The “Ole In” Brigade

[tenpoless]

What is this deranged notion that what Ole has done/is doing is something that only he has the master plans for, and no one else is capable of replicating it or, as with almost any manager you might care to mention, taking over and doing a much better job of it

Well, let' see :
1. Plays counter attacking football : Any manager can do that
2. Plays youth : If the youth players are good enough, any manager can do that
3. Not negative in press conferences : Anyone but a select few can do that
4. Be a United Legend so people can afford you more chances and the Skysports squad won't attack you : Only Ole can do that

Oh feck, no. 4 is only him so there goes our chance of ever signing another manager then. We must give him a 30 years contract. Relegation form? Could. Not. Give. A. Monkeys. Get it done Woody.

 

[The_Midfielder]

Well, let' see :
1. Plays counter attacking football : Any manager can do that
2. Plays youth : If the youth players are good enough, any manager can do that
3. Not negative in press conferences : Anyone but a select few can do that
4. Be a United Legend so people can afford you more chances and the Skysports squad won't attack you : Only Ole can do that

Oh feck, no. 4 is only him so there goes our chance of ever signing another manager then. We must give him a 30 years contract. Relegation form? Could. Not. Give. A. Monkeys. Get it done Woody.

Part 1, Yes, we saw LVG, Mourniho, Moyes perform fast counter attacking..
Part 2, Do you think if Mourinho would still be here, we would have Greenwood get a game ? Lukaku, Matic and Sanchez would still be playing..

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I'm 'Ole in' as far as I am fed up of our club becoming a managerial merry-go-round with no discernable upturn in results. We've had tumescent, largely unsuccessful (League Cup and Europa League barely count) football for the last 6.5 years. I want a bit of continuity, rather than scrapping everything AGAIN and pretending the only problem is the manager.

This tired argument once again. I'd at least respect people backing Ole who do that basis actually believing in his capabilies as a manager. But backing the current manager because
A) We are a managerial merry go round
B) We played tumescent football being largely unsuccessful
C) Lacking continuity before him

is such an illogical and incoherent position for take since

A) What you call managerial merry go round is simply the modern game and it's time people face reality. There's his obsession with manager change fatigue borne largely out of this pipe dream that post SAF we were going arrive on one guy we would be with (nearly) forever once again. Managers last 2-4 seasons now. It's the norme. Unless they're exceptional or terrible.

B) it makes no sense to want to stick with you current manager because your previous managers played poor football with some success considering the current manager is playing poor football with (as of now) no success. Hate what the old guys did=current guy is great?

C) lacking contuinity is not a good thing. However continuity for the same of continuity is an even worse thing. Should we have stuck with Moyes for 15 years because... Contuinity? It's a nice concept but needs to accompanied with competence.

You talk like £150m is a fortune in todays game and should guarantee success. Aston Villa spent £144m, Arsenal £138m, City £135m, Everton £118m, even Leicester spent £91m. You also choose to ignore Chelsea (3rd and Europa league winners) bought a £60m winger and quality players back from loan. .

It's a lot of money and enough to guarantee PROGRESS under a quality manager. Sadly we don't have one.

 

[tenpoless]

Part 1, Yes, we saw LVG, Mourniho, Moyes perform fast counter attacking..
Part 2, Do you think if Mourinho would still be here, we would have Greenwood get a game ? Lukaku, Matic and Sanchez would still be playing..

Greenwood was what..? 14? 15? when Mou came here? He was 17 at the start of last season wasn't He? so it's hard to say.

 

[JPRouve]

You talk like £150m is a fortune in todays game and should guarantee success. Aston Villa spent £144m, Arsenal £138m, City £135m, Everton £118m, even Leicester spent £91m. You also choose to ignore Chelsea (3rd and Europa league winners) bought a £60m winger and quality players back from loan. Keep telling yourself that this squad is a cut above the rest though. I've no doubt you'll be demanding the next manager sacked in no time.

150M is a fortune and the examples that you gave are actually the proof of it. Aston Villa spent 144 on 12 players, City on 6 players, Everton on 6 players Leicester on 4 players, Arsenal on 5 players and United on 3 players. United has by far the largest amount of money spent per player at 47m which is clearly a fortune, everyone else is in the 20s or below.

 

[Leftback99]

It's a lot of money and enough to guarantee PROGRESS under a quality manager. Sadly we don't have one.

It's really not enough money to guarantee anything at top 6 level of the PL. £70m net including losing Herrera, Sanchez and Smalling for basically nothing.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

One thing I would like to mention is that when Mourinho was sacked and Ole was appointed, he had 2 days to prepare the team to face Cardiff which is a very very limited amount of time for Ole to instill any of his tactics in the team. We went in to trash Cardiff 5 - 1 and played the best football I've seen since Ferguson.

Fast forward to the end of the season when Ole has gotten enough time to instill his tactics into the team. We played that same Cardiff already confirmed to be relegated and lost 2 - 0.

We could have gone to qualify for the champions league if we beat both Cardiff and Huddersfield both of which had already been confirmed to be relegated at that time. This all happened with Pogba in the team by the way. But Pogba's injury is the reason we can't break down small oppositions today.

We've all forgotten that these problems have been there since last season. It's the same thing that's happening now. We've had chances to be in the top 4 and all we had to do is beat smaller oppositions but we keep failing and trying the same tactics over and over again.

If you think anyone is Ole out because of the current results then you're myopic. We've made absolutely no progress from last season. We still can't beat lower oppositions, we still can't keep clean sheets after spending 130m on defense, we still play without any urgency, we still play only counter attack against big teams, we still don't play an attractive style. Zero progress on the pitch and now Ole has just written this season off.

The Ole In Brigade is the definition of delusional.

 

[Gehrman]

One thing I would like to mention is that when Mourinho was sacked and Ole was appointed, he had 2 days to prepare the team to face Cardiff which is a very very limited amount of time for Ole to instill any of his tactics in the team. We went in to trash Cardiff 5 - 1 and played the best football I've seen since Ferguson.

Fast forward to the end of the season when Ole has gotten enough time to instill his tactics into the team. We played that same Cardiff already confirmed to be relegated and lost 2 - 0.

We could have gone to qualify for the champions league if we beat both Cardiff and Huddersfield both of which had already been confirmed to be relegated at that time. This all happened with Pogba in the team by the way. But Pogba's injury is the reason we can't break down small oppositions today.

We've all forgotten that these problems have been there since last season. It's the same thing that's happening now. We've had chances to be in the top 4 and all we had to do is beat smaller oppositions but we keep failing and trying the same tactics over and over again.

If you think anyone is Ole out because of the current results then you're myopic. We've made absolutely no progress from last season. We still can't beat lower oppositions, we still can't keep clean sheets after spending 130m on defense, we still play without any urgency, we still play only counter attack against big teams, we still don't play an attractive style. Zero progress on the pitch and now Ole has just written this season off.

The Ole In Brigade is the definition of delusional.

This really. It seems the longer time that Ole has had to implement his style the worse we have become. I don't see the argument that only Klopp and Pep could come in and perform better than Ole. It's delusional. Nobody wanted him here when Mourinho was first sacked and everyone wanted Poch. It's fair to say that Poch just got fired from his only poor season, but still managed top 4 and a CL final before that with a depleted squad. If not Poch there are still many other managers far more qualified if they want to come here.

 

[tenpoless]

I'm neither Ole in nor out, but most of the "Ole in brigade" cannot back up their argument. It is really annoying. They think people who are considering new managers are driven by emotions after losses but They're the ones fully driven by emotions and attachment to the past. They don't want any other manager than Ole.They see it as not a possibility at all but nothing to back it up. Just like the OP.

1. When people ask them about why are We in such form? They answer the players are shit
2. When people ask why do We seem to only have one tactic surely it's only the players? They answer the players aren't good enough, no new manager can help them (God knows what the feck happened when Ole was the caretaker manager)
3. When people ask why didn't We sign more players if the ones We had weren't good enough? They answer We signed a few and 150m isn't enough
4. When people argue it's good enough and provide them with example of clubs that have spent similar or lower amount that have done better than us considering their overall squad is still worse than us after spending, They answer We sold Lukaku, losing Sanchez, Herrera and the squad is in such a shit state after the previous managers
5. When people bring the fact that We finished 2nd once with Jose as the manager and We're currently in a worse state than the previous ones, They answer Jose didn't play youth, (the other managers) didn't understand United way. Ole's way is United way and He understands the club. You (We) can see the progress from him clearing the deadwoods

After that you can go back to question one and put it on repeat. Add to that is the fact that same people used to hate on Jose for throwing players under the bus (and to play boring, nonsense, defensive football), and now They blame it on the players every time. Hypocrisy. The difference? this time it's Ole. What else?

 

[JG3001]

I find the Ole in argument as logical as the “red must come up next because we’ve had 4 blacks in a row” argument in roulette. We’re sticking on the belief that it has to come good, not the evidence or statistics.

I find it incredible we still can’t find a manager who can coach an attack, most other teams in the top flight seem pretty damn capable with much more limited resources.

I do acknowledge there are wider problems amongst the team and board levels however..

@jamesjimmybyrondean last paragraph sums it up perfectly.

 

[Leftback99]

I'm neither Ole in nor out, but most of the "Ole in brigade" cannot back up their argument. It is really annoying. They think people who are considering new managers are driven by emotions after losses but They're the ones fully driven by emotions and attachment to the past. They don't want any other manager than Ole.They see it as not a possibility at all but nothing to back it up. Just like the OP.

1. When people ask them about why are We in such form? They answer the players are shit
2. When people ask why do We seem to only have one tactic surely it's only the players? They answer the players aren't good enough, no new manager can help them (God knows what the feck happened when Ole was the caretaker manager)
3. When people ask why didn't We sign more players if the ones We had weren't good enough? They answer We signed a few and 150m isn't enough
4. When people argue it's good enough and provide them with example of clubs that have spent similar or lower amount that have done better than us considering their overall squad is still worse than us after spending, They answer We sold Sanchez, Lukaku, losing Herrera and the squad is in such a shit state after the previous managers
5. When people bring the fact that We finished 2nd once with Jose as the manager and We're currently in a worse state than the previous ones, They answer Jose didn't play youth, (the other managers) didn't understand United way. Ole's way is United way and He understands the club. You (We) can see the progress from him clearing the deadwoods

After that you can go back to question one and put it on repeat. Add to that is the fact that same people used to hate on Jose for throwing players under the bus, and now They blame it on the players every time. Hypocrisy. The difference? this time it's Ole. What else?

If you're not out you are in, pointless pretending you are on both sides.

So argue what you would have done/would do differently to Ole.

Where did you think this squad would finish pre season? How many points are we away from that position?
Which manager do you want in instead? How is he doing this season?
Which players would you have bought?
What line up would you play today with what we have?

 

[Josep Dowling]

Take away Ole’s connection to the club and there is absolutely no chance he would still be here.

8% win rate when we have had most possession since he took charge permanently.

7% win rate by winning without scoring a penalty since he took charge permanently.

Those two statistics just sums up his tenure. We are winning by counter attacks and penalties. That is not the Manchester United way that so many try to portray Ole is wanting to imitate.

 

[dove]

You can be Ole in, it’s your opinion after all and everyone is entitled to have one. But why do you feel you must excuse Ole from all the blame? I have seen everything here, Newcastle have a better squad, Watford have a better squad, we should not expect to beat Watford, he deserves at least 3 years, no manager would do better with our squad etc etc. All of that is BS and you surely know that as well so why talk nonsense like that? The majority of all the pointless discussions we have here starts from “Ole in brigade” delusion and nonsense filled posts.

 

[Leftback99]

You can be Ole in, it’s your opinion after all and everyone is entitled to have one. But why do you feel you must excuse Ole from all the blame? I have seen everything here, Newcastle have a better squad, Watford have a better squad, we should not expect to beat Watford, he deserves at least 3 years, no manager would do better with our squad etc etc. All of that is BS and you surely know that as well so why talk nonsense like that? The majority of all the pointless discussions we have here starts from “Ole in brigade” delusion and nonsense filled posts.

No you haven't.

 

[spiriticon]

Hilarious. You think Ole's park the bus and counter is good enough to give him more time but you hated Mourinho's approach?

I think you misunderstand. I'm not talking about the tactics, I'm talking about vision. Mourinho preferred to play with older, experienced players which is fine but I prefer to see a younger team in development even if they are not the finished article and have more flaws.

 

[JPRouve]

If you're not out you are in, pointless pretending you are on both sides.

So argue what you would have done/would do differently to Ole.

Where did you think this squad would finish pre season? How many points are we away from that position?
Which manager do you want in instead? How is he doing this season?
Which players would you have bought?
What line up would you play today with what we have?

Not necessarily. I'm neither in nor out for the simple reason that I don't trust Ole's abilities and I'm also not sure about who would be the ideal replacement if he was sacked, I like Pochettino but I feel that our team needs someone that is a bit more fiery, the club seems to be in a state of apathy.

 

[dove]

No you haven't.

I have, just like “ De Gea is the worst GK in the league” gem which was used to excuse Ole.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's really not enough money to guarantee anything at top 6 level of the PL. £70m net including losing Herrera, Sanchez and Smalling for basically nothing.

It sure is. Actually a quality manager in itself generally ensures progress. But when you hire one even 159 million spent on a defence doesn't result in any. All said and done we are where we were when meltdown Mourinho left.

 

[Josep Dowling]

He is not a Klopp/Pep, but he has done a few things right.. buy hungry players and smart recruitment and sell deadwood on high salaries. Lukaku, Sanchez,
This was never going to be fixed in a season .. but we finally have a good core ..
Ddg( Henderson) Maguire, Awb, Mct, Pogba(might leave) , Rashford ..
Now we need to buy smartly the next window and if we get the right players .. we might compete for top 4 consistently..

If his recruitment has been that great why are we conceding so many goals? £130m spent on two first team defenders and our defensive record hasn’t improved. We rarely keep clean sheets anymore. He buys a wing back who can’t go forward so now neither full backs offer anything in attack, a very important factor in modern football. He’s bought a CB lacking pace when Lindelof also lacks pace. Those two factors means our entire defence sit deep all game. The lines don’t push up as a team because the defence are too concerned about being forward. This all contributes to the lack of attacking threat as there simply isn’t enough players going forward. How many players do you see in the box when we are out wide? One if we are lucky.

And James is a Championship player. I know everyone loves him on here because he’s British and runs round a lot. What impact has he had in recent games? He hasn’t scored for something like 17 games now. I don’t see why expectation of players should drop just because he cost less than others.

 

[Judas]

Play LVG's plan with this current squad and we'd be a much team than we currently are.

 

[spiriticon]

Except it’s not ”the same thing” is it? Each time it’s a new manager so it’s nothing like ”the same thing”.
Liverpool are in fact proof right in front of your very eyes that sacking underperforming managers left, right and centre until you come upon the right one is nothing like ”insanity”.

Absolutely ridiculous phrase to use in this case, it is however more apt for Ole’s tactics against a low block side, pure fexking insanity.

And it took Liverpool nearly 30 years to come upon the right one. Are we really going to follow the path they took over the last 3 decades? I thought the point was NOT to be Liverpool and wait 30 years for the next title challenge?

For me, sacking managers over and over again in the hope of hitting the jackpot is insanity in itself, since there is no guarantee of success or change with every new manager through the door. What is guaranteed, however, is tons and tons of big money compensation payouts which could be used for transfers.

 

[beer&grill]

No manager could do a better job than Ole is doing right now.
Ok, then no other player could do a better job than Pereira, Shaw or Young.

We tried world class managers before and failed so better stick with Ole.
If Ole fails, what’s the next step following this (great) logic? I think Marcus Rashford as player manager, I mean we have tried 4 managers before, it’s time to try something new. Or maybe we should hire a bus driver or an economics teacher. As far as the guy is from being an world class football manager, the better, or at least so I’ve been told.

SAF needed 6 years to become succesful(and no, it doesn’t matter what he achieved prior to Manchester United because it doesn’t fit my agenda).

Sylvester Stallone lived 3 weeks on the street before becoming a succesful actor. I’m gonna kickstart my acting career by living under a bridge for the next month.

 

[tenpoless]

If you're not out you are in, pointless pretending you are on both sides.

So argue what you would have done/would do differently to Ole.

Where did you think this squad would finish pre season? How many points are we away from that position?
Which manager do you want in instead? How is he doing this season?
Which players would you have bought?
What line up would you play today with what we have?

I'm not pretending. Right now I don't want to see Ole getting sacked before the season ends. Who are We going to appoint anyway? Carrick? Phelan? same people, same tactics, pointless. But I can see the possibility of improvement if We appoint coaches like Poch, Ten Haag. If the performances stay the same or only marginally better till the end of season, then I'll be Ole out 100%.

1. Seeing what Ole could do shortly after becoming a caretaker, I expected him to be a capable manager. I thought the reason why We played on the counter last season was because He had to rush, to teach something that the players could grasp fast. I didn't think it was going to be his ONLY tactic. During preseason, I expected at least top 6 at worst (assuming Arsenal and Tottenham won't be so shit). But most importantly I didn't expect us to get done over and over again by 'smaller' teams.

2. I think any of these are tactically better than Ole:

1. Pochettino - sacked by Tottenham. But I don't only see this season, overall He's done very well at Tottenham. With more funds and backing I'd expect him to at least do as good a job as He did at Tottenham, again not only counting this season
2. Ten Haag - AJAX is currently top of the league. I think He will thrive with our current forward line (still lacking creative midfielders). Will help us get Ziyech which I think is a no brainer signing

3. Sign : Maguire, James, Ziyech (or Fekir), Sancho (if possible), Tielemans, Meunier
Keep : Lukaku (as a sub) because I didn't see any other option, Smalling
Loan/Sell : Sanchez, Jones

4.Against smaller teams when They defend deep? I'm not a coach but since you asked. 4-4-2

De Gea
AWB---Lindelof---Maguire---Shaw
James---McTom---Fred---Rashford
Pogba (SS)
Martial
​

Pogba can be a threat in the air from crosses. James should excel at playing as a classic winger. Rashford playing more like a wide forward. Ideally I'd want :

De Gea
Meunier---Smalling---Maguire---Shaw
Tielemans---McTom
Pogba
Ziyech----Martial----Rashford​

Lukaku, James option on the bench.

 

[glazed]

There is no evidence that I am a poor coach either. Perhaps I could have a go?

 

[Rocknrolla69er]

Well it was OGS who sold/loaned all of those players, it was his decision, though perhaps, you can't blame for matching Herrera contract demands. I think it's fair to put some of the blame on injuries, but it is also OGS who thinned the squad, and don't you think all the other teams have injury problems as well?

What I'm saying is, I think we are better than 8th place. I don't think OGS will be sacked now, but if results don't improve the rest of season, I don't feel we have any reason to back him as a our manager going forward.

If Pogba and Martial had played all the games fair enough, but with this squad that you say is good enough, the replacements obviously haven't been, we have no depth in quality, as I said Ole's only mistake is thinking his board would secure signings to add depth and quality, they haven't, so I'm willing to stay patient until THEY have signed more players of quality

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

And it took Liverpool nearly 30 years to come upon the right one. Are we really going to follow the path they took over the last 3 decades?

With Solksjaer that's exactly what we're doing @spiriticon, copying the Souness/Evans nostaligic way of getting in someone "who knows the club" and sticking with them so long due to the Liverpool "next season" project.

Liverpool's best times in the past 30 years have been when they focused on getting in the best manager available, first with Benitez from Valencia, and then with Klopp. Liverpool's shittest times have been the nostalgic times and the Hodgson shit manager times.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Completely Delusional.

how anyone can still support this loser and actually back him is beyond me. He’s the worst manager in the league ffs.

 

[Rocknrolla69er]

And still they drone on as if Ole has magically inherited replacement players hahahaha brilliant

 

[Judas]

If you're not out you are in, pointless pretending you are on both sides.

So argue what you would have done/would do differently to Ole.

Where did you think this squad would finish pre season? How many points are we away from that position?
Which manager do you want in instead? How is he doing this season?
Which players would you have bought?
What line up would you play today with what we have?

This is utterly pathetic, and again a tired and simply annoying way of trying to divide the fanbase and make this place even more toxic than it has been the last few years. Doesn't it get dull?

 

[He'sRaldo]

Interestingly, Ole still has a chance for a few cups and we've topped our Europa group. It's only the league we're really struggling in.

If we win Europa (thereby getting CL) and get to the final of another cup while being average in the league (like 6th-8th), what will you guys think of his first full season, results-wise?

 

[Gehrman]

Interestingly, Ole still has a chance for a few cups and we've topped our Europa group. It's only the league we're really struggling in.

If we win Europa (thereby getting CL) and get to the final of another cup while being average in the league (like 6th-8th), what will you guys think of his first full season, results-wise?

Shit to average. I thought that as well of Mourinho's 1st season.

 

[BlueHaze]

Interestingly, Ole still has a chance for a few cups and we've topped our Europa group. It's only the league we're really struggling in.

If we win Europa (thereby getting CL) and get to the final of another cup while being average in the league (like 6th-8th), what will you guys think of his first full season, results-wise?

If we won the EL I'd rate the season a success considering the shit storm we are in but thats never going to happen. The moment we get drawn against a decent team I think we're out.

 

[90 + 5min]

This is utterly pathetic, and again a tired and simply annoying way of trying to divide the fanbase and make this place even more toxic than it has been the last few years. Doesn't it get dull?

I think Ole out-people is the one you should be looking at. Lots of supporters have beautifle names for us who are on Ole's and ManUtd side. We have been called delusional. Clueless. Idiots. Stupid... But it is okey.

 

[He'sRaldo]

If we won the EL I'd rate the season a success considering the shit storm we are in but thats never going to happen. The moment we get drawn against a decent team I think we're out.

We're good against decent teams under Ole, so I wouldn't count us out in cup competitions.

 

[spiriticon]

With Solksjaer that's exactly what we're doing @spiriticon, copying the Souness/Evans nostaligic way of getting in someone "who knows the club" and sticking with them so long due to the Liverpool "next season" project.

Liverpool's best times in the past 30 years have been when they focused on getting in the best manager available, first with Benitez from Valencia, and then with Klopp. Liverpool's shittest times have been the nostalgic times and the Hodgson shit manager times.

But we've already tried that 'manager with awesome CV' approach with LVG and Mourinho. We're still in the same shit after 5 years. We have altered the club's approach to managers and it really hasn't worked.

 

[He'sRaldo]

Shit to average. I thought that as well of Mourinho's 1st season.

Will it have changed your mind about anything, be it Ole's competence, or our progress, or anything really?

Ole being able to lead the young lads to a Europa win would probably change a few views I have, as well as give him a good trophy on his CV.

 

[VP89]

This is utterly pathetic, and again a tired and simply annoying way of trying to divide the fanbase and make this place even more toxic than it has been the last few years. Doesn't it get dull?

Agree

 

[spiriticon]

If Ole gets sacked, whichever manager that comes in should not be offered more than a year's contract because it's fast becoming a joke.

If they do well, we renew for another year, if not we can sack them for a tippence at least.

 

[Valuedrug]

As a proud member of the “Ole in” brigade, I’m getting tired of seeing the same lazy criticisms of us/the manager gathering likes on the Caf and Twitter.

I wanted to address them all in one place, hopefully some fellow sensible supporters will be able to add their own arguments

1) “The love for Ole is all based on nostalgia and reverence for an ex-Red”

Not true. I’ve never seen a single argument from a pro-Ole supporter saying that he should remain in the job because he is an ex-player/club legend. This argument has been made up by the anti-Ole brigade, who have then proceeded to get angry at their own argument.

2) “Utd have made their worst start/worst away record/worst this/worse that”

Could. Not. Give. A. Monkeys. Anybody who expected any more from this season, with this squad and these players was always setting themselves up for a fall. Re-adjust your expectations based on reality.

3) “Ole is a failed Cardiff manager”

So what? People need to get over this idea that the success or failure of a club begins and ends with the manager.

4) “Jose Mourinho blah blah blah”

I liked Jose but with the benefit of hindsight, he had completely lost the plot in that 3rd season. Also, the man left over a year ago...let’s stop going on about it.

5) “We’re Man Utd, we should be doing X,Y....”

Means nothing. We’re currently an irrelevant club with mediocre players run by a clown and owned by shareholders looking to make a quick dollar. We’ve no divine right to win anything or sign any player because “we’re Man Utd”

6) “Ole is a poor Coach”

No evidence for this. People are obsessed with the idea of coaching but (most) of these players are 20+....you can’t make them play slicker, faster football just by “coaching”. Same way Pep can’t coach his philosophy to certain players, difference is City have been well-run for ten years so their squad needs minor tweaks every year not major surgery.

11 pages so far. You’re on a roll.

 

[passing-wind]

The post from the OP is pure nonsense. Much of the points about coaching point to a lack of footballing intelligence. Younger players are easier to coach than older ones because they have more of a capacity to be nurtured.

Under Solskjaer we have one of the worst managers in the league. We will finish in the bottom half of mid table.