Ole has in no way written off this season. Top four is still a possibility (4 pts behind Chelsea, should Lampard be ousted?), as is the EL, LC and FAC.
It’s incredible what a horrible spin you put on everything.
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Ole has in no way written off this season. Top four is still a possibility (4 pts behind Chelsea, should Lampard be ousted?), as is the EL, LC and FAC.
It’s incredible what a horrible spin you put on everything.
So.. if in 3 years we failed to challenge the league, it's not ole's fault.
Basically you're giving ole a blank slate.
Of his job as manager, what do you actually hold him responsible for? honestly? do tell me.
Admitting that this season in part will be about giving people chances and figuring out next season’s squad is not the same as saying we’re giving up on trophies, and he’s since given interviews where he’s been clear about wanting to challenge for all the trophies we’re involved in. Seriously, it’s weak as feck to infer somethint from one interview, and then to ignore all the times he directly speaks to the point you’re talking about. It’s disingenuous.
Did I say that?
You really are incapable of conducting adult discourse clearly.
Managers deserve time and a level of backing, surely you agree that much?
Has Ole had sufficient funds to compete yet? No. Your idiotic attempts to try label 120m which was basically made back in player sales is a pittance.
No I'm not.
You are creating statements that I've never once posted.
He has on occasion been tactically naive no doubt about it, he is a young manager and still learning. I'm not sold on some of his quotes in press conferences or the like but when also applying common sense and the reality of the situation the club is in, it sometimes makes sense.
Ultimately the buck will stop with Ole.
But in the here and now, I'm not sure how you can be so binary and blame him for so much.
Is it Ole's fault the club has been mismanaged prior to his arrival?
Is it Ole's fault the squad is poor?
Is it Ole's fault the board didn't deliver a centre mid and replacement for Lukaku?
He's responsible for on field matters, player performances etc.
- By an large our performances are a feck tonne better to watch then the majority of what Jose or LVG gave us.
- He's phased out Matic, Valencia, Young and Lukaku who were regulars for Jose and instead given us McTominay, AWB, Williams and Greenwood who will all likely be at the club a long time and have far great up side than any of the former listed.
- The average age of our team has done a complete 180. The average age of our starting XI barely made the top 20 youngest line ups last season, this season we dominate it and with youth you get inconsistency, color me shocked!
Yeah, that doesn't mean what you think it does you clown.
First bold: yes, partly.
Second bold: No, not in a million years.
And as far as phasing Valencia, Young and Matic out, it's not exactly like he had a choice. Any other manager would have done the same. He also didn't not bring us McTominay (Mourinho did) or AWB (Hodgson). I know you'll say "but he signed AWB" and yeh, because our scouting department declared him the best RB signing out of a list of hundreds of possibles. He can't take much credit for that. The only positively good decision Ole has made with regards to players that I think he can "own" outright is deciding that Lukaku didn't fit the bill as a United striker.
First bold bit - Explain? How?
"Not in a million years" - Seriously?
Are you seriously telling me you long for days of possession for possessions sake? Maybe you prefer Jose's flat back 8 where Martial and Rashford as our wide attackers doubled up as full backs?
The last 2 seasons we averaged 13 shots per game in the league, this season we currently average 15 shots per game.
We are a feck tonne more entertaining to watch this year than we have been in at least 4 seasons!
There are of course games where its a tough watch still but generally I've enjoyed our games from an entertainment perspective and haven't an ounce of dread like Moyes, boredom like LVG and Jose!
Talk about creating shit to throw at a manager.
Why didn't LVG or Jose phase out these players then? Why did they both consider Young and Valencia as regulars? Jose played Matic into the ground! The amount of mins he played was nothing short of absolutely insane and that was regardless of his form nose diving off a cliff!
More made up bollicks!
If you bother to read Andy Mittens article about our summer transfer dealings Ole actually bypassed our scouting and trusted close confidants like Phelan (who had worked with Maguire previously), Neville who worked with AWB in the England camp and finally Giggs who recommended James.
Seriously pal, Do yourself a favor and read up on those close to the club and know what's what. Or just create stories to suit your anti Ole agenda like you have here.
The teams' success takes much more than a great coach. We often think that talent equals success as if everything and can be bought with money and a great coach. Although both helps, the reality of individual talent can be quite inconsistent in team sports. The outcome of success depends on many other factors, making the result unpredictable. If it was that easy to click a finger and get the best coach available and boom we have the success we crave then we'd be deluded. Sports does not work to an exact science.
If we analyse most European leagues it the biggest teams that keep churning out trophies despite changes in management. Seems clubs structure and wealth is what breeds success. Its an anomaly for so-called smaller teams to win not the norm.
Absolutely agree!
Posters like Sky1981 and others seem to think if we just get the best coach we'll suddenly become successful.
Pretty sure the vast majority of our supporters said the same when sacking LVG for Jose. Most felt it was a certainty Jose would get us back to greatness. His CV was superb, won everything there was to win, won leagues all over etc etc... still didn't work.
Yet here we are, still an army of supporters thinking its as simple as changing manager and everything is perfect.
Klopp isn't the only reason Liverpool are great, he owes a feck tonne of praise to Edwards for getting deals done and the scouting department.
Only thing I'd say here is clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern have a monopoly on their leagues, we don't.
I mean, there's been a whopping 3 different clubs win La Liga since 2005, two of them are Real and Barca! It's a mickey mouse league in reality, every bit as bad as Scotland in terms of competitiveness.
There is no army thinking that, so stop chatting shit.
What absolute drivel.
Pretty much to a man here on the caf we have been desperate for a DoF and the huge majority of posters have for years criticised the way we do transfers. What rock have you been living under to make that statement?
I have yet to hear any of the staunch Ole In crowd blame him for ANYTHING. Not a single thing is his fault yet any positives are all his doing. Our manager has zero accountability.
What, in your opinion, should he be blamed for?
Shit results and performances against shit teams. It's never his fault it's the players yet when we win it's all his doing
I don't know about others but I do agree that generally, the manager's responsible for the results. I guess the question is, are those performances and results a sackable offence at this stage?
Do you have anger issues that need addressing? See a therapist, posting here and cursing people out is not a free therapy for you. In every post you call somebody an idiot and every opinion that isn't exactly yours is apparently idiotic. Sarcasm is also totally lost on you. It's annoying AF. Get help.
Winning a league title is a better CV than managing a B team, yes?
Do your parents know you're on the internet?
Dont forget the part where having a different opinion is 'having an agenda'.
Petty insult yes?
Yes, but I thought I'd lower my posting standard to yours.
Yes, but I thought I'd lower my posting standard to yours.
You dont have to go far, not much higher.
Ps: you let your kids on the net?
Yeah they do, but they think he is looking at porn
Yes, but I thought I'd lower my posting standard to yours.
Considering your post was funny, you didn't even come close
I am frustrated with inconsistency and some poor performances as much as anyone else but the players are actually responding to Ole. As long as Poch is available, Ole is going to have to prove himself every single day over and over again but I like most of the stuff that I see from this side. Especially after that Newcastle game, I see our players getting better and I can see a pattern of play that this team wants to play. And this is something that we have not seen for a long long time.
You do know I've claimed someone has an "agenda" like twice in the past year @Stadjer, both times defending Maguire. The first was devilish claiming Maguire isn't very good because he was part of an England defence that "collapsed both against Croatia and Holland", completely ignoring the fact that Jones Stones was massively at fault for every goal in those games. The second was you claiming you "don't buy" that Pep wanted Maguire, despite Pep himself admitting it.
If they are not driven by an agenda from the poster to prove themselves and their beliefs correct, what is? You also completely ignored the point I made regarding the slower than Maguire, Mats Hummels playing for a Jörgen Klopp gegenpressing side which further compounded my belief that you were not willing to debate with anyone or listen to words from Guardiola himself when you'd already made your mind up regarding Maguire.
But we've gone through this and I have plenty of debates with people who have different opinions. I get plenty of stuff wrong here, for example I was certain Mourinho would change his ways if he was ever given his dream United job, I thought Depay would be a wonderful proper United signing. I'm sure there's a tonne more down the years as aside from Moyes and Fellaini, I've gotten a lot wrong since SAF retired.
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I understood it was sarcastic, that was entirely why it was idiotic. And I never call anyone an idiot, I criticise the post, not the poster.
And no, you'll see I'm in the Herrera thread having a different opinion to many, but I don't think anyone who loved Herrera or who makes a post claiming he is sorely missed is making an idiotic post. I think Matic still has plenty to give as a squad player, but I won't claim any post disagreeing is idiotic.
If I see a post that is beyond daft though, it's hard not to mention it. So idiotic posts are idiotic, different opinions are great, that leads to good debate.
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I do hate the over emotional/insulting replies that are far too common on internet forums, including this one.
Anyway back to Ole, I'm part of the Ole in brigade for the reasons set out by @keeefy18 i.e. re balancing of the squad, phasing out of unsuitable players and more entertaining football plus the courage to give younger players a chance(I said at the start of the season, that putting his faith in rashford and martial and not replacing lukaku and Herrera would be his downfall, but credit to him for that).
I also like his record in the big games which is crucial for a manager at a big club. This is something that moyes and even poch were poor at. I think it tells a lot about a manager. I'm not so worried about the record against the smaller teams, that will come, yes we should have won most of those games, but Rome wasnt built in a day etc.
I think ole has done enough to be given more time. Will he lead us back to the promised land? I dont know but who else is there? Poch did well on a budget at spurs but so did Moyes at everton.
Anyway back to Ole, I'm part of the Ole in brigade for the reasons set out by @keeefy18 i.e. re balancing of the squad, phasing out of unsuitable players and more entertaining football plus the courage to give younger players a chance(I said at the start of the season, that putting his faith in rashford and martial and not replacing lukaku and Herrera would be his downfall, but credit to him for that).
I also like his record in the big games which is crucial for a manager at a big club. This is something that moyes and even poch were poor at. I think it tells a lot about a manager. I'm not so worried about the record against the smaller teams, that will come, yes we should have won most of those games, but Rome wasnt built in a day etc.
I think ole has done enough to be given more time. Will he lead us back to the promised land? I dont know but who else is there? Poch did well on a budget at spurs but so did Moyes at everton.
sorry I hadn’t looked at the table closely - too painful
my point was that during a downturn season they are still comfortably in the CL places and still miles ahead of us
I am Ole in for the rebuild, and actually “never Poch” as well if and when time comes to replace him with a different coach - bad results or just to take a step forward.
But to put Moyes and Poch in the same sentence has to be some sort of a crime, if it isn’t already. Moyes didn’t go to Champions League final. Moyes never challenged for the league - hell he couldn’t do that with the squad that won the league a year before. Moyes’s Everton was a tough team but they hardly set the world on fire with the football they played. Yakubu same as Harry Kane?
Yes that was how it was with SAF as well. A third spot was unheard of. Happened all the way back in early 2000s. But if you can’t appreciate that the clubs will have a downturn of fortunes for a multitude of reasons, you should talk to the fans of the club that’s probably going to win the league this year. Be sure to wear a hazmat suit and take a shower afterwards though.
Ole is Jesus Christ in disguise, Manchester United will be saved and begrudges will pay for their sins.
I've changed my stance to Ole in til the end of the season. We're still in the top 4 race at least and still in the cups.
A downturn season after 2 years of utter domination and in which they have lost a just a couple of their 56 defenders. I don't recall them losing any of their midfield or attacking talent for a prolonged period but I may be wrong.
It is no coincidence that they are still above us. Our first 11 can't compare, let alone the squad as a whole.
Welcome aboard
Who really gives a shit if he doesn't? If he manages to rebuild the squad into a better balanced, younger and fitter squad then he's done great. Hopefully he manages to win a trophy along the way to shut up the turds. But to expect him to dominate the league is ridiculous. People still have this mad expectation that our Managers should wave a magic wand and turn a squad struggling to achieve Top 4 into a title contender in less than year. Bizarre.
As for people crying about how Ole In posters never criticise, what a load of shit. Everyone here acknowledges that currently Ole needs to find a way to beat deep defensive teams and improve on his match management. It's yet another sweeping statement by the drama queens on this forum who want a brand new toy every 12 months to keep their dicks hard. (am I doing this sweeping statement shit right?)
@Keefy18
Mate I commend you!
How you are able to keep responding to the same posters peddling the same uninformed opinions is beyond me.
And their opinions are not just uninformed, they lack any sort of understanding of the human elements of creating a football team.
I am always doing my best not to react to the those opinions, those that are driven through agenda and ego of not getting 'what they want'.
Of course we are alll entitled to our opinions, but at least when these people post so force fully, post respectfully, argue the argument, not the poster!
And yeah, if someone brings an opinion that has no basis in reality then of course its not easy to be respectful, but we all need to understand that people are different and have differnet levels of understanding.
I keep having to remind myself of my above comment when I go about my everyday life, just coming to the CAF seems to bring the worst types of posters who for whatever reasons come across to me of lacking any sort of critical thinking and understanding and are instead just driven by their egos ............
Mate I commend you!
How you are able to keep responding to the same posters peddling the same uninformed opinions is beyond me.
And their opinions are not just uninformed, they lack any sort of understanding of the human elements of creating a football team.
I am always doing my best not to react to the those opinions, those that are driven through agenda and ego of not getting 'what they want'.
Of course we are alll entitled to our opinions, but at least when these people post so force fully, post respectfully, argue the argument, not the poster!
And yeah, if someone brings an opinion that has no basis in reality then of course its not easy to be respectful, but we all need to understand that people are different and have differnet levels of understanding.
I keep having to remind myself of my above comment when I go about my everyday life, just coming to the CAF seems to bring the worst types of posters who for whatever reasons come across to me of lacking any sort of critical thinking and understanding and are instead just driven by their egos ............
We need to stay with Ole for the next 2 seasons, give him the time to really mould these players into what he wants. It’s been a very up and down season but we are 1 point from 4th with finally a settled first 11, promising youngsters getting game time the right way and players who have been here too long being moved on.
On top of this i’ve seen improvements in Martial, Fred, Pereria and Lindelof to name just 4 that previous managers couldn’t do.
The 3 players he’s brought in have all been a success in my opinion so I’m excited to see who else he brings in and I’m happy to hear that we arent going to bring players in for the sake of it anymore, hence the lack of midfielders this season. This attitude will hopefully help us negotiate for the players we want going forwards if other clubs know we will walk away if they ask over the odds.
Not everything is perfect but with some consistency, which will come with more experience, and Ole continuing to learn and trust his decisions more we’ll be in a much better place soon.
On top of this i’ve seen improvements in Martial, Fred, Pereria and Lindelof to name just 4 that previous managers couldn’t do.
The 3 players he’s brought in have all been a success in my opinion so I’m excited to see who else he brings in and I’m happy to hear that we arent going to bring players in for the sake of it anymore, hence the lack of midfielders this season. This attitude will hopefully help us negotiate for the players we want going forwards if other clubs know we will walk away if they ask over the odds.
Not everything is perfect but with some consistency, which will come with more experience, and Ole continuing to learn and trust his decisions more we’ll be in a much better place soon.