barkley. Kovacic did nothing of note under Sarri either. The effectiveness of Chelsea's midfield is all to do with the team dynamic Lampard has provided. Chelsea like us have a predominantly youthful side but at the stem of their inadequacies is a coach who is more evolved then what we have at our disposal.
I actually think there are a few managers who would do alot better with this team than the current capabilities under Ole. When you consider Solskjaer has no credible history of developing players at a competitive level, I'm not sure why fans seem to think he's the only useful manager in world football suitable for Manchester United.
Some of the love Ole gets on here is an absolute embarrassment. I'm behind people supporting Solskjaer but many might aswell have a vaccume cleaner up his behind.
Again with the out-of-context stats. Maybe you should play Bingo, instead of watching football?
Ole is rebuilding the team, so my concern is - watching the games and assessing what I see on the pitch, whether the team is progressing. Counting points of a team in rebuild, team with the lowest average age in the league, is a waste of time and nonsense.
Load of bollocks.
Agree 100% . He had proved himself suitably qualified fro the job.
My comment was in relation to the squad he left but was going off topic.
Our point tally in the league is not relevant?
there’s no point comparing points and league positions to previous years. We are 5th at the moment. Some would say that’s an over achievement with this squad. Some would argue it isn’t. Either way we are inconsistently unpredictable and I just hope Ole pushes to make sure we get 2 players in cos if we don’t we won’t improve and he will be gone at the seasons end. Last night was a real low point in my view he needs to change what he says post game it’s like he’s on a tape recorder saying the same tripe