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The fight and dog in these two. Not to mention the incredible talent. That's why so many are confident in them as opposed to the likes of tsisipas
 
Three big break points. First one saved with an ace, second one taken. Sinner strikes first
 
Doracle said:
Also, how is the Sinner-Alcaraz match still going at this time? Was the night session delayed or do they just start particularly late?
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They just start ridiculously late. Usually a women's match at 7PM followed by a men's match. If the women's match lasts two hours and the men's match five you're looking at 2AM excluding warm-up etc.
 
Desert Eagle said:
The fight and dog in these two. Not to mention the incredible talent. That's why so many are confident in them as opposed to the likes of tsisipas
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There's a certain quality to these two that Tsitsipas doesn't have, they just feel like future grand slam winners.
 
Somehow, I don't think Sinner will make the most of this break either.
 
Sinner is still in his wanting to be liked phase. The crowd getting to him a bit. He needs to embrace being the villain like Novak.
 
As expected, Sinner can't consolidate. Let's be honest, the quality of tennis in these last two sets has been pretty poor.

I know every 5 setter gets called a classic but this has been average for the last hour and a half.
 
wr8_utd said:
As expected, Sinner can't consolidate. Let's be honest, the quality of tennis in these last two sets has been pretty poor.

I know every 5 setter gets called a classic but this has been average for the last hour and a half.
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I think your standards are way too high, these two are 19 and 21 y.o, the quality they are producing is incredible.
 
wr8_utd said:
As expected, Sinner can't consolidate. Let's be honest, the quality of tennis in these last two sets has been pretty poor.

I know every 5 setter gets called a classic but this has been average for the last hour and a half.
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More unforced errors for sure and the serving hasn't been great. Considering the circumstances it's incredible quality though. Great shot of the dalmatian yawning there
 
syrian_scholes said:
I think your standards are way too high, these two are 19 and 21 y.o, the quality they are producing is incredible.
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Not in the last 2 hours though, is it? It's been tired shots, nervy serving, and a lot of errors. I don't think these guys have as much in the tank to produce quality tennis deep in matches like Novak and Rafa did in their primes and youth. Of course, those are incredibly high standards but that's what we have to compare the Next Gen with.
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More unforced errors for sure and the serving hasn't been great. Considering the circumstances it's incredible quality though. Great shot of the dalmatian yawning there
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I found the first few sets, whatever I saw, a lot higher quality. Just feel a significant drop off since.
 
Tiafoe can win his SF. They both had 5 set R4 matches and this one is now 5 hours +
 
syrian_scholes said:
I think your standards are way too high, these two are 19 and 21 y.o, the quality they are producing is incredible.
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Yeah, these are two wonderkids yet still kids and this match is already epic by any standard, provided we do not want to compare it with some of the three gods’ GS finals, which are simply otherworldly. The real happy guy is Tiafoe, though… he will meet a drained wonderkid next.
 
wr8_utd said:
Not in the last 2 hours though, is it? It's been tired shots, nervy serving, and a lot of errors. I don't think these guys have as much in the tank to produce quality tennis deep in matches like Novak and Rafa did in their primes and youth. Of course, those are incredibly high standards but that's what we have to compare the Next Gen with.

I found the first few sets, whatever I saw, a lot higher quality. Just feel a significant drop off since.
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Nadal was a physical monster as a teenager, however Novak output was about the same as this.
 
Bepi said:
Yeah, these are two wonderkids yet still kids and this match is already epic by any standard, provided we do not want to compare it with some of the three gods’ GS finals, which are simply otherworldly. The real happy guy is Tiafoe, though… he will meet a drained wonderkid next.
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Unfortunately, those are the standards to live up to now for every generation of tennis players that follows. Most of us have now grown up watching Nadal, Novak and Federer and that's all we have to compare with.
 
This match is there for the taking for Carlos. Sinner playing very nervy tennis right now. He's not painting the lines like he was earlier.
 
And there you have it. Sinner has collapsed spectacularly in both the 4th and 5th sets.
 
wr8_utd said:
Unfortunately, those are the standards to live up to now for every generation of tennis players that follows. Most of us have now grown up watching Nadal, Novak and Federer and that's all we have to compare with.
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Of course not… once they are gone, nobody will get them as a direct comparison any more, like in any sport. They will get elevated in the Mount Rushmore of tennis and get request for punditry, if they like, like any other big figure of the past.
 
I do like Carlos' mental strength. It's why I thought he had the best chance vs Nick as he'd not get overwhelmed by the occasion.
 
And Carlos wins! Great stuff from him but Sinner will have nightmares about the 5-3 game in the 4th and those double faults.
 
syrian_scholes said:
Amazing match, hopefully this will be a years long rivalry.
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Lets hope so! We really need some Next Gen who can maintain a rivalry and don't fizzle out by 23. Hopefully Medvedev, who isn't quite young anymore, can also keep challenging these two and we atleast get some years of good tennis post Novak, Rafa and Federer retiring.
 
wr8_utd said:
Lets hope so! We really need some Next Gen who can maintain a rivalry and don't fizzle out by 23. Hopefully Medvedev, who isn't quite young anymore, can also keep challenging these two and we atleast get some years of good tennis post Novak, Rafa and Federer retiring.
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It won't be the same, at least not for our generation, but it will still be good.
 
syrian_scholes said:
It won't be the same, at least not for our generation, but it will still be good.
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I don't rate them but hopefully Zverev and Tsitsipas also regain some sort of form and we have them, Sinner, Carlos and Medvedev all fighting for Slams.
 
wr8_utd said:
He'd have one first round withdrawal in Australia, a second round exit in Wimbledon and two finals at RG and USO. It's a fantastic season for him and I'd be happy for him to be #1 but it's hard to argue he's been the best player this year. To be honest, no one has had an amazing year (if we consider consistency through the season).
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Norway has been as high as second place on the FIFA ranking, but no one would claim that Norway has ever been the second best national team in the world.

I don't know anything about tennis, but this sounds like standard ranking issues, depending on what you want the ranking to mean.
 
NotThatSoph said:
Norway has been as high as second place on the FIFA ranking, but no one would claim that Norway has ever been the second best national team in the world.

I don't know anything about tennis, but this sounds like standard ranking issues, depending on what you want the ranking to mean.
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I honestly don't take rankings very seriously especially as I'm not a big fan of the system prevalent in tennis where you defend points. But Ruud making it to #1 without winning any serious tournament ever will be a bit unprecedented.
 
wr8_utd said:
He'd have one first round withdrawal in Australia, a second round exit in Wimbledon and two finals at RG and USO. It's a fantastic season for him and I'd be happy for him to be #1 but it's hard to argue he's been the best player this year. To be honest, no one has had an amazing year (if we consider consistency through the season).
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It's been Nadal but no ranking points at Wimbledon and injuries have meant he's not played all that much. Ruud has been pretty consistent but not amazing most of the year, it would seem weird him being world no.1 but I'd say the same for Alcaraz who has won 2 masters 1000 tournaments but has hardly looked like no.1 material. Ruud just hasn't had any hype around him which makes it feel weird, despite him making the RG final, a couple of M1000 SFs and an M1000 final.
 
saivet said:
It's been Nadal but no ranking points at Wimbledon and injuries have meant he's not played all that much. Ruud has been pretty consistent but not amazing most of the year, it would seem weird him being world no.1 but I'd say the same for Alcaraz who has won 2 masters 1000 tournaments but has hardly looked like no.1 material. Ruud just hasn't had any hype around him which makes it feel weird, despite him making the RG final, a couple of M1000 SFs and an M1000 final.
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It's been a strange year. Federer been out entirely, Novak has missed 2 Slams and many Masters, Nadal has been injured a fair bit and missed most of the clay and hard court season, Zverev picking up an injury, Medvedev being banned/injured. I agree that neither Carlos nor Ruud have really looked or played like #1s this year. Carlos pretty much lost all momentum and form after the Madrid Masters and Ruud has been good at the ATP 250s, rubbish at the Masters and had good draws he's navigated at RG and the USO. Nadal's definitely been the best player this year but even he's not been dominant at all and below par by his standards. It's been a rather strange year.
 
What do we think of Sinner vs Alcaraz long term?

Alcaraz is a freak athlete, but Sinner's shot making is amazing. Alcaraz is 2 years younger though. Question is can he improve the way Nadal did back in his formative years
 
Skills said:
What do we think of Sinner vs Alcaraz long term?

Alcaraz is a freak athlete, but Sinner's shot making is amazing. Alcaraz is 2 years younger though. Question is can he improve the way Nadal did back in his formative years
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Unless Alcaraz improves his serve , I have Sinner edging it long term. We also don't know whose body will hold up better after 5-6 years. Should be at least 50 matches between them before its all said and done though. If we're lucky a few of those will be in grand slam finals.
 
Wouldn’t say there is much wrong with the rankings in isolation. If Ruud gets no. 1 it’s because he has been in two GS finals (won one if this one is against Carlos), one masters final and had success at the 250s this year. Only Nadal would’ve had a better year but you can't really have rankings solely favouring the slams. Would render the rest of the tour worthless. The rankings are what they are this year thanks to Novax being an idiot plus Wimbledon being holier than thou.

Ruud gets criticised for farming 250 points but I'd say he has had the perfect blueprint over the last 1.5 years. He wasn't up to much at the slams, partly because lower seeding meant tougher draws from the get go. He sacrificed an outside chance of an olympic medal so he could focus on winning some 250s. Got on a roll there, earned his place at the ATP finals and hasn't really looked back since. And now he's taking full advantage of being one of the top seeds (you can only beat what's in front of you, not his problem the other top seeds aren't delivering). Other young players should put their pride to the side and aim for the same trajectory (unless you are a natural superstar like Alcaraz).
 
Samid said:
Wouldn’t say there is much wrong with the rankings in isolation. If Ruud gets no. 1 it’s because he has been in two GS finals (won one if this one is against Carlos), one masters final and had success at the 250s this year. Only Nadal would’ve had a better year but you can't really have rankings solely favouring the slams. Would render the rest of the tour worthless. The rankings are what they are this year thanks to Novax being an idiot plus Wimbledon being holier than thou.

Ruud gets criticised for farming 250 points but I'd say he has had the perfect blueprint over the last 1.5 years. He wasn't up to much at the slams, partly because lower seeding meant tougher draws from the get go. He sacrificed an outside chance of an olympic medal so he could focus on winning some 250s. Got on a roll there, earned his place at the ATP finals and hasn't really looked back since. And now he's taking full advantage of being one of the top seeds (you can only beat what's in front of you, not his problem the other top seeds aren't delivering). Other young players should put their pride to the side and aim for the same trajectory (unless you are a natural superstar like Alcaraz).
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Yeah his trajectory should be an inspiration for most players. Never had the huge hype but has progressed his game over the years on both hard and clay courts and has been a consistent player with results to show. If he get to no.1 I doubt he will be there for long but being consistent if not amazing can take you a long way and I imagine he'll be the type of player who will at least take himself to the later rounds on a regular basis.
 
Skills said:
What do we think of Sinner vs Alcaraz long term?

Alcaraz is a freak athlete, but Sinner's shot making is amazing. Alcaraz is 2 years younger though. Question is can he improve the way Nadal did back in his formative years
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Ok, I’m letting my amateurish tennis coach experience speak here, forgive the boldness.

I would say that Alcaraz is two years younger but his game is fully adult and developed already, he just needs mileage and experience to develop crunch time management, like today. On the other hand, Sinner can still work on a number of facets, mainly his serve and conditioning, so his ceiling seems higher to me overall, he also has more shots variety.

And yes, Alcaraz is bound to become a mini Nadal, where Sinner seems on a path aimed at becoming a mini Djokovic, if his lanky body can bear that ironman shape. Unfortunately, there is no new Federer in sight: Musetti is the best young natural talent out there imho… still enough to try and win a Slam in his prime, maybe.
 
Skills said:
What do we think of Sinner vs Alcaraz long term?

Alcaraz is a freak athlete, but Sinner's shot making is amazing. Alcaraz is 2 years younger though. Question is can he improve the way Nadal did back in his formative years
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I think its a bit early to get ahead of ourselves with regards to how good these two may be. In the past 5-6 years we've seen a lot of players explode onto the scene, pick up a lot of hype and then not live up to those expectations. I think that Carlos has the mentality to be a big player in the long term but I don't quite see Sinner be a 5-10 time Champion.
 
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