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I don't think Muller played any better than Mischa and Fed quite comfortably beat the latter, albeit with a slight hiccup. It's just a case of Nadal refusing to step out of his comfort zone and get punished for it, as has been the case in recent years. You cant stay two meters from baseline all day and expect to go far in this tournament, slow as it might be nowadays.
Sometimes it's just those fine margins. In the first two sets, Nadal had break points in the games before he got broken. Take those and and a different match.

Also just a match up thing on grass. The last time they played, Rafa won in straight set in 2011, but the first 2 sets he won via tiebreaks. Listened to a podcast and they were saying how they remember speaking to Toni Nadal and basically saying how that was a match up that he just really struggled with, and that was in the year he last made the final.
 
Sometimes it's just those fine margins. In the first two sets, Nadal had break points in the games before he got broken. Take those and and a different match.

Also just a match up thing on grass. The last time they played, Rafa won in straight set in 2011, but the first 2 sets he won via tiebreaks. Listened to a podcast and they were saying how they remember speaking to Toni Nadal and basically saying how that was a match up that he just really struggled with, and that was in the year he last made the final.

Well, tennis is about fine margins. And it's no secret he struggles against big servers on grass, that's why he needs to adjust. He's no longer in that physical peak when he can return from the baseline all day everyday anything thrown at him while still have the energy to rush to the net in an instant to save a slice consistently. Step up, be that bit more aggressive on Muller's 2nd serve, limit his net approaches, make him doubt himself. We saw this coming but I find it quite underwhelming that after a horrendous run on grass since he last made the final, Nadal has made little to no improvement on his grass game, when the field isn't that strong.

Alas, Fed skipped RG altogether, so there's that. But still...
 
Well, tennis is about fine margins. And it's no secret he struggles against big servers on grass, that's why he needs to adjust. He's no longer in that physical peak when he can return from the baseline all day everyday anything thrown at him while still have the energy to rush to the net in an instant to save a slice consistently. Step up, be that bit more aggressive on Muller's 2nd serve, limit his net approaches, make him doubt himself. We saw this coming but I find it quite underwhelming that after a horrendous run on grass since he last made the final, Nadal has made little to no improvement on his grass game, when the field isn't that strong.

Alas, Fed skipped RG altogether, so there's that. But still...
He's definitely made changes this year, it just wasn't enough. He should have returned yesterday, but you have to give credit to Muller as he served very well and is in good form, as he showed at Queens.

I thought he would just about get through this one given how he played in the earlier rounds, but Cilic would have beaten him in the QF. In the grand scheme of things though, I don't think he played badly today and given his recent record on grass and the fact that this was his first grass tournament in 2 years, it's far from a disaster like 2012 and 2013 were.
 
Well, tennis is about fine margins. And it's no secret he struggles against big servers on grass, that's why he needs to adjust. He's no longer in that physical peak when he can return from the baseline all day everyday anything thrown at him while still have the energy to rush to the net in an instant to save a slice consistently. Step up, be that bit more aggressive on Muller's 2nd serve, limit his net approaches, make him doubt himself. We saw this coming but I find it quite underwhelming that after a horrendous run on grass since he last made the final, Nadal has made little to no improvement on his grass game, when the field isn't that strong.

Alas, Fed skipped RG altogether, so there's that. But still...

Nadal isn't ever going to make a SF/Final at Wimbledon again unless he manages to get a draw which avoids all the big servers there are and that's very unlikely. He was great on grass for 5 year but he just can't do it there anymore. All it takes is some random player to make a lot of good big serves and he's going to struggle. I'm not going to complain since he's won here twice already and usually comes into the tournament exhausted after winning almost all of the clay season.

He's definitely made changes this year, it just wasn't enough. He should have returned yesterday, but you have to give credit to Muller as he served very well and is in good form, as he showed at Queens.

I thought he would just about get through this one given how he played in the earlier rounds, but Cilic would have beaten him in the QF. In the grand scheme of things though, I don't think he played badly today and given his recent record on grass and the fact that this was his first grass tournament in 2 years, it's far from a disaster like 2012 and 2013 were.

Muller was always going to be a big big danger for him and we were rightly worried about it. Also like you said, even if he'd made it through here, he didn't stand much chance vs Cilic anyway. Murray is someone he'd actually have a better chance against than the likes of Muller and Cilic tbh. Anyway, I'm happy with his Wimbledon. I wasn't really expecting a second week performance so it's pretty good for him.
 
Calling Muller a servebot is ridiculous based on yesterday's performance. He was returning really well and groundstroke wise engaging in some fantastic rallies with Nadal and outperforming him in many too.

Raonic was excellent against Zverev too. We should appreciate the different styles of play as that highlights the fact each surface is difficult, poses its own unique set of challenges and is biased towards certain styles of play. It's what makes grand slam or generally holding many titles on different surfaces so impressive.

Yesterday proved even a fully fit Rafa clearly has a weak spot on grass. Undeniable. Saddened me to see it as I'm a huge fan, but as of right now Roger is definitely ahead of him comfortably on all time ladder and there can be no excuses there. Roger on clay would rarely lose to no hopers whereas Nadal can lose to any powerful server whose is really on form.

Who does everyone want to win and who do they think will win at the halfway stage?
 
Yesterday proved even a fully fit Rafa clearly has a weak spot on grass. Undeniable. Saddened me to see it as I'm a huge fan, but as of right now Roger is definitely ahead of him comfortably on all time ladder and there can be no excuses there. Roger on clay would rarely lose to no hopers whereas Nadal can lose to any powerful server whose is really on form.
It's a weird one with him, isn't it? Completely hopeless on grass for the first couple of years of his career, then he adapted his game and became the king of Wimbledon for a few years. Then not a single QF appearance since reaching the final in 2011. Quite an unusual trajectory.

Who does everyone want to win and who do they think will win at the halfway stage?

I'm always rooting for Federer, especially at Wimbledon where I think he deserves one last(?) bow. Still see him as the favourite too. He's had an easy ride and had time to enjoy himself as well as showing the strength to lift his game when needed (like yesterday when he broke back Dimitrov's serve immediately in the third set). He'll be feeling fresh and confident going into the last three matches and I don't see Raonic causing him too much trouble this year.

I think there are four players (assuming Djokovic wins today) who stand no chance of winning, Querrey, Müller, Raonic and Berdych. Murray has looked slightly shaky so far and Djoko is yet to be tested. His recent form means I make Federer favourite in an eventual semi so I'm leaning towards a Federer-Cilic final at the moment.
 
It's a weird one with him, isn't it? Completely hopeless on grass for the first couple of years of his career, then he adapted his game and became the king of Wimbledon for a few years. Then not a single QF appearance since reaching the final in 2011. Quite an unusual trajectory.

I'm always rooting for Federer, especially at Wimbledon where I think he deserves one last(?) bow. Still see him as the favourite too. He's had an easy ride and had time to enjoy himself as well as showing the strength to lift his game when needed (like yesterday when he broke back Dimitrov's serve immediately in the third set). He'll be feeling fresh and confident going into the last three matches and I don't see Raonic causing him too much trouble this year.

I think there are four players (assuming Djokovic wins today) who stand no chance of winning, Querrey, Müller, Raonic and Berdych. Murray has looked slightly shaky so far and Djoko is yet to be tested. His recent form means I make Federer favourite in an eventual semi so I'm leaning towards a Federer-Cilic final at the moment.

Indeed a strange one, but if I was to try and analyse it.. my answer would be that the following factors may have had an impact:

First a quick recap of Nadal from 2006-2011.

2006

Avoided big servers throughout this run, faced the likes of Agassi and Baghdatis.

2007

Big servers like Soderling and grass courter like Youzhny took him to the brink and he had to fight his way through 5 setters, before meeting more familiar guys like Berdych/Djokovic, who he was able to swat away with ease.

2008

Faced no big servers this campaign, and this time destroyed Youzhny. But overall up to 2008, hasn't really had to face a real grass court serving heavyweight outside of Federer who has a more all-court style.

2009 - Inured

2010

Philipp Petzschner takes him to 5 sets, another fast serving, hard hitting player. Nadal edges him out but outside of him, drops a set to Soderling but other than that is comfortable.

2011

Played likes of Mardy Fish, Del Potro, Muller and done really well.

Now one explanation is that the courts had slowed down from the 90's/early 00's and this favoured Nadal, and that the criticism Wimbledon got because of this led to them slightly quickening the courts in recent years to Nadal's detriment.

There is also the factor that even though Nadal was fit this year, he still isn't as mobile as peak Rafa from 2006-2008 period where his all-time great movement around the court, allowed him to retrieve balls which he shouldn't whereas now, he can't have the same impact when the game gets too fast for him on grass, finds it harder to get in the right position to hit difficult passing shots.

Finally the injuries, might have affected his confidence and whereas when younger, he might have fought through the Muller match yesterday, the now battle-worn Nadal, has too many mental frailties to convert these tough five setters which he did face in his prime in Wimbledon and won, but these days - it gets too much for him and he ends up crumbling a little.

For me injuries played a big part in Nadal failing to make an impact from 2012-2016. Whereas yesterday for me was just a very fit Nadal, struggling with the pace of the surface, mentally not quite as strong as he would be on clay and failing to win the clutch points enough. If he had beat Muller, I'd have fancied to beat anyone else including Federer in all honesty but that style of opponent in Muller, on a fast surface is a big weakness for him in recent years and even when fit, was too much for him to confront and edge out.
 
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Indeed a strange one, but if I was to try and analyse it.. my answer would be that the following factors may have had an impact:

First a quick recap of Nadal from 2006-2011.

2006

Avoided big servers throughout this run, faced the likes of Agassi and Baghdatis.

2007

Big servers like Soderling and grass courter like Youzhny took him to the brink and he had to fight his way through 5 setters, before meeting more familiar guys like Berdych/Djokovic, who he was able to swat away with ease.

2008

Faced no big servers this campaign, and this time destroyed Youzhny. But overall up to 2008, hasn't really had to face a real grass court serving heavyweight outside of Federer who has a more all-court style.

2009 - Inured

2010

Philipp Petzschner takes him to 5 sets, another fast serving, hard hitting player. Nadal edges him out but outside of him, drops a set to Soderling but other than that is comfortable.

2011

Played likes of Mardy Fish, Del Potro, Muller and done really well.

Now one explanation is that the courts had slowed down from the 90's/early 00's and this favoured Nadal, and that the criticism Wimbledon got because of this led to them slightly quickening the courts in recent years to Nadal's detriment.

There is also the factor that even though Nadal was fit this year, he still isn't as mobile as peak Rafa from 2006-2008 period where his all-time great movement around the court, allowed him to retrieve balls which he shouldn't whereas now, he can't have the same impact when the game gets too fast for him on grass, finds it harder to get in the right position to hit difficult passing shots.

Finally the injuries, might have affected his confidence and whereas when younger, he might have fought through the Muller match yesterday, the now battle-worn Nadal, has too many mental frailties to convert these tough five setters which he did face in his prime in Wimbledon and won, but these days - it gets too much for him and he ends up crumbling a little.

For me injuries played a big part in Nadal failing to make an impact from 2012-2016. Whereas yesterday for me was just a very fit Nadal, struggling with the pace of the surface, mentally not quite as strong as he would be on clay and failing to win the clutch points enough. If he had beat Muller, I'd have fancied to beat anyone else including Federer in all honesty but that style of opponent in Muller, on a fast surface is a big weakness for him in recent years and even when fit, was too much for him to confront and edge out.
As your research show he's always hopelessly struggled against big hitting and big serving players on grass. The only way I see him being successful again here is if he somehow manages to avoid all big hitters for 7 rounds and that's rather unlikely to happen. I'm just glad he managed to bring in 2 titles here before he just collapsed on this surface. Nadal will be fine against these guys on the hard courts but he just stands no chance against these guys having the one perfect match of their lives here. Kudos to Muller, he did a great job but Nadal will lose to this sort of player even next year at Wimbledon.

Also, you're not going to win if you're going to be something like 2/16 on break points against a guy serving this well.
 
I want Djoko or Murray to win the title, but if I wasn't British.. I'd go Nole. He has had so much stick and intrusion into his prvate life, would love to see him stick two fingers to the critics and further cement his legacy.
 
As your research show he's always hopelessly struggled against big hitting and big serving players on grass. The only way I see him being successful again here is if he somehow manages to avoid all big hitters for 7 rounds and that's rather unlikely to happen. I'm just glad he managed to bring in 2 titles here before he just collapsed on this surface. Nadal will be fine against these guys on the hard courts but he just stands no chance against these guys having the one perfect match of their lives here. Kudos to Muller, he did a great job but Nadal will lose to this sort of player even next year at Wimbledon.

Also, you're not going to win if you're going to be something like 2/16 on break points against a guy serving this well.

He has struggled with big hitters everywhere not just on grass. He lost to Pouille, Verdasco, Fognini at the AO/USO recently so it's not only big hitters recently.
 
He has struggled with big hitters everywhere not just on grass. He lost to Pouille, Verdasco, Fognini at the AO/USO recently so it's not only big hitters recently.
He was awful last year so I'm not really going to count that. He was still recovering from injury and took a good long while to get going. His losses on grasses against these players have come even when he was having great seasons.
 
Good to see Djoker roaring like a gorilla. At least he still cares about his career, good to see his passion back.
 
More criticism from Toni Nadal about Wimbledon favouring Murray and Federer.

"Wimbledon wants to be the best tournament but sometimes does small tournament things, favoring more of the account according to which players." In Roland Garros Nadal is almost always favorite but he does not always play in the central court. It, "said the coach.

https://tenis.as.com/tenis/2017/07/11/wimbledon/1499754661_236182.html

PS: favouring, is that the right verb in English?
 
More criticism from Toni Nadal about Wimbledon favouring Murray and Federer.

"Wimbledon wants to be the best tournament but sometimes does small tournament things, favoring more of the account according to which players." In Roland Garros Nadal is almost always favorite but he does not always play in the central court. It, "said the coach.

https://tenis.as.com/tenis/2017/07/11/wimbledon/1499754661_236182.html

PS: favouring, is that the right verb in English?
Hand on heart, can you tell me between Federer vs Dimitrov and Nadal vs Muller, which is the more attractive match on paper?

This 'favouring' talk is just small time.
 
Hand on heart, can you tell me between Federer vs Dimitrov and Nadal vs Muller, which is the more attractive match on paper?

This 'favouring' talk is just small time.

The idea that it would change the results is silly and talking about it following defeats does come across as small time and as being sore loser but it is wrong that Federer and Murray are always on Centre Court. I agree about Federer's match yesterday but it should have been worked out so that he was on Court 1 at least once last week and there's no reason why Murray couldn't have been on 1 yesterday. The fact only 2 women's matches were on the show courts is also poor.
 
The idea that it would change the results is silly and talking about it following defeats does come across as small time and as being sore loser but it is wrong that Federer and Murray are always on Centre Court. I agree about Federer's match yesterday but it should have been worked out so that he was on Court 1 at least once last week and there's no reason why Murray couldn't have been on 1 yesterday. The fact only 2 women's matches were on the show courts is also poor.
If I'm not mistaken, aren't you obliged to play on court 1 at least once?

You look at Fed's draw and it's not hard to see why he'd stay on Centre Court. Dolgopolov was on paper the toughest of R1 for minnows against Big 4, R2 is probably where it could have been done, R3 against Mischa Zverev who is no mug and made it to quarter of the AO, R4 against Dimitrov.

Murray, on the other hand, yes. But how can you bump him off? He's the home boy.
 
Who's she playing in the SF?

I'd love it if she won it. Backing her over Konta now.

Konta or Halep. I don't particularly like Konta although I'm not sure why as her game is pretty good. It might be her service motion where she takes what feels like an hour to serve.
 
Australia's Jo Konta is doing really well.
She's switched her nationality to British. Showing great mental strength, coming down from 0-3 to tie 4-4 in the first set.

Straight-forward win for my man Nole today, 6-2, 7-6, 6-4. On to the quarters, Berdych would be a much bigger test than the dross he's played so far. Let's see how he performs tomorrow.
 
I think the world Nr.2 - who just competed in the quarterfinal of the last slam - winning a slam falls a bit short of "fairytale comeback"
Novak is ranked World no 4, not 2. The fact that he's dropped from World #1 to #4 after winning the French Open just a year ago shows how far he has fallen. Prior to his decline, he was a machine, the most consistent player in ATP. From 2011 to 2013, he's made it to the semis in every grand slam and reached the final 9/12 times. From 2014 to 2016 before he mysteriously lost his magic after he won the French Open last year, he made it to the semis on all grand slams except his quarter-final loss in 2014 AO, won 3/4 grand slams in 2015 and lost the final to Wawrinka in FO in 2015 before finally winning it the following year to complete his CGS. So if he does win this year's Wimbledon, it would be a great comeback for him considering he hasn't won a slam in over a year which is terrible going by his standard, due to the ridiculously high bar he set for himself.
 
To be fair it's difficult to argue with anything in that article, which is very well researched in terms of its numbers. Centre and #1 Court are both 'show courts' with big capacities and I think Wimbledon like to take the easy way out by keep putting the British player on Centre.

Murray and Federer deserve to be on Centre Court with one being the defending champion and the latter being the greatest Grass courter ever. Not sure what Konta is doing on centre court for every round though, when the likes of Nadal and Djokovic were pushed to the outside courts.

There is a strong argument for bias.
 
Murray and Federer deserve to be on Centre Court with one being the defending champion and the latter being the greatest Grass courter ever. Not sure what Konta is doing on centre court for every round though, when the likes of Nadal and Djokovic were pushed to the outside courts.

There is a strong argument for bias.

So let's say Federer wins this year and next year he has 2 reasons to be on Centre - defending champion and best ever. Djokovic has 3 Wimbo's to Murray's 2. So in theory then Murray should have to play on #1 Court for the whole tournament? I can understand defending champion opening on Centre but there should be flexibility to shift him elsewhere later in the tournament.
 
So let's say Federer wins this year and next year he has 2 reasons to be on Centre - defending champion and best ever. Djokovic has 3 Wimbo's to Murray's 2. So in theory then Murray should have to play on #1 Court for the whole tournament? I can understand defending champion opening on Centre but there should be flexibility to shift him elsewhere later in the tournament.

I have no problems with former champions being on the main court. Konta was playing on the main court at the same time Djokovic was playing on the no.1 court in round 3 (just from memory).
 
Wimbledon’s Disrespect for Djokovic and Nadal in Court Selection is Appalling

http://lastwordontennis.com/2017/07/09/wimbledons-disrespect-djokovic-nadal-appalling/
Rubbish article. Federer is the best grass court player ever and 7 times Wimbey champion. Whether some like it or not he's also the most watched player and sells out wherever he goes. He has that center court guaranteed in the same sense Sampras had it before.

Murray is at home and also #1 and defending champion. Nadal hasn't made it past the QF's since 5-6 years, whilst Djokovic is in poor form this year and #6 in the singles race...
 
I have no problems with former champions being on the main court. Konta was playing on the main court at the same time Djokovic was playing on the no.1 court in round 3 (just from memory).
They have to divide the playing time between men and women and give all same matches during the tournament on center stage. Gender equality and all that crap.
 
They have to divide the playing time between men and women and give all same matches during the tournament on center stage. Gender equality and all that crap.
What's the issue?

And they don't even split it even evenly between the mens and women's.
 
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