Cut out the insults, it's frankly tedious.
The “Ole In” Brigade
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Traditionally yes, although he defintion of literally changed a few years ago as so many people were using it like that, when speaking figuratively. I blame Jamie Redknapp.
The original meaning is still there, but they added a colloquial section to also include the times when people don't mean that:
https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/109061
Merriam-Webster did it too.
Literally literally doesn't just mean literally now.
Ha ha. I nearly respond it but then i realised there is no point. He will see what Poch can do with this team next season
Yes. Look at posts in all Ole threads. Most of posts from us( there are always some bad examples of course) are about Ole and Ole only.You really believe that's true?
On the other hand, usual answers are based to insult poster. ( "pathetic, negative, moaner, glory hunter, not true fan, go support City", etc...etc...).
It's based on nonsense. Pochettino was only a success at Spurs, by Spurs measure of expectations. Qualifying for the CL and winning nothing. By United's measure of expectations he would have been a failure.
Ole took over United last season and in the games he was in charge produced form that would have had them 3rd and a long way ahead of 4th. This season he's started building a team and remains well in the hunt for 4th and still in every competition United entered. This is what makes the Pochettino cult so deluded, because IF you were to judge Ole by the same standards you have to judge Pochettino to consider him succesful, then you also HAVE to conclude that Ole isn't actually doing a bad job. Definitely not a bad enough one to consider turfing him out. He's doing no worse than you could reasonably expect from Pochettino. Either that or you have to adopt complete double standards, or just reinvent reality, to reach a different conclusion..
Hence where the strawman CL final argument comes from. Only, the best team Spurs beat on route to that was City, and they didn't deserve to, and if you go back through the CL you find it's littered with teams who got to semi finals, finals, etc. even won it, despite having managers who'd definitely not be in the class people claim getting to a CL final puts Pochettino in. At this point it's deliberate ignorance/making things up to suit, as this is just a fact. Last time we won the CL the team we played in the final was managed by Avram fecking Grant.
Here is the problem; pretending Pochettino has done much better than he has, wont magically make it true if he becomes our manager. Pretending that when Ole beats City away it's a fluke and when Pochettino beats City away it's genius, doesn't change the results of any games.
This shite really seriously needs to stop. It's embarassing.
We will continue to tickle the hole of the top four teams but when push comes to shove we won't be in the top four all season or if we do get a chance to get into the top four the spineless cowards in the team will mess up as usual.
I expect a sixth place finish.
Edit: Get rid of Ole, players are all over the place with no plan against the smaller teams, couldn't motivate his own wiener to get a boner I reckon.
I expect a sixth place finish.
Edit: Get rid of Ole, players are all over the place with no plan against the smaller teams, couldn't motivate his own wiener to get a boner I reckon.
Close the forum guys, We can't have opinions on Pochettino. Always emotional responses along with insults. Well done DT.
PS : Bringing other facts about Ole = auto ignore and going back to the same shit every time
PS : Bringing other facts about Ole = auto ignore and going back to the same shit every time
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He was managing Spurs though? How else should we be measuring him? He did incredibly well with the resources available to him, and I think it's pretty reductionist to merely boil his tenure down to "qualifying for the CL and winning nothing". At worst it's doing Poch a massive disservice, at best just willfully ignoring the progress they made under him. He turned them from laughing stock into Champions League finalists, whilst being heavily outspent by clubs either side of him. He built a great side, and although it ran out of steam last season, I don't think it takes a lot to acknowledge what he achieved there, even if it didn't manifest in silverware.
Now, is that evidence that he's got what it takes to fire us back to the top? That's another question. But I don't think we need to pretend that what he did at Spurs was ordinary, or just what their fans would expect. He's loved by Spurs fans for a reason.
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Nope, its based on reality.
Some want to back a young talented manager and some want him fired.
But they all agree our squad aint good enough...
Poch or Ole, neither would get this squad good enough to challenge for the title. In the long run, I think Ole is the correct choice to build the future. Few, very few, would play as many youngsters as Ole.
Ask Rashford,Martial, Greenwood, Williams and Scott who they want to manage us. .
You'll end up disapointed
The thread is still in heated discussion.
I came into conclusion:
Ole In: Delusional, clueless, accepting mediocrity, no ambition.
Ole out: We know what's best for the club because we can see it that others can't.
No point in arguing.
So I'll just sit down here and read this shit show.
I came into conclusion:
Ole In: Delusional, clueless, accepting mediocrity, no ambition.
Ole out: We know what's best for the club because we can see it that others can't.
No point in arguing.
So I'll just sit down here and read this shit show.
Traditionally yes, although he defintion of literally changed a few years ago as so many people were using it like that, when speaking figuratively. I blame Jamie Redknapp.
The original meaning is still there, but they added a colloquial section to also include the times when people don't mean that:
https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/109061
Merriam-Webster did it too.
Literally literally doesn't just mean literally now.
These were exactly the same players available during the Watford result?
If we are assigning camps i think there are more than two
1. Ole in who will defend him to death regardless. One upping Ole out people has become a sport and thus personal
2. Ole in who think hes doing alright and deserves more time, but is not quite sure.
3. Ole out who dont thinks hes the wrong man, but desperately wants him to prove them wrong.
4. Ole out people who wants him to fail so they can say "told you so". To them one upping Ole in people is also sport
5. Poch loyalists
1. Ole in who will defend him to death regardless. One upping Ole out people has become a sport and thus personal
2. Ole in who think hes doing alright and deserves more time, but is not quite sure.
3. Ole out who dont thinks hes the wrong man, but desperately wants him to prove them wrong.
4. Ole out people who wants him to fail so they can say "told you so". To them one upping Ole in people is also sport
5. Poch loyalists
Hey guys, this guy here badly needs some attention.
Do you want a trophy buddy? A top red medal, or maybe a genius trophy?
Bragging about how deep your support goes for a club, and boasting about your intelligence, has got to be the 2 most cringiest things on an internet forum.
Ha ha. I nearly respond it but then i realised there is no point. He will see what Poch can do with this team next season
Yeah there's really no point in trying to debate, if some are gonna think that Ole is better than Poch. Poch could do very well at his next team, while we continue looming in mediocrity again next season, and there will still be more excuses for Ole. A truly tiresome bunch.
It is not always about who is better than who etc. it is about who is the best fit. Look atnl Clough at Leeds
There there, santa will being you lots of presents and mummy will make it all ok and let you win.
This is pretty much where I am at with Ole. Do I think he is the greatest tactical brain of all time? No. But then again, in modern football you have a team of analysts and coaches to help here.
Ole has made several decisions that where brave and that I like. We’ve fielded 10 of the 20 youngest XIs in the league this year which can only bode well for the future. We’ve had a turbulent few years, Ole is trying to put the fundamentals back in place. Let’s let him do that for a year or so longer and if we’re still not looking like at least challenging for 3rd then we think about a new manager take us to the next level
I just don’t understand why the rush and all the venom from the Ole out posters. I feel he is getting all the abuse for 6/7 years of frustration tbh.
I’ve cross referenced a few of the more vocal “Ole out” posters with other threads. I then compared them with people who are vocally Ole in.
Ole out posters are 301% more likely to post in the FIFA and Football Manager threads.
Ole out posters are 50% more active in the transfer forum. This rises to 87% if you look at the Sancho thread. 103% if you are only looking at posts where they post potential lineups for next year with guesses at how much those players will cost.
Ole in posters are on average writing posts with 204% high level vocabulary compared to the average Ole out poster.
This is where it gets really interesting - Ole out posters are 50% more likely to listen to Jordan Peterson, play Mario games and are 305% more likely to be a virgin.
Ole out posters are 301% more likely to post in the FIFA and Football Manager threads.
Ole out posters are 50% more active in the transfer forum. This rises to 87% if you look at the Sancho thread. 103% if you are only looking at posts where they post potential lineups for next year with guesses at how much those players will cost.
Ole in posters are on average writing posts with 204% high level vocabulary compared to the average Ole out poster.
This is where it gets really interesting - Ole out posters are 50% more likely to listen to Jordan Peterson, play Mario games and are 305% more likely to be a virgin.
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Because Poch is world class when it comes to building teams of sexy bottlers on a shoestring. Which is obviously what we want, because we suck the Glazers' cocks and want to become the new Arsenal.
This isn't to say Poch can't succeed of course, merely that he's not proven at the top level. There isn't a single coach around and available that is proven at the top level IMO. Allegri and that sort of option just aren't and never will be United coaches.
Spot on and Ole out posters are 900% more likely to be supporting Liverpool or Man City next season
Pages of heated debate about our manager after a 4-1 win. It’s absolutely pathetic.
There must be some mistake, 105% more likely to be a virgin seems far too low.
But supporting Ole with no evidence is ok? Make your mind up.
100% Plus the agitation constantly peddled by pundits and media to "keep things exciting"
Ha ha. I nearly respond it but then i realised there is no point. He will see what Poch can do with this team next season
Well - if Pochettino is as brilliant as people think, he should easily get a top job long before next summer. If OGS is replaced - it should be with a proper manager - not someone who had a couple of good seasons in his entire career.
I'm not going to judge from one match and I'm still Ole out. But one thing to point out is that we're are at our best when we put in effort. We put in effort against top 6 teams and we win most of them. We put in effort when Ole first came in and we went on a winning run
We put in effort and we came from behind to beat Psg without Pogba.
You might say who isn't at their best when they put in effort? But this squad isn't nearly as good as some of the teams we've beaten under Ole. It's that dedication that gets us those victories. We won the league with a declining squad under Ferguson and came from behind a number of times because of this dedication and Van Persje of course. It's the United way and why I fell in love with this club
Ole understands that very much. He wants to get quality players that would die on the pitch. From what I've seen Ole isn't like Guardiola that is all about tactics winning games. His more of the type of coach that thinks if you have quality players giving their 1000% then they can win everything and tactics is only like 20% of the gist.
We put in effort and we came from behind to beat Psg without Pogba.
You might say who isn't at their best when they put in effort? But this squad isn't nearly as good as some of the teams we've beaten under Ole. It's that dedication that gets us those victories. We won the league with a declining squad under Ferguson and came from behind a number of times because of this dedication and Van Persje of course. It's the United way and why I fell in love with this club
Ole understands that very much. He wants to get quality players that would die on the pitch. From what I've seen Ole isn't like Guardiola that is all about tactics winning games. His more of the type of coach that thinks if you have quality players giving their 1000% then they can win everything and tactics is only like 20% of the gist.
hahaha oh you’re so funny & witty. Hilarious.
Or maybe those who want Ole out just want the best for our club to be the best it can be?
Its interesting how everyone seemed to choose a 'side' so early on but still we have the same debate after every match. We are presented with masses of new data every single week and yet nobody changes their stance. It's such a pointless debate because nobody here actually believes the club are going to fire him, so accept it and get behind the team.
We are performing exactly how any neutral would expect us to given the thinness of our squad and the lack of experience overall. We are inconsistent. We make horrendous individual errors that cost us points. We cant put a run of results together. Brilliant one week, hopeless the next. None of this should come as a shock.
As a fanbase we are saying what exactly? Fire the manager because he isn't of sufficiently stunning quality to elevate this squad above what it so obviously is? Replace him with someone else who also isn't just because change must always equal good?
It's the plan that is the most important part of this, not who is executing it. I'm backing Ole 100% because he believes in the plan and is seeing it through and making the right decisions to take that to the next phase. There is no guarantee that the next one would.
We are performing exactly how any neutral would expect us to given the thinness of our squad and the lack of experience overall. We are inconsistent. We make horrendous individual errors that cost us points. We cant put a run of results together. Brilliant one week, hopeless the next. None of this should come as a shock.
As a fanbase we are saying what exactly? Fire the manager because he isn't of sufficiently stunning quality to elevate this squad above what it so obviously is? Replace him with someone else who also isn't just because change must always equal good?
It's the plan that is the most important part of this, not who is executing it. I'm backing Ole 100% because he believes in the plan and is seeing it through and making the right decisions to take that to the next phase. There is no guarantee that the next one would.
Last three paragraphs spot on
Seriously some are still questioning the loyalty of the current fans who have endured 6 years of being crap because they want the current manager out for the best of the club? If we were glory hunters we would have moved to supporting another club at any point of the last 6 years, not waiting 7 years to move on to another club. We are far past such point.
Disagree 100%.
With a better manager in by
Disagree 100%. A better manager would have us much higher up the table with us vying for Chelsea & Spurs all the way.
Well you and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum on this so no surprise you disagree. Its an easy position for you to have though since there is no way to prove or disprove it. Its nowhere close to being as straightforward as 'I think X is a better manager than Ole and he would definitely have delivered better results with the same set of cards'.
its more of an easy position for you to say ‘ well it isn’t going to get any better & Ole is best person for it’ it’s also kinda defeatist.
There are much better managers out there so I feel like our ambition is seeping out of our club
[/QUOTE] Disagree 100%. A better manager would have us much higher up the table with us vying for Chelsea & Spurs all the way.
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And this is in a nutshell the difference between me/some other Ole-in posters and most Ole out posters
We fully acknowledge had we kept Lukaku, Sanchez, Smalling, Herrera, Valencia and Fellaini plus had Conte in the dugout we might now be “vying with Chelsea”
I personally would rather have all those players gone, three good players in at the right sort of age, a manager that’s not constantly agitating for quick fixes and still only be four points behind Chelsea
You’re right in the sense that other managers would have us challenging for 4th but who really honestly cares about that? I want to be sat here in three years talking about a title challenge, not whether we can scrape 4th
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And this is in a nutshell the difference between me/some other Ole-in posters and most Ole out posters
We fully acknowledge had we kept Lukaku, Sanchez, Smalling, Herrera, Valencia and Fellaini plus had Conte in the dugout we might now be “vying with Chelsea”
I personally would rather have all those players gone, three good players in at the right sort of age, a manager that’s not constantly agitating for quick fixes and still only be four points behind Chelsea
You’re right in the sense that other managers would have us challenging for 4th but who really honestly cares about that? I want to be sat here in three years talking about a title challenge, not whether we can scrape 4th
We're basically having a mirror season of Chelsea who also have a young squad lacking quality depth. Difference is they have a bit more quality and experience in the squad with the likes of Willian, Kanté, Jorginho etc than we do and consequently they're doing a bit better in the league. On the other hand we've fecked them off out of a cup already and we've played some fantastic big games which I really think is a sign that we can win something soon, even if it isn't the league. I'll take an actual trophy over the top 4 trophy any day.
People keep saying this and the only names that pop up are Klopp and Pochettino FFS. Name a serious candidate - and if you say Allegri I'm going to be soaked below the belt from laughing, never in a million years a Man United coach.