The “Ole In” Brigade

[NewGlory]

I'm not going to judge from one match and I'm still Ole out. But one thing to point out is that we're are at our best when we put in effort. We put in effort against top 6 teams and we win most of them. We put in effort when Ole first came in and we went on a winning run
We put in effort and we came from behind to beat Psg without Pogba.

You might say who isn't at their best when they put in effort? But this squad isn't nearly as good as some of the teams we've beaten under Ole. It's that dedication that gets us those victories. We won the league with a declining squad under Ferguson and came from behind a number of times because of this dedication and Van Persje of course. It's the United way and why I fell in love with this club

Ole understands that very much. He wants to get quality players that would die on the pitch. From what I've seen Ole isn't like Guardiola that is all about tactics winning games. His more of the type of coach that thinks if you have quality players giving their 1000% then they can win everything and tactics is only like 20% of the gist.

Your post is very fair, balanced, and reasonable. Based on what you said I am confused about why you are still "Ole out".

By the way, if you watch Pep interviews he always says that winning is all about quality players giving their 100% and very little about tactics. So, actually not that different from how you described Ole

 

[Thiagoal]

The only way I’m judging Ole at the moment is the general ‘feeling’ I have whilst watching us! Over the last six years I’ve become numb to the boring football and disliked over half of our players!

This season has been far from great, but I feel like I’m enjoying watching our games and am right behind our whole squad! We have some exceptional young players that are being given an opportunity and I think that’s great and will stand us in great stead for the next decade with the addition of a few experienced world class players

 

[NewGlory]

hahaha oh you’re so funny & witty. Hilarious.

Or maybe those who want Ole out just want the best for our club to be the best it can be?

How do you want the best for the club? We just had one of the most proven coaches, the one with quick results - Mourinho, as our coach and it didn't work out. The one before that, LvG, was also way more proven than Pochettino. Also didnt work. So, excuse us for not wanting to keep going down the same "quick fix" route just based on Ole Out crowd's faith into some imaginary savior.

 

[red woppit]

Disagree 100%.

With a better manager in by


Disagree 100%. A better manager would have us much higher up the table with us vying for Chelsea & Spurs all the way.

How can you say that? Have you a divine wisdom that the rest of us have not? Fact is, we have missed 4 penalties this season, which has cost us points, we have missed numerous chances (4 very good chances against Watford alone), several bloopers from Dr Gea which have cost goals. If only half of these chances had been taken, we would possibly have another 6 or 7 points, where would that put us?

 

[Rafaeldagold]

How do you want the best for the club? We just had one of the most proven coaches, Mourinho, as our coach - the one that had proven to get quick results as our coach and it didn't work out. The one before that, LvG, was also way more proven than Pochettino. Also didnt work. So, excuse us for not wanting to keep going down the same "quick fix" route just based on Ole Out crowd's faith into some imaginary savior.

If LVG & Jose ‘ didn’t work out’ after winning trophies & getting top 4 or very close then Ole definitely isn’t so should be sacked immediately

 

[SteveW]

Disagree 100%. A better manager would have us much higher up the table with us vying for Chelsea & Spurs all the way.
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And this is in a nutshell the difference between me/some other Ole-in posters and most Ole out posters

We fully acknowledge had we kept Lukaku, Sanchez, Smalling, Herrera, Valencia and Fellaini plus had Conte in the dugout we might now be “vying with Chelsea”

I personally would rather have all those players gone, three good players in at the right sort of age, a manager that’s not constantly agitating for quick fixes and still only be four points behind Chelsea

You’re right in the sense that other managers would have us challenging for 4th but who really honestly cares about that? I want to be sat here in three years talking about a title challenge, not whether we can scrape 4th
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Exactly.

 

[red woppit]

The only way I’m judging Ole at the moment is the general ‘feeling’ I have whilst watching us! Over the last six years I’ve become numb to the boring football and disliked over half of our players!

This season has been far from great, but I feel like I’m enjoying watching our games and am right behind our whole squad! We have some exceptional young players that are being given an opportunity and I think that’s great and will stand us in great stead for the next decade with the addition of a few experienced world class players

Absolutely agree.

 

[Gehrman]

People keep saying this and the only names that pop up are Klopp and Pochettino FFS. Name a serious candidate - and if you say Allegri I'm going to be soaked below the belt from laughing, never in a million years a Man United coach.

People are not just mentioning Poch, but also Erik ten Hag, Hagelmann etc. Tbh I don't even think Rodgers would be a poor candidate atm. I dislike his persona, but overall I think he's a good coach.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

How can you say that? Have you a divine wisdom that the rest of us have not? Fact is, we have missed 4 penalties this season, which has cost us points, we have missed numerous chances (4 very good chances against Watford alone), several bloopers from Dr Gea which have cost goals. If only half of these chances had been taken, we would possibly have another 6 or 7 points, where would that put us?

Well with such logic like that how can I compete. Also If we had stopped every goal we let in & scored from every shot where would that put us? Top of the league winning every game so yep we should give Ole a 50 year contract.
The mental gymnastics to make Ole look good is ridiculous. We deserve no top 4 of trophies with fans supporting this utter mediocrity & losing mentality

 

[pacifictheme]

The only way I’m judging Ole at the moment is the general ‘feeling’ I have whilst watching us! Over the last six years I’ve become numb to the boring football and disliked over half of our players!

This season has been far from great, but I feel like I’m enjoying watching our games and am right behind our whole squad! We have some exceptional young players that are being given an opportunity and I think that’s great and will stand us in great stead for the next decade with the addition of a few experienced world class players

The question is i guess, do you think ole has the nouse and tactical skill to adapt and play different ways against different opposition? For me ole has two jobs, one hes doing well (changing the squad) and one hes not doing so well (improving our style of play and results).

I want ole to succeed and don't hate that he is here but if he was sacked tomorrow i wouldn't consider it a loss to the club.

Pochettino has a better record (for me) of playing good football and integrating youth than ole. I don't really see him as a quick fix, but i see him as a more competent version of ole. Yeah he got sacked by spurs but from the outside looking in the problems he was faced with seemed to be caused by the board being tight with money (in both transfers in and wages), two thing he wouldn't face at united.

I think ole is safe at the moment, but i wouldn't be surprised to see us with another manager in a years time thinking that oles only achievement was trimming the fat off the squad.

 

[lysglimt]

People are not just mentioning Poch, but also Erik ten Hag, Hagelmann etc. Tbh I don't even think Rodgers would be a poor candidate atm. I dislike his persona, but overall I think he's a good coach.

And there is absolutely no guarantees that either of these will do a better job.

Ten Hag ? What has he done ? He was ok at Utrecht - not great in any way. And yes - he did good in the C.L with Ajax - but it should be mentioned that he is yet to win the Eredivisie in Holland - he was beaten twice by PSV to the title.

And I agree that Rodgers has done brilliantly at Leicester, but he got Liverpool to collapse, just months after they almost won the League. Surely that leaves question marks.

Same with Nagelsmann - he did ok at Hoffenheim, not great in any way. And he has had a great start to his Leipzig career, but I always feel that Leipzig is a case of excellent scouting rather than excellent coaching. Regardless - why chance OGS with a manager whose credentials aren't that much better ? If he does really well at Leipzig for 2-3 seasons, yes of course he could be an option. But its too early to tell if he is the real deal.

My Point is this - if you are going to sack the manager, you better be absolutely certain that the one you get to replace him is better. And when the players are happy and we are in a position we are, it would be a wrong decision to fire him.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

And there is absolutely no guarantees that either of these will do a better job.

Ten Hag ? What has he done ? He was ok at Utrecht - not great in any way. And yes - he did good in the C.L with Ajax - but it should be mentioned that he is yet to win the Eredivisie in Holland - he was beaten twice by PSV to the title.

And I agree that Rodgers has done brilliantly at Leicester, but he got Liverpool to collapse, just months after they almost won the League. Surely that leaves question marks.

Same with Nagelsmann - he did ok at Hoffenheim, not great in any way. And he has had a great start to his Leipzig career, but I always feel that Leipzig is a case of excellent scouting rather than excellent coaching. Regardless - why chance OGS with a manager whose credentials aren't that much better ? If he does really well at Leipzig for 2-3 seasons, yes of course he could be an option. But its too early to tell if he is the real deal.

My Point is this - if you are going to sack the manager, you better be absolutely certain that the one you get to replace him is better. And when the players are happy and we are in a position we are, it would be a wrong decision to fire him.

And WHAT has Ole done??? You’re trashing other managers when ours has done nothing at all

 

[VorZakone]

And there is absolutely no guarantees that either of these will do a better job.

Ten Hag ? What has he done ? He was ok at Utrecht - not great in any way. And yes - he did good in the C.L with Ajax - but it should be mentioned that he is yet to win the Eredivisie in Holland - he was beaten twice by PSV to the title.

And I agree that Rodgers has done brilliantly at Leicester, but he got Liverpool to collapse, just months after they almost won the League. Surely that leaves question marks.

Same with Nagelsmann - he did ok at Hoffenheim, not great in any way. And he has had a great start to his Leipzig career, but I always feel that Leipzig is a case of excellent scouting rather than excellent coaching. Regardless - why chance OGS with a manager whose credentials aren't that much better ? If he does really well at Leipzig for 2-3 seasons, yes of course he could be an option. But its too early to tell if he is the real deal.

My Point is this - if you are going to sack the manager, you better be absolutely certain that the one you get to replace him is better. And when the players are happy and we are in a position we are, it would be a wrong decision to fire him.

Ten Hag won the title last year.

 

[Bilbo]

its more of an easy position for you to say ‘ well it isn’t going to get any better & Ole is best person for it’ it’s also kinda defeatist.

There are much better managers out there so I feel like our ambition is seeping out of our club

Its certainly not an easier position. Defending every loss, every draw, every decision that has been made because its all actually reality and so easy to pick apart if so inclined. We are called deluded, defeatist, accused of lowering our expectations, being so dumb as to have been hoodwinked by the club into accepting what you consider to be mediocrity or even being blinded by the fact that our manager is a former player. Countless insults & accusation.

The opposite stance is 'I think that someone else is a better manager so they would definitely be doing better'. That's not a position that has to be defended based on any actual real life situation. Its just stating your belief as fact and sticking to it because you are convinced that you know better.

 

[dove]

And there is absolutely no guarantees that either of these will do a better job.

Ten Hag ? What has he done ? He was ok at Utrecht - not great in any way. And yes - he did good in the C.L with Ajax - but it should be mentioned that he is yet to win the Eredivisie in Holland - he was beaten twice by PSV to the title.

And I agree that Rodgers has done brilliantly at Leicester, but he got Liverpool to collapse, just months after they almost won the League. Surely that leaves question marks.

Same with Nagelsmann - he did ok at Hoffenheim, not great in any way. And he has had a great start to his Leipzig career, but I always feel that Leipzig is a case of excellent scouting rather than excellent coaching. Regardless - why chance OGS with a manager whose credentials aren't that much better ? If he does really well at Leipzig for 2-3 seasons, yes of course he could be an option. But its too early to tell if he is the real deal.

My Point is this - if you are going to sack the manager, you better be absolutely certain that the one you get to replace him is better. And when the players are happy and we are in a position we are, it would be a wrong decision to fire him.

I don’t get this thinking at all. Even if we hired Pep our Klopp there would not be any guarantees, so does it mean we should stick with Ole? It’s very frustrating and unfortunate because Top 4 is still up for grabs if we had a better manager but we don’t care about that.

 

[lysglimt]

The question is i guess, do you think ole has the nouse and tactical skill to adapt and play different ways against different opposition? For me ole has two jobs, one hes doing well (changing the squad) and one hes not doing so well (improving our style of play and results).

I want ole to succeed and don't hate that he is here but if he was sacked tomorrow i wouldn't consider it a loss to the club.

Pochettino has a better record (for me) of playing good football and integrating youth than ole. I don't really see him as a quick fix, but i see him as a more competent version of ole. Yeah he got sacked by spurs but from the outside looking in the problems he was faced with seemed to be caused by the board being tight with money (in both transfers in and wages), two thing he wouldn't face at united.

I think ole is safe at the moment, but i wouldn't be surprised to see us with another manager in a years time thinking that oles only achievement was trimming the fat off the squad.

I will be very impressed if you can argue that Pochettino has a better record of integrating youth than OGS considering Spurs practically don't have any young players playing regularly. If we are nice, we can give them Ndombele and Winks

 

[lysglimt]

And WHAT has Ole done??? You’re trashing other managers when ours has done nothing at all

Thats not what I wrote - was it ? Read my answer again!

 

[lysglimt]

Ten Hag won the title last year.

Ah right - I stand corrected

 

[Thiagoal]

The question is i guess, do you think ole has the nouse and tactical skill to adapt and play different ways against different opposition? For me ole has two jobs, one hes doing well (changing the squad) and one hes not doing so well (improving our style of play and results).

I want ole to succeed and don't hate that he is here but if he was sacked tomorrow i wouldn't consider it a loss to the club.

Pochettino has a better record (for me) of playing good football and integrating youth than ole. I don't really see him as a quick fix, but i see him as a more competent version of ole. Yeah he got sacked by spurs but from the outside looking in the problems he was faced with seemed to be caused by the board being tight with money (in both transfers in and wages), two thing he wouldn't face at united.

I think ole is safe at the moment, but i wouldn't be surprised to see us with another manager in a years time thinking that oles only achievement was trimming the fat off the squad.

The biggest test of a managers tactical nouse comes against your biggest rivals (the top 6) and to be honest we’ve been phenomenal against them! One could argue our ability to break down deep lying defences is poor but I honestly believe a couple of creative players would fix that and having Pogba available will be crucial for too

 

[Micky Targaryen]

hahaha oh you’re so funny & witty. Hilarious.

Or maybe those who want Ole out just want the best for our club to be the best it can be?

When all logic and debate fails, just be a comedian so you won't appear as clueless. Just let them have the spotlight in this thread.

 

[Gehrman]

And there is absolutely no guarantees that either of these will do a better job.

Ten Hag ? What has he done ? He was ok at Utrecht - not great in any way. And yes - he did good in the C.L with Ajax - but it should be mentioned that he is yet to win the Eredivisie in Holland - he was beaten twice by PSV to the title.

And I agree that Rodgers has done brilliantly at Leicester, but he got Liverpool to collapse, just months after they almost won the League. Surely that leaves question marks.

Same with Nagelsmann - he did ok at Hoffenheim, not great in any way. And he has had a great start to his Leipzig career, but I always feel that Leipzig is a case of excellent scouting rather than excellent coaching. Regardless - why chance OGS with a manager whose credentials aren't that much better ? If he does really well at Leipzig for 2-3 seasons, yes of course he could be an option. But its too early to tell if he is the real deal.

My Point is this - if you are going to sack the manager, you better be absolutely certain that the one you get to replace him is better. And when the players are happy and we are in a position we are, it would be a wrong decision to fire him.

There really are no garauntees. But it's not a problem for other clubs to sack managers when they perform below expectations. We never had that problem with Saf, but it's a reality we need to get used to until we get the right manager. I'm not really sure the posititon we are in is all that good. We are in the EL and sat in 7th place behind sheffield United, Leicester and Spurs. But it's fair enough to point out that top 4 is within reach and we have half a season to go. I'm also content with Ole seeing out the season and evaluating him at the end.

It's true that Liverpool collapsed after their title challenge, but they also had to cope with Suarez being sold, par none their best player, Sterling leaving for City, Sturridge being injured most of the time, basicly losing their strikeforce which was what made them good and Gerrard being on his last legs.

I'm not really fond of Allegri coming here, but you can't look at his trophy haul and say he's not winner.

 

[spiriticon]

Ole has won 2 of those fancy foreign league titles, just to remind everyone.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

And there is absolutely no guarantees that either of these will do a better job.

Ten Hag ? What has he done ? He was ok at Utrecht - not great in any way. And yes - he did good in the C.L with Ajax - but it should be mentioned that he is yet to win the Eredivisie in Holland - he was beaten twice by PSV to the title.

And I agree that Rodgers has done brilliantly at Leicester, but he got Liverpool to collapse, just months after they almost won the League. Surely that leaves question marks.

Same with Nagelsmann - he did ok at Hoffenheim, not great in any way. And he has had a great start to his Leipzig career, but I always feel that Leipzig is a case of excellent scouting rather than excellent coaching. Regardless - why chance OGS with a manager whose credentials aren't that much better ? If he does really well at Leipzig for 2-3 seasons, yes of course he could be an option. But its too early to tell if he is the real deal.

My Point is this - if you are going to sack the manager, you better be absolutely certain that the one you get to replace him is better. And when the players are happy and we are in a position we are, it would be a wrong decision to fire him.

Yep so there’s no guarantees anyone else would do better so let’s just give up & stick with Ole no matter what.

What a terrible negative position to hold

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Ole has won 2 of those fancy foreign league titles, just to remind everyone.

He also got a team relegated in the Premier League. And got sacked by that club the following season as he isn’t a very good manager.

Just to remind everyone

 

[lysglimt]

There really are no garauntees. But it's not a problem for other clubs to sack managers when they perform below expectations. We never had that problem with Saf, but it's a reality we need to get used to until we get the right manager. I'm not really sure the posititon we are in is all that good. We are in the EL and sat in 7th place behind sheffield United, Leicester and Spurs. But it's fair enough to point out that top 4 is within reach and we have half a season to go. I'm also content with Ole seeing out the season and evaluating him at the end.

It's true that Liverpool collapsed after their title challenge, but they also had to cope with Suarez being sold, par none their best player, Sterling leaving for City, Sturridge being injured most of the time, basicly losing their strikeforce which was what made them good and Gerrard being on his last legs.

I'm not really fond of Allegri coming here, but you can't look at his trophy haul and say he's not winner.

I agree with all you write above - but then you can argue that Rodgers wasted all the Suarez money on crap like Balotelli, Markovic, Moreno. So he lost the plot in his last season at Liverpool.

But this is also my point - there is no guarantee that things are going to get better with another manager, and I am content with OGS as long as I am seeing that we are going in the right direction, and I feel we are. I like that so many of Our young players are improving rapidly, and I like the players we are being linked to.

 

[littleman]

I think everyone here who wants Ole out will change their minds if we won consistently and have an entertaining style of play. No one here has an agenda against Ole "just because" unlike Jose.

The problem is Ole has broken records in the wrong direction. What's the point of recording 4-1 victories if it's sandwiched between two 0-1 / 0-2 losses?

I don't even care about Ole's lack of integrity in throwing the team under the bus (of course -- admitting his own lack may be career suicide). If the football is good and winning, I'm all for him to stay.

The flurry of opinions after every match makes the conversation all over the place.. because we are so inconsistent, so the discussion is a roller coaster as well. But the big picture is Ole has had a full half season with preseason and he hasn't even beaten Jose's worst season. He is also trending to have a worse stint than Kenny Dalglish in 2011.

There's time yet but the fact that he's even being given time is extremely generous

 

[lysglimt]

He also got a team relegated in the Premier League. And got sacked by that club the following season as he isn’t a very good manager.

Just to remind everyone

Can you explain to everyone what Cardiffs position in the P.L was when OGS took charge of them ? Feel free to add a bit of background about the club being in disarray because of new owners who wanted to change the colour of the shirts. And feel free to add the statement made by Craig Bellamy last year: No manager could have saved Cardiff that season - and he should know, he was there at the time.

 

[spiriticon]

He also got a team relegated in the Premier League. And got sacked by that club the following season as he isn’t a very good manager.

Just to remind everyone

If we are ruling out all managers who have been sacked for doing a shit job, I'm not sure why Poch's name is even in this thread for discussion.

 

[Gehrman]

I agree with all you write above - but then you can argue that Rodgers wasted all the Suarez money on crap like Balotelli, Markovic, Moreno. So he lost the plot in his last season at Liverpool.

But this is also my point - there is no guarantee that things are going to get better with another manager, and I am content with OGS as long as I am seeing that we are going in the right direction, and I feel we are. I like that so many of Our young players are improving rapidly, and I like the players we are being linked to.

I think it's fair to hold that against Brendan. But I also think at atm there were few obvious replacements ready, a bit like when José had choose between buying Lukkaku and Morata when neither of them were really attractive options. Still I'm not going to defend his transfer record at Liverpool, but I think he's shown overall in his career that he's a good manager. Not as good as Saf or Klopp but definitely good.

 

[Zen86]

People keep saying this and the only names that pop up are Klopp and Pochettino FFS. Name a serious candidate - and if you say Allegri I'm going to be soaked below the belt from laughing, never in a million years a Man United coach.

The guy never has any answers when questioned on this. He’s basically an idiot that should be ignored.

 

[NewGlory]

He also got a team relegated in the Premier League. And got sacked by that club the following season as he isn’t a very good manager.

Just to remind everyone

That was 5 years ago. And Cardiff had a lot of problems which had nothing to do with Ole. And Ole was appointed the manager in January, so he didn't even get a full season. If you are going to criticize somebody, you should get your facts straight.

I don't give a rat's ass about what happened to Cardiff – it's a stupid stick people try to beat Ole with. I like the work I see him doing with United, right now. I see him not being knee-jerk about short-term problems and investing in the long-term. So before you say it - no, current unstable form and "lowest points in whatever number of years" does not matter. I would rather have that than the stupid points during LvG or Mourinho's last season, because those things were going nowhere. Ole has a good momentum. Nothing is guaranteed in this sport, but I like what he's doing and I like his trajectory.

Here're things Ole is doing well:

1. Club morale is good. He managed to do what all three of his predecessors failed to achieve.
2. Quality of our players is improving. Once we have enough good players team will play better - it's not rocket science.
3. He is a good tactician. It's not just morale and players. He clearly can set up games so that he can beat the strongest teams.

These are the three main ingredients you need to build a good team and he's got all three. The rest is a matter of time, support, luck etc.

There are zero reasons to sack Ole right now. What I would like to see improved is not the head coach, it's things around him:

1. His coaching staff could be better
2. I have serious doubts about his fitness staff
3. United's recruitment staff is clearly trashy

 

[Nikelesh Reddy]

As a proud member of the “Ole in” brigade, I’m getting tired of seeing the same lazy criticisms of us/the manager gathering likes on the Caf and Twitter.

I wanted to address them all in one place, hopefully some fellow sensible supporters will be able to add their own arguments

1) “The love for Ole is all based on nostalgia and reverence for an ex-Red”

Not true. I’ve never seen a single argument from a pro-Ole supporter saying that he should remain in the job because he is an ex-player/club legend. This argument has been made up by the anti-Ole brigade, who have then proceeded to get angry at their own argument.

2) “Utd have made their worst start/worst away record/worst this/worse that”

Could. Not. Give. A. Monkeys. Anybody who expected any more from this season, with this squad and these players was always setting themselves up for a fall. Re-adjust your expectations based on reality.

3) “Ole is a failed Cardiff manager”

So what? People need to get over this idea that the success or failure of a club begins and ends with the manager.

4) “Jose Mourinho blah blah blah”

I liked Jose but with the benefit of hindsight, he had completely lost the plot in that 3rd season. Also, the man left over a year ago...let’s stop going on about it.

5) “We’re Man Utd, we should be doing X,Y....”

Means nothing. We’re currently an irrelevant club with mediocre players run by a clown and owned by shareholders looking to make a quick dollar. We’ve no divine right to win anything or sign any player because “we’re Man Utd”

6) “Ole is a poor Coach”

No evidence for this. People are obsessed with the idea of coaching but (most) of these players are 20+....you can’t make them play slicker, faster football just by “coaching”. Same way Pep can’t coach his philosophy to certain players, difference is City have been well-run for ten years so their squad needs minor tweaks every year not major surgery.

I”m not part of the “Ole in”,or “Ole out” brigade...I”m obviously fully behind him and I will support him like how I”ve supported every manager over these last 7 years,but obviously Ole will have to consistently get results and performances if he wants to stay on in this job.I wasn’t getting giddy with excitement when we beat City and Spurs a few weeks ago,and I wasn’t depressed when we lost to Watford..,

I have accepted the fact that until some pressing issues are sorted out with this team,we will continue to be inconsistent for a while.Whether Oles the right man for the job or not isnt clear right now....Let’s give him time until the end of the season,and depending on the results,performances and development of our players,let’s take a final call on whether he deserves another season or not...

 

[pacifictheme]

I will be very impressed if you can argue that Pochettino has a better record of integrating youth than OGS considering Spurs practically don't have any young players playing regularly. If we are nice, we can give them Ndombele and Winks

Did he not integrate kane and ali as well? I honestly thought he did but maybe kane was thr previous manager... he can certainly take credit for winks i'd say. I'm struggling for anyone for ole, greenwood if we're being generous (a handful of games this season isn't quite integrated imo, although he does look so good).

 

[pacifictheme]

The biggest test of a managers tactical nouse comes against your biggest rivals (the top 6) and to be honest we’ve been phenomenal against them! One could argue our ability to break down deep lying defences is poor but I honestly believe a couple of creative players would fix that and having Pogba available will be crucial for too

I know what you mean. Its a weird one, feels the way we play suits teams who attack us so it seems like ole has thr beating of better teams, but the fact we often look beyond clueless against shit teams makes me think he does struggle to be flexible or coach players. Hopwfully pogba will change that.

 

[spiriticon]

I”m not part of the “Ole in”,or “Ole out” brigade...I”m obviously fully behind him and I will support him like how I”ve supported every manager over these last 7 years,but obviously Ole will have to consistently get results and performances if he wants to stay on in this job.I wasn’t getting giddy with excitement when we beat City and Spurs a few weeks ago,and I wasn’t depressed when we lost to Watford..,

I have accepted the fact that until some pressing issues are sorted out with this team,we will continue to be inconsistent for a while.Whether Oles the right man for the job or not isnt clear right now....Let’s give him time until the end of the season,and depending on the results,performances and development of our players,let’s take a final call on whether he deserves another season or not...

Great post. Thumbs up.

 

[Stadjer]

That was 5 years ago. And Cardiff had a lot of problems which had nothing to do with Ole. And Ole was appointed the manager in January, so he didn't even get a full season. If you are going to criticize somebody, you should get your facts straight.

I don't give a rat's ass about what happened to Cardiff – it's a stupid stick people try to beat Ole with. I like the work I see him doing with United, right now. I see him not being knee-jerk about short-term problems and investing in the long-term. So before you say it - no, current unstable form and "lowest points in whatever number of years" does not matter. I would rather have that than the stupid points during LvG or Mourinho's last season, because those things were going nowhere. Ole has a good momentum. Nothing is guaranteed in this sport, but I like what he's doing and I like his trajectory.

Here're things Ole is doing well:

1. Club morale is good. He managed to do what all three of his predecessors failed to achieve.
2. Quality of our players is improving. Once we have enough good players team will play better - it's not rocket science.
3. He is a good tactician. It's not just morale and players. He clearly can set up games so that he can beat the strongest teams.

These are the three main ingredients you need to build a good team and he's got all three. The rest is a matter of time, support, luck etc.

There are zero reasons to sack Ole right now. What I would like to see improved is not the head coach, it's things around him:

1. His coaching staff could be better
2. I have serious doubts about his fitness staff
3. United's recruitment staff is clearly trashy

I dont fully agree with the good tactician part. Setting up your team to sit back and shoot the ball forward to some of the quickest players in the league (Rashford and James) doesnt prove that someone is a good tactician. Every manager does that with succes multiple times a season. It is a very old and proven tactic.

A good tactic would be to break down a team which is playing exactly like that. That is the hard part of tactics. Ole hasnt been able to do that. Partly because of the lack of quality of his players but also the lack of a working tactic. Playing Lingard in those games isnt exactly a tactical masterclass either.

You cant claim there isnt any reason at all to sack Ole. The results, league position and overall quality of games could all be a reason. I am not claiming he needs to be sacked but "zero reason" just isnt true.

 

[Mainoldo]

I”m not part of the “Ole in”,or “Ole out” brigade...I”m obviously fully behind him and I will support him like how I”ve supported every manager over these last 7 years,but obviously Ole will have to consistently get results and performances if he wants to stay on in this job.I wasn’t getting giddy with excitement when we beat City and Spurs a few weeks ago,and I wasn’t depressed when we lost to Watford..,

I have accepted the fact that until some pressing issues are sorted out with this team,we will continue to be inconsistent for a while.Whether Oles the right man for the job or not isnt clear right now....Let’s give him time until the end of the season,and depending on the results,performances and development of our players,let’s take a final call on whether he deserves another season or not...

Oh it’s clear he isn’t the right man. As clear as Phil Jones not being our main CB. But good post.

Out of Interest, what are the issues? As except for the overall running of the club Ole’s issues are bigger than the team.. to me.

 

[onetwo3oclock4oclockrock]

Ole in, or Ole out.
I hope everyone, sackers or backers, will give Ole the respect he deserves for actually putting the long term success of the club ahead of his own personal short term success. He could have done it the easy way, brought in some short term saviors like Mandžukić, kept Lukaku, etc, but choose to put his own reputation at risk to bring us back were we belong, by going the long route, and accepting the inconsistency of a young and thin squad, until he finds the right group of players.

That is very brave, very unselfish, and deserves a big "thank you", and not a "moron", even if you think he is not good enough.

 

[GazTheLegend]

Ole in, or Ole out.
I hope everyone, sackers or backers, will give Ole the respect he deserves for actually putting the long term success of the club ahead of his own personal short term success. He could have done it the easy way, brought in some short term saviors like Mandžukić, kept Lukaku, etc, but choose to put his own reputation at risk to bring us back were we belong, by going the long route, and accepting the inconsistency of a young and thin squad, until he finds the right group of players.

That is very brave, very unselfish, and deserves a big "thank you", and not a "moron", even if you think he is not good enough.

Completely agree.

He's come in and played the hatchet man - anyone in any line of business knows how necessary hatchet men are, but it can be career suicide in some respects as you get typecast that way. And you don't get credit for future success, even if you make the changes which are necessary to improve any other aspect going forward.

Essentially, Solskjaer has MASSIVE trimmed our wage budget, and lost a number of key personnel in key positions - which nobody can deny wasn't necessary. You can complain that he maybe needed to be more forceful with his recruitment but looking at it in the way of business, he's trimmed what, a million, two million pounds -every week- and kept us competitive, which is a minor miracle.

 

[lysglimt]

Did he not integrate kane and ali as well? I honestly thought he did but maybe kane was thr previous manager... he can certainly take credit for winks i'd say. I'm struggling for anyone for ole, greenwood if we're being generous (a handful of games this season isn't quite integrated imo, although he does look so good).

Alli yes I ll give you that one - Kane was 21 at the time and had made a breakthrough the season before but ok we can add him for arguments sake.

But if you are gonna use Winks and Kane - then you also need to add Tuanzebe, AWB, James, Rashford, McTominay - because these player are/were basically at the same age as Kane and Winks when they made a breakthrough. And we have Greenwood, Williams, Garner all getting chances..