Just watched 45 minutes of highlights from the Sinner and Alcaraz match. That has to be a contender for the greatest tennis match of all time. Some of Alcaraz' shot-making is just absurd, surely rivalling Nadal at the same age. Sinner, while less stylistically pleasing, was immense as well. It feels different with those two than all the other would-be next-gens, I've never seen that level of tennis from anyone not named Federer, Djokovic or Nadal.
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Just absolutely not! I think this is a clear exhibit of recency bias. The match was pretty high quality for 3 sets but the final two really weren't that great and had Sinner throwing away the match at multiple opportunities. As far as the Greatest matches of all time go, I've only watched tennis since around 2001 but just straight off the top of my head, without putting much thought into it, there are atleast 10 matches better than this.
Nadal Federer at the Wimbledon 2008 final, Nadal Djokovic in the AO 2012 final, Nadal Djokovic's semi final at RG in 2013, Nadal Djokovic's semifinal at Wimbledon, Federer vs Safin at AO 04/05, Rafter vs Ivanisivic at Wimbledon final (can't remember the year?), Nadal Verdasco AO 2009, Nadal Federer AO 2009, Nadal Djokovic's epic final at the Madrid Masters in 09 (I think), Nadal Federer AO 2017 (even though that did have a set or two that weren't the best level). There were also some special matches involving Del Potro, Nadal and Federer. If we actually look back and go through matches, I'm sure there will be plenty more that were a lot better than Sinner vs Carlos.
Ruud has the double break in the 4th set and that should be that.
Not to do with the us open but I managed to get an international ranking this week
No need to be a debbie downer. It was a belting match.... 2 non Slam winners battling it out even if showing their lack of experience/stamina at the end, with a bit of history too. It's just gotta be backed up. Depends what you're looking for I guess, but I'm sure a lot praising this are genuinely desperate for great matches and a rivalry from something other than the big 3 and well that generation in general.
In the space of about 4 months, they've built a better potential rivalry than any of Zverev/Danlil/Tsipitisas/Thiem and and the rest of that generation have in about 6-8 years, let's have this one.
In the space of about 4 months, they've built a better potential rivalry than any of Zverev/Danlil/Tsipitisas/Thiem and and the rest of that generation have in about 6-8 years, let's have this one.
And Ferrero as well.
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My response was primarily relating to it being a serious contender for one of the greatest matches of all time which, well, it really wasn't given what we've seen over the past two decades.
Nadal now officially cannot be the #1 with Ruud making the final.
While Ruud has gotten lucky that draws for him have opened up at RG and now the USO, you've got to credit him for taking his chances unlike a lot of others off late who have failed to capitalize on draws opening up.
While Ruud has gotten lucky that draws for him have opened up at RG and now the USO, you've got to credit him for taking his chances unlike a lot of others off late who have failed to capitalize on draws opening up.
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Sinner had his number all 2022, beat him in Wimbledon two months ago, had a match point in the 4th set yesterday and played on equal terms for 5hr+ in an instant 5-setter classic. You are not watching real tennis… but playing 2k tennis videogame in gods’ god mode, are you?
I wasn't talking about their match ups and H2H actually. I meant more in terms of overall package and, what I find more important than talent, is the mental strength where I think Carlos is the only newcomer who in the last half decade or so who doesn't seem to feel pressure. Sinner troubles Carlos in their match up but I think the latter will be the far superior player over the years.Sinner had his number all 2022, beat him in Wimbledon two months ago, had a match point in the 4th set yesterday and played on equal terms for 5hr+ in an instant 5-setter classic. You are not watching real tennis… but playing 2k tennis videogame in gods’ god mode, are you?
Also, speaking specifically about their H2H, I think they're tied at two apiece, aren't they? Plus, Sinner winning at Wimbledon wasn't really surprising. Carlos will need a couple of years to get used to the surface.
These commentators really do go overboard sometimes. Now they're talking about Carlos having the best movement they've ever seen in the sport 
Three games in and this is so much higher quality than the earlier match. Both of them are just super aggressive and take the ball so early. Watching Nadal be passive all week was so depressing in comparison.
Hey that’s awesome! Congrats
I've gone a bit off tennis since Federers absence. Who would you compare Alcaraz to? Is he attack minded or defensive?
He's got incredible defense (maybe not quite peak Rafa or Novak but still very good) but he's also very aggressive as you'll see today. Unlike Rafa and Novak, he likes to take the initiative a lot more but I also feel that may be something that goes against him as he looks to just hit flat out all the time. Also, a bit like Rafa, I think his lack of free points on serve may be a bit of a problem.
Congratulations. That's very impressive!
Definitely seems more my kind of player then. Hopefully we have a few great players this generation and with some variety too. The hype over this kid seems crazy though.
Wow that's amazing !
I feel the hype got a bit undeserved after his wins over Rafa and Novak at the Madrid Masters this year and he was actually a bigger bookies favorite at RG than the pair which seemed a bit crazy even given the two of them hadn't had a good clay season. His season has been pretty disappointing post Madrid though, until New York.
Tiafoe needs to do a lot better on second serves. He's struggling a bit there and unlike Rafa, Alcaraz is doing more damage on the second serve returns.
However, when it comes to the big points, somehow all three of Rublev, Nadal and Carlos have been so poor on second serves vs Foe. Tiafoe with a huge hold from 15-40 there.
Tiafoe's first serves have completely disappeared. It's a matter of time before Carlos breaks.
what a serveQuite incredible Tiafoe continues to hold with just how low his first serve percentage is dropping now.
I really want Tiafoe to win but I also don't want Ruud to be ranked 1, feck.
Tiafoe has chances here if he's a bit calm.
Alcaraz's serve seems weak. It doesn't matter that much in the modern game but still
Tiafoe may regret that game. The 0-15 point and the 30-30. He had his chances there.
Tiafoe hasn't hit a first serve in 3 games and he keeps holding. Very impressive.
Can’t remember the last time I saw a ground stroke in triple digits.
Won't be surprised if there was one vs Nadal. He was hitting similarly crazy forehands at times.
Wow poor return wide from Tiafoe on a set point. He really had to get that back in play.
This is really good tennis
Wowwww. How on earth did Carlos win that point. Tiafoe should have won that 3 times
damn Alcaraz
That serve again
Tiafoe won the first set against Nadal serving at 44%. He might win vs Carlos doing even lesser.
Carlos needs both these points.
Carlos needs both these points.
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