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Why cant we argue that they won too when he wasnt at his peak?
Exactly.

Can you really argue when Federer lost to djokovic in recent finals, his game was as good as it has been this year? His forehand and especially backhand have been phenomenal. His baseline play has been absolutely spot on and even Nadal couldn't cope with it this year in their three meetings. This Federer is surely better than that one Djokovic beat?
 
Some staggering level of bitterness on here.

So Federer wins a Championship at the age of 35 without dropping a set and it's because the same competition - which ate up Djokovic, Nadal and Murray - is shite?

I think it's testament to Fed's greatness that people can only use this nonsense 'peak' argument against his. When he beats someone it's because they're not at their peak; yet Fed himself is assumed to be at his peak all the time.

He's clearly the greatest.
 
See this is what I meant by the precious Federer fanbase. I wanted Federer to lose just to see their melt-down but unfortunately, they have come out of their closet and its no coincidence that we have Federer's fans from countries like India who only support the legends/giants of the sports. :lol:

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That's such an arrogant and extreme statement to make. So Federer would have battered Nadal whom he just narrowly won against in 5 sets in the Australian Open and Djokovic whom he've lost the past 4 grand slam finals? Granted, Djokovic isn't the same player he was but before he retired against Berdych, he seemed to have find his self-belief back and he's blitzed past all his opponents 3 sets to nil. Let's not forget that Federer also pussied out of the French Open because he probably know he has no chance of winning it. :lol: at least Nadal is man enough to play on his weakest surface, respect to him. The fact that sunama said there's no debate 'yada yada Federer is the GOAT, best blah blah no one can touch him" is the point that I'm trying to make across. Perhaps glory-hunting isn't the right word but yes you get my drift. Birds of the same feather flock together I guess.



See this is what I meant by the precious Federer fanbase. I wanted Federer to lose just to see their melt-down but unfortunately, they have come out of their closet and its no coincidence that we have Federer's fans from countries like India who only support the legends/giants of the sports. :lol:

This isn't about point scoring vs the so called Federer fans here. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who believed Federer wasn't the greatest player ever coming into this year, and you certainly can't find any credible voices claiming he isn't after his display this year.
 
That's such an arrogant and extreme statement to make. So Federer would have battered Nadal whom he just narrowly won against in 5 sets in the Australian Open and Djokovic whom he've lost the past 4 grand slam finals? Granted, Djokovic isn't the same player he was but before he retired against Berdych, he seemed to have find his self-belief back and he's blitzed past all his opponents 3 sets to nil. Let's not forget that Federer also pussied out of the French Open because he probably know he has no chance of winning it. :lol: at least Nadal is man enough to play on his weakest surface, respect to him. The fact that sunama said there's no debate 'yada yada Federer is the GOAT, best blah blah no one can touch him" is the point that I'm trying to make across. Perhaps glory-hunting isn't the right word but yes you get my drift. Birds of the same feather flock together I guess.
Firslty, please stop posting like an infant as in this bolded bit.

Secondly, Djokovic of this year and Nadal of recent Wimbledon (see his record last few years, lost to Muller etc) would have fared badly against Federer on his favorite surface playing as he was this tournament.

Thirdly, noone is surprised you used the wrong word.
 
You can't say you want Federer to lose to see his fanbase meltdown and then be surprised when said fanbase give you some abuse after he wins.
 
See this is what I meant by the precious Federer fanbase. I wanted Federer to lose just to see their melt-down but unfortunately, they have come out of their closet and its no coincidence that we have Federer's fans from countries like India who only support the legends/giants of the sports. :lol:
Says the guy who supports Manchester United. Really small club. Nice hipster pick man.
 
See this is what I meant by the precious Federer fanbase. I wanted Federer to lose just to see their melt-down but unfortunately, they have come out of their closet and its no coincidence that we have Federer's fans from countries like India who only support the legends/giants of the sports. :lol:

Funny how insecure you are. You are like city and Liverpool fans who prefer to see united lose more than their team winning so that they can see some imaginary meltdown of their fans. Grow up buddy.

Also, there are many indians who support nadal and djockovic and even Murray. In addition, federer like other great sportsperson is respected all over the globe. I reside in Canada and people here support federer more than raonic . So for you they are also glory hunters. I as a federer fan really like djockovic and have immense respect for nadal, so am I also a glory hunter.

The problem doesn't lie with federer supporters or nadal supporters, it's with guys like you who are very insecure like how city and Liverpool fans are.
 
@MullerUtd For a supposedly successful man in life you clearly have some emotional issues.

I can't think of anything less productive or emotionally satisfying to do than what you are doing in this thread.
 
Shame about the match, but I am still elated. The greatest Comeback in tennis history continues
What I would say is that I don't think Federer has ever really gone away in terms of performances. 2013 aside, I think he's been pretty good actually, but he mainly came unstuck against a very good Djokovic, which is of no shame. The fact he's still playing at such a high level now is incredible though.

I'd probably consider Venus' comeback as a greater, even if she hasn't won the 2 slam finals she's been in as she was largely irrelevant froma tennis perspective for so long.
 
Muguruza is all sorts of lovely.
 
Firslty, please stop posting like an infant as in this bolded bit.

Secondly, Djokovic of this year and Nadal of recent Wimbledon (see his record last few years, lost to Muller etc) would have fared badly against Federer on his favorite surface playing as he was this tournament.

Thirdly, noone is surprised you used the wrong word.
Again, that's your assumption and its anyone's guess really. The fact speaks for itself. Federer has a losing H2H record against Nadal and Djokovic, and its no guarantee he would have beaten them in a grand slam final.


Says the guy who supports Manchester United. Really small club. Nice hipster pick man.
I'm a Mancunian, my mum and her family side are all from Manchester so I'm a Manchester lad through and through. Its my local club.
 
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@MullerUtd For a supposedly successful man in life you clearly have some emotional issues.

I can't think of anything less productive or emotionally satisfying to do than what you are doing in this thread.
Needs to lie down for a bit.

I have never understood the bitterness on Bluemoon. I fail to understand this one either. It cant be healthy.
 
What I would say is that I don't think Federer has ever really gone away in terms of performances. 2013 aside, I think he's been pretty good actually, but he mainly came unstuck against a very good Djokovic, which is of no shame. The fact he's still playing at such a high level now is incredible though.

I'd probably consider Venus' comeback as a greater, even if she hasn't won the 2 slam finals she's been in as she was largely irrelevant froma tennis perspective for so long.

The above bit I pretty much agree. Fed played well against Djokovic but Djokovic used to grind him down and make the rallies long. Fed couldn't cope fitness wise rather than talent wise.
 
See this is what I meant by the precious Federer fanbase. I wanted Federer to lose just to see their melt-down but unfortunately, they have come out of their closet and its no coincidence that we have Federer's fans from countries like India who only support the legends/giants of the sports. :lol:

Where are you from? Interesting to see a United fan accusing others of supporting a legend/giant of the sport.
 
If he's going to play one I imagine it'd be Shanghai, Paris isn't a great one for him although I guess the location is preferable. Personally expecting him to just play Cincinnati, USO, Basel and the Tour Finals, anything else would be a bonus.
Yeah, I can't see him playing multiple competitions before the USO. Federer also has a better record at Cincinnati than he does at the Canadian Open, plus he'd be a lot fresher only playing one of the warm-ups.
That's such an arrogant and extreme statement to make. So Federer would have battered Nadal whom he just narrowly won against in 5 sets in the Australian Open and Djokovic whom he've lost the past 4 grand slam finals? Granted, Djokovic isn't the same player he was but before he retired against Berdych, he seemed to have find his self-belief back and he's blitzed past all his opponents 3 sets to nil.
Federer has played Nadal twice since the AO Final and Fed straight-setted him easily in both matches. Federer's much-improved backhand has very much changes the dynamic of their match-up in his favour.

Just because Federer has lost to Djokovic in their last four GS finals does not necessarily mean that the same would have happened had they played in Wimbledon. Djokovic is playing significantly worse than he was back in 2015 and a return to form for him is by no means guaranteed.

You said that Djokovic blitzed by all of his opponents en route to the Wimbledon QFs. It was pretty much the same for him at Roland Garros (Bar his match against Schwartzmann) until the QF where he got blown away by Thiem.
 
Unfortunately an awful final but Federer cementing his place as the best. Would love to see Nadal vs Federer at a grand slam one more time.
 
The above bit I pretty much agree. Fed played well against Djokovic but Djokovic used to grind him down and make the rallies long. Fed couldn't cope fitness wise rather than talent wise.
Agreed, though I'm not sure how much I'd put it on fitness as I think we sometimes play down Federer's fitness because of his style and the way he composes himself.
 
Again, that's your assumption and its anyone's guess really. The fact speaks for itself. Federer has a losing H2H record against Nadal and Djokovic, and its no guarantee he would have beaten them in a grand slam final.



I'm a Mancunian, my mum and her family side are all from Manchester so I'm a Manchester lad through and through. Its my local club.

History doesn't care about head to head records. It remembers slams and who won them.
 
Agreed, though I'm not sure how much I'd put it on fitness as I think we sometimes play down Federer's fitness because of his style and the way he composes himself.
I think it was a combination of both fitness and mentality. There were many times he'd be up a set and the Djoker just prolonged the points as best he can which put Fed on a timer. He knew Novak's level wouldnt drop while his would so started rushing it and made mistakes, which compounded the problem.

In a 3 set format he is much more comfortable, knowing this can't go long, hence the victories in Masters.
 
History doesn't care about head to head records. It remembers slams and who won them.
It doesn't but usually the debates are either in team sports or in comparison to individuals in different eras. Ultimately titles is what we look at, but in this case, not sure you can simply dismiss them.
 
I think it was a combination of both fitness and mentality. There were many times he'd be up a set and the Djoker just prolonged the points as best he can which put Fed on a timer. He knew Novak's level wouldnt drop while his would so started rushing it and made mistakes, which compounded the problem.

In a 3 set format he is much more comfortable, knowing this can't go long, hence the victories in Masters.
Yeah more a mental thing to me, with Djoko's relentlessness and tactics coming out on top.
 
I'm a self-employed software engineer and I run an independent agency with a decent clientele in 4 countries, and my hourly rate is $150/hr. If a client engages my services for the whole day, I charge them $600.


I actually know a lot of Federer fans in real life and they are loathsome! Basically like the glory-hunters version of football fans.


See my last post.


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If making 3,600 euros of a 1,200 euro bet @3 is called stupid, then I guess joke's on you!



Thanks mate! Although now I've regretted putting on Djokovic. :lol:
Nice! I meant whoever did the Fed getting an ace every service game was crazy. Must've been someone else who took that.
 
This isn't about point scoring vs the so called Federer fans here. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who believed Federer wasn't the greatest player ever coming into this year, and you certainly can't find any credible voices claiming he isn't after his display this year.
I'm not trying to score points against the so called Federer fans here nor am I downplaying Federer's achievement this year. I just have an issue with their fans belittling Djokovic and saying Federer would have thrashed him even if they were to meet. My outright bets usually never go wrong and I don't place bets on them unless I have done my homework on it and I have a high level of confidence. In fact, I've placed a significant amount of money on Roger Federer to win Wimbledon and I've said it before/during the first round of Wimbledon that he is on a mission this year to win it and he would win it. The only players who could realistically stop him are Nadal and Djokovic, he won it without facing them so really its anyone's guess if he could really win it if he were to meet them.

Funny how insecure you are. You are like city and Liverpool fans who prefer to see united lose more than their team winning so that they can see some imaginary meltdown of their fans. Grow up buddy.

Also, there are many indians who support nadal and djockovic and even Murray. In addition, federer like other great sportsperson is respected all over the globe. I reside in Canada and people here support federer more than raonic . So for you they are also glory hunters. I as a federer fan really like djockovic and have immense respect for nadal, so am I also a glory hunter.

The problem doesn't lie with federer supporters or nadal supporters, it's with guys like you who are very insecure like how city and Liverpool fans are.
This statement doesn't make sense at all. I said I prefer to lose my money than to see Federer win because I had a bet on Federer and if he wins, it softens the pain if this makes sense. I'm a Utd and Djokovic fan and I'd always want them to win no matter the circumstances. I'm not insecure or bitter about Federer. In fact, congrats to Federer and his fans, I just have an issue with Federer fans belittling Djokovic and even Nadal, coming out with statements from the Federer fans saying there is no debate, he's the GOAT or he would thrash Djokovic or Nadal which is a bold statement to say considering he has a losing H2H record against them.

@MullerUtd For a supposedly successful man in life you clearly have some emotional issues.

I can't think of anything less productive or emotionally satisfying to do than what you are doing in this thread.
You called me out for being a terrible gambler and then went on to say that it was banter at the end, well it's not like I can detect your tongue-in-cheek comment over the keyboards. Perhaps I don't have a sense of humour.

Needs to lie down for a bit.

I have never understood the bitterness on Bluemoon. I fail to understand this one either. It cant be healthy.
Probably so mate, you're right. I need to go lie down for a bit as I haven't slept for two days as I need to rush out a website for a client tomorrow. Cheers.
 
Nice! I meant whoever did the Fed getting an ace every service game was crazy. Must've been someone else who took that.
That was me :lol: was less than £2 I put on.

Bagged just over £50 as I put a tenner on Fed to win it a few months ago, so no complaints
 
In a 3 set format he is much more comfortable, knowing this can't go long, hence the victories in Masters.

Djoko and Fed rarely played very long matches, though, and very few of them went to 5. set. Federer played couple of five setters in a row in the last AO, against Waw and Nishikori and then against Nadal in the final. against DJokovic, when he was even younger, he was losing in 4 sets most of the times.
 
Djoko and Fed rarely played very long matches, though, and very few of them went to 5. set. Federer played couple of five setters in a row in the last AO, against Waw and Nishikori and Nadal. against DJokovic, when he was even younger, he was losing in 4 sets most of the times.
No they didn't, but it was the threat of having to go to 5 which made him edgy and more prone to errors.

I usually think of the turning point in their match up as USO semi 2010 when it went to 5, Fed went 3 match points up in the 5th only to lose the match. Despite the victories next 2 years at RG and Wimbledon, you can clearly see the apprehension in his game when facing Djokovic after that match.
 
Nice! I meant whoever did the Fed getting an ace every service game was crazy. Must've been someone else who took that.
Thanks mate, yeah that was saviet and I'm sure he meant to lose it anyway. Not sure if anyone got it but Bet365 offered me a free €50 prematch bet for the Wimbledon final and they would refund your stake up to the same amount during in-play. Shame I missed it. :mad:
 
Thanks mate, yeah that was saviet and I'm sure he meant to lose it anyway. Not sure if anyone got it but Bet365 offered me a free €50 prematch bet for the Wimbledon final and they would refund your stake up to the same amount during in-play. Shame I missed it. :mad:
You can't be too pissed- it's been a pretty good day.
 
Lot of respect for MullerUtd to be fair, at least he's open about his bets PRIOR to them happening. Half the people who blag on about their wins never show their bets, so I doubt a lot of them.
Thanks Zen, appreciate that. :)
I hope I don't come across as boastful by sharing my bets which is not my intention, that's why I tend to share my bets prior to the match results but it seems like it has ruffled a few feathers here so perhaps I should try to be subtle about it or just post them in the betting thread. Also, for once, I have won a pending outright bet so I guess Federer breaks the curse for me as I usually lost pending bets I post here. :lol:
 
I'm not trying to score points against the so called Federer fans here nor am I downplaying Federer's achievement this year. I just have an issue with their fans belittling Djokovic and saying Federer would have thrashed him even if they were to meet. My outright bets usually never go wrong and I don't place bets on them unless I have done my homework on it and I have a high level of confidence. In fact, I've placed a significant amount of money on Roger Federer to win Wimbledon and I've said it before/during the first round of Wimbledon that he is on a mission this year to win it and he would win it. The only players who could realistically stop him are Nadal and Djokovic, he won it without facing them so really its anyone's guess if he could really win it if he were to meet them.


This statement doesn't make sense at all. I said I prefer to lose my money than to see Federer win because I had a bet on Federer and if he wins, it softens the pain if this makes sense. I'm a Utd and Djokovic fan and I'd always want them to win no matter the circumstances. I'm not insecure or bitter about Federer. In fact, congrats to Federer and his fans, I just have an issue with Federer fans belittling Djokovic and even Nadal, coming out with statements from the Federer fans saying there is no debate, he's the GOAT or he would thrash Djokovic or Nadal which is a bold statement to say considering he has a losing H2H record against them.


You called me out for being a terrible gambler and then went on to say that it was banter at the end, well it's not like I can detect your tongue-in-cheek comment over the keyboards. Perhaps I don't have a sense of humour.


Probably so mate, you're right. I need to go lie down for a bit as I haven't slept for two days as I need to rush out a website for a client tomorrow. Cheers.
I just never understand this kind of bitterness.


As a United fan you should understand this better than anyone. Remember the time we won trophy after trophy and all the opposition fans did was to give reasons after reasons why we were winning (FA corruption, referrees, etc).This is no different.

Not all Roger Federer fans belittle his rivals. I appreciate Nadal and Djokovic and actually see them competitng in the same era as a positive for all of them.They have driven each other to new heights and the sport to greater heights too.
 
I guess a lot of us agree that a lot of posts by @MullerUtd in this thread are highly debatable. His profile says he's 24years old and in a few of his posts, he's said he makes a lot of money. Putting two and two together, I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt and ignore the troll.
 
Congratulations Fed fans on here. Unsurprising but well deserved title. Was never really in any doubt at all.
 
I guess a lot of us agree that a lot of posts by @MullerUtd in this thread are highly debatable. His profile says he's 24years old and in a few of his posts, he's said he makes a lot of money. Putting two and two together, I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt and ignore the troll.
I didn't say I make a lot of money, I said I make 600 in a day if a client engages my service for the full day and my hourly rate is $150/hour. If you think that's a lot, you have yet to see the ones from the Silicon Valley.
I'm not sure what's so debatable or troll about this considering the average software engineer in the market charges $80 to $100 per hour. I've been programming since the age of 8 and I've turned down offers from Google and Facebook before so it's safe to say that I have a certain caliber of skill to be the best at what I do. Also the fact that you think a 24 year old cannot make this amount of money shows your ignorance.
 
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Yea, I phrased the bolded part badly.

Your other point, though, is the point I am making. Nadal and Djokovic would've been battered but they've gone off. When they were at their best, they had Federer's number. Federer's slam win rate has a disproportionate swing either side of their peak.

I am not bitter about it like some on here are claiming. I don't watch tennis with any regularity except the slams and do not support any player.
I sort of agree with the fact that he has a lot of wins against poor opposition but years down the line, people won't really look at his opponents, just his Slam count.
You can't deny the fact that Federer barely won anything in the last 5-7 years because he had either in form Rafa or Djoko to deal with and now that Djoko has forgotten how to play, he's winning again. But again, that's not in Federer's control and he's doing what he's got to do. Even Nadal won RG without really having to play any of Djoko, Fed or Murray.
I'll maintain though that this golden season for Rafa and Roger would absolutely not happen if Murray and Djoko hadn't fallen off a cliff this season.
 
This isn't about point scoring vs the so called Federer fans here. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who believed Federer wasn't the greatest player ever coming into this year, and you certainly can't find any credible voices claiming he isn't after his display this year.
I think the Federer fans on here are perfectly fine but he's absolutely right about the bunch of glory hunting fans Fed has. It's how United was when we were successful or how Chelsea picked up their fans here in India. You have so many Federer "fans" who have been nowhere and not even bothered watching matches over the last few years but have suddenly magically reappeared this year. I mean these guys won't be arsed watching any ATP titles, any early Slam matches but just turn up when he makes it to the second week and go all "RF for life". He's extreme in his views but Federer does have the biggest bunch of glory hunters just like United.
 
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